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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

King of Otters

Well-Known Member
Jun 11, 2012
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36,093
Can anyone say there are any signs of progress at all 5 months into this not so noble experiment?

I honestly think we’ve got worse the longer he’s been here. While injuries haven’t helped, neither has the sit deep, ultra conservative style of play he seems to be trying to implement, which completely isolates the few attackers we have on the pitch.

The longer this continues without signs of life, the more legitimacy is given to the questions over whether Jose really is finished at this level, something many were asking before we even appointed him.
 

fedupyid

Well-Known Member
Dec 2, 2004
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906
I blame Levy and Enic. They decided to go two windows without signing players. Levy always goes down the list to third or fourth choice to sign players (Lo Celso and NDombele excluded).

Then they go and appoint a manager who is so negative it is unbelievable. I still think in the long run Poch would have been able to turn it around and he would of been ruthless enough to sell the players that needed to be sold.

Mourinho is a dead duck manager, he may well go on to do something somewhere else but he was the wrong man for the wrong job.
 

tototoner

Staying Alert
Mar 21, 2004
29,387
34,059
He has exceeded my expectations

I thought it would take him a few years to suck the life out of the club but he has managed it in just a few months
 

Seafordian Spurs

Well-Known Member
Aug 20, 2013
2,157
4,141
Painful Rebuild.

Any manager - any - would have seen this. Poch did but his time was up. It happens.

Jose knows this. He thought he could maybe get a tune out of the squad but he knows now what he probably knew before and what Poch knew and what any fucking manager worth their salt would have known - Painful Rebuild.

This is it.

The issue is whether you want to go through with the rebuild with a Poch or a Jose.

Jose's football, when it isn't getting the shithoused victories it sets out to, is awful.

I think if the players buy into it and he gets a couple more players he wants, we'll see beyond it. If it brings success.

All this talk of a 'modern, pressing' game. I mean yes, but most teams do this. Have we got the money to go toe to toe with the usual suspects? Probably not.

All we can do is ride the rest of the season out. Looking very likely to be out of Europa too.
 

Wheeler Dealer

Well-Known Member
Jul 29, 2011
6,863
12,282
The whole situation is descending into absolute chaos and disaster due to a number of factors that have been previously well documented. The club / owners need to quickly admit that things will need to change very quickly or the consequences could be very dire indeed. The lack of player investment, poor decision to sack manager and appoint the wrong one and lack of a director of football have allowed the club to regress at a rapid speed of knots. Big decisions need to happen and happen quickly
 

Lo Amo Speroni

Only been in match thread once.
Aug 9, 2010
1,992
5,603
My team name in fantasy football is BSoDL.
If DL fails to fully back the manager in the summer including concluding deals early, then a name change is needed.
 

Saoirse

Well-Known Member
Aug 20, 2013
6,143
15,550
You know what I don’t disagree with you. Poch should have been given more time, however he wasn’t and we are now in this position.

I’ve always hated teams like Chelsea, Watford, West Ham because they chop and change their managers at any given opportunity when it goes slightly wrong. I just hope we don’t turn into one of those teams.

I also hope our fans haven’t decided to be like theirs and demand success when it’s clear we haven’t got the squad to deliver it.
I don't think it's fair to blame the fans. Even the official statement announcing Mourinho highlighted his record of winning trophies everywhere. We were sold on the idea that he could get one past hurrah out of this squad for a couple of years. It's not clear that this is a failure - it may have been an impossible task. Certainly a poor decision from the board, and I can see the case for cutting our losses.
 

The Long Suffering One

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Mar 13, 2014
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I mentioned this in the ENIC chat. The board took it for granted with Poch and it looks like they took it for granted that Jose would come in and instantaneously changed things around this season.

I worry for this club's immediate future. I really do.
 

SpartanSpur

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Jan 27, 2011
12,552
43,063
I see a lot of mention of disappointing games early in Jose's tenure, namely Utd, Chelsea and the 3 xmas games.

Go back and watch those Xmas games carefully. The players looked physically knackered in the Brighton game (Kane and Dele obvious ones), let alone the Norwich and Southampton games.

Look at even the early positive results from Jose. The West Ham and Bournemouth games. 3-0 and flying in both only for the team to fall off a cliff physically. They couldn't manage more than 60-70 mins before the heavy Xmas period. It was usually a great period for us with our superior fitness, this year we saw the opposite. I think there is a lot of merit in @rossdapep info.

Football isn't played on paper. Mourinho has had to juggle with physical (fatigue/injuries) and mental (confidence/disappointment) issues since day zero. He's not operating in a vacuum where he can do exactly what he wants. The margins are small at this level and going into each game at a distinct physical advantage is far from ideal, and that only gets worse when the best players get injured, the squad shrinks and the remaining players get even more overworked. The seeds for this disastrous season were sown long before he turned up unfortunately.

I definitely think he's been a bit too fearful at times (tries to overcome the fatigue by trying to hang in games and finish strong) and probably has allowed himself to get too negative with all of the problems that kept occurring, but when you have a group of physically and mentally shot players and your real quality is missing for months you need to be a magician to figure out a solution.

The posts about wondering if he's the right man for a rebuild I totally understand and kinda agree with, however at the same time I'm sure he is capable of a lot more with us under better conditions.
 

rez9000

Any point?
Feb 8, 2007
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21,098
Hang on, the post you quoted said that Mourinho is not blameless. That is absolutely right and anyone is free to make that claim.

He is being paid a lot of money to add value to our team. Results aren’t good at the moment and, even if there are many good reasons for this, Mourinho should take his share of responsibility. That much is uncontroversial surely? Unless you think results in 2020 would be significantly worse with a reasonable alternactive?
No dude, what I was speaking about was the highlighted bit (sorry to be quoting you again @Oh Teddy Teddy )
I’m not calling on him to be sacked. I’m really not. I’m just saying he’s not blameless, and this is not a team that’s being coached well. Considering what he’s being paid, it’s not good enough.

Plus, the idea of there being 'blame' to be handed round. Why should we be couching it in those terms?
 

TheHoddleWaddle

Well-Known Member
Dec 13, 2013
11,289
20,289
Can anyone say there are any signs of progress at all 5 months into this not so noble experiment?

I honestly think we’ve got worse the longer he’s been here. While injuries haven’t helped, neither has the sit deep, ultra conservative style of play he seems to be trying to implement, which completely isolates the few attackers we have on the pitch.

The longer this continues without signs of life, the more legitimacy is given to the questions over whether Jose really is finished at this level, something many were asking before we even appointed him.
What's he supposed to do though? Magic ability into players who have seen their best days and others who are at best, average? I cant think of a manager who could get this sorry lot playing well. Not with all the injury problems, which I believe blame can be laid at the previous coaches door.
 

talkshowhost86

Mod-Moose
Staff
Oct 2, 2004
48,105
47,061
The season is over now.

Can't win a trophy and can't realistically finish top 4.

Jose needs to start the clear-out now by not playing the players he thinks aren't in his plans for next season.

Play the kids if you have to, but start trying to put into place an actual fixed plan that new players can come into.

Only issue here, is that I worry that through a combination of our players being completely disinterested, and Mourinho refusing to admit anything he does is wrong, we'll end up with a situation where everyone bar Kane and Son fall into that category.
 

talkshowhost86

Mod-Moose
Staff
Oct 2, 2004
48,105
47,061
What's he supposed to do though? Magic ability into players who have seen their best days and others who are at best, average? I cant think of a manager who could get this sorry lot playing well. Not with all the injury problems, which I believe blame can be laid at the previous coaches door.

Are you genuinely telling me that our squad, even with injuries, isn't better than the likes of Southampton, Burnley, Norwich and Villa, all of whom have outplayed us to certain extents in the last few months?

Some people are making it sound like Mourinho is working with the worst squad in the league. It simply isn't the case.
 

scat1620

L'espion mal fait
May 11, 2008
16,285
52,501
I said it at the time and I'll say it again now - Levy has created the rod for his own back when it comes to hiring Jose. Whether or not you believe Jose is the right man for the job and whether or not you believe he'll be his usual self though out his tenure here, the man wasn't brought in to build another like for like project like we got to see under Poch. If the belief that not giving Jose enough of the tools he needs to work with to turn this club/squad around then this summer is going to be what some fans have always wanted to see, while maybe at the detriment to the club itself, Levy under the microscope. If he is as bright a business man as many of you say he is, genuine or snide dig, then he'll need to show it this summer.

Infrastructure is there to see, time to start paying the piper otherwise ...
Yep. One of the reasons I was so happy at Mourinho being appointed was that he has proven that he can and will win something anywhere he goes if he's given the players to do so, and by appointing him Levy has put himself in a corner where he only has two choices: build a squad which your proven winner manager can win a trophy with [in which case, I'm happy: well done, Levy!]; or else don't build that squad and prove beyond all doubt that you're the bottleneck in our abject trophy haul since ENIC arrived. He has nowhere to hide now, and we will either pick up the trophy(ies) that we're all wishing for, or alternatively we won't and we will know exactly where the problem at Spurs lies.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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Are you genuinely telling me that our squad, even with injuries, isn't better than the likes of Southampton, Burnley, Norwich and Villa, all of whom have outplayed us to certain extents in the last few months?

Some people are making it sound like Mourinho is working with the worst squad in the league. It simply isn't the case.
100% this.
 
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