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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

wrd

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Aug 22, 2014
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I hope that if it goes south and Levy ends up shortchanging Mourinho, that he goes public with it. Let the world know what we already do. Put some pressure on him.

He never bad mouths his previous teams
 

SuperPav10

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Aug 20, 2013
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I’ll be candid, I think Mourinho has passed his sell by date. I’ve a horrible feeling he’s going to reduce spurs to the way he reduced Man U. As someone I spoke to today said ‘he watches the game from the sidelines like arsene wenger did in his last few seasons’. Maybe I’m being too fickle, and there’s a lot more to fix, but I’m not excited about our club currently..
But.... he won things at Man Utd that we haven't won in a longggg long time?
 

kaz Hirai

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Nov 5, 2008
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I hope that if it goes south and Levy ends up shortchanging Mourinho, that he goes public with it. Let the world know what we already do. Put some pressure on him.

Well he already publicly said bergwijn wasn't the player he wanted and was basically thrust upon him.
Turned out to be the right call this time but its that kinda stuff that made poch miserable and I assume he has a much higher tolerance for it than Jose .

The relationship probably won't last another 18 months , I assume levy brought Jose in on the assumption that poch was bullshitting that the squad need a painful rebuild
 

shelfboy68

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Jun 14, 2008
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I hope that if it goes south and Levy ends up shortchanging Mourinho, that he goes public with it. Let the world know what we already do. Put some pressure on him.
That is the weird thing with levy and co, when we bin managers I think they sign non disclosure agreement, because I'm sure they must have evidence of alien existence or who killed JFK.
 

LDNYid

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Jan 28, 2011
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Do you think anyone will? Of course, we may luck out finally and win one but there isn't a manager in the game right now who will transform us into what we all want us to be. Not all the while you know who is in charge. This is all fluff. Avoiding the real problem.

The priority isn't a new manager. Nowhere near it. Until our club has a change of philosophy at the top all a change of manager will do is sooth the baying mob for a year or two until we find ourselves here all over again. It's about time we, as fans, started to voice or vent our frustrations at the eighth dwarf. Stingey.

I couldn’t agree more.
 

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
Nov 24, 2013
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I’ll be candid, I think Mourinho has passed his sell by date. I’ve a horrible feeling he’s going to reduce spurs to the way he reduced Man U. As someone I spoke to today said ‘he watches the game from the sidelines like arsene wenger did in his last few seasons’. Maybe I’m being too fickle, and there’s a lot more to fix, but I’m not excited about our club currently..
People have already been candid with that opinion - plenty when he was originally being linked with the job. I was of that opinion before he got the job but he's here now so I do feel like he should get backed until Levy decides otherwise. Unfortunately it must be proving obvious with two managers struggling with the team in the space of a year that a simple managerial change doesn't address the issue.
 

Wheeler Dealer

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Jul 29, 2011
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He needs a proper season in fairness.

Oh, and funds, lots of funds.
He's had 20 games now. managing a squad he thought was top 4 material.. He doesn't have the desire or the need to sweat blood improving our fortunes. The only fortune on his mind is the £15m a year he's stealing from our club... I don't blame him from taking the job, when someone is prepared to pay someone that obscene amount of money for a man, who's better days and luck are a distant memory
 

Cochise

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Aug 8, 2019
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I'd lay some of the blame at Mourinho's door for continually starting with 2 in CM, neither of whom has great defensive skills. In the Sheffield game, our CBs were half trying to deal with stuff coming into the box and half watching for the ball being played to the edge of the box for a shot at goal. If we had a midfielder in that central position it would be his job to block shots, but not only did we have nobody there, but Sissoko was spending a load of time covering Aurier. All that was so that we could have an extra player in our attack, and all that seemed to do was create confusion and cramped space. Any of our midfielders could have played centrally 9Winks, Gedson, Skipp etc) and even if they're not dedicated DMs it would have helped.

I did a breakdown of the goals and Jose cannot improve individual decision making. There were plenty of players out there yesterday who made poor decisions that caused a domino affect for the defence. Sissoko for instance was covering Aurier when Aurier chased out to confront the man that Moura didn't mark.

Our midfield disintergrated like a paper towel in a rainstorm because the wide players consitently did not stick to the plan of defence and allowed for overloads on our fullbacks.

I can find fault with Jose on our attacking play, it's not gotten much better than before he joined. However the individual errors that we have been making that both Poch and Jose have bemoaned are not stopping.
 

SuperPav10

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Aug 20, 2013
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He was spending 100s of millions of pounds on players - Pogba, Lukaku, Sanchez, etc, etc. A cup run was the minimum they should have been achieving.
Money had nowt to do with what was said, it was implied that he failed there. My point is that if failure is winning things we haven't (even with Pochettino), then I'll take that.
 

danielneeds

Kick-Ass
May 5, 2004
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Money had nowt to do with what was said, it was implied that he failed there. My point is that if failure is winning things we haven't (even with Pochettino), then I'll take that.
But he failed in the context that he had the largest budget in the league and expectations are different because of that.
 

enfieldyid

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Sep 22, 2004
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I have seen nothing since Mourinho has been appointed that means he should keep his job. He was washed up before he came he now is completely finished. The problem with Mourinho is he has such a big chip on his shoulder that it is now weighing him down.
 

Japhet

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Aug 30, 2010
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I did a breakdown of the goals and Jose cannot improve individual decision making. There were plenty of players out there yesterday who made poor decisions that caused a domino affect for the defence. Sissoko for instance was covering Aurier when Aurier chased out to confront the man that Moura didn't mark.

Our midfield disintergrated like a paper towel in a rainstorm because the wide players consitently did not stick to the plan of defence and allowed for overloads on our fullbacks.

I can find fault with Jose on our attacking play, it's not gotten much better than before he joined. However the individual errors that we have been making that both Poch and Jose have bemoaned are not stopping.


He's suffering the same problems as Poch because he's using the same setup. We haven't had the players for 2 in midfield since Dembele left and Wanyama fell to bits IMO.
 

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
Nov 24, 2013
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He's had 20 games now. managing a squad he thought was top 4 material.. He doesn't have the desire or the need to sweat blood improving our fortunes. The only fortune on his mind is the £15m a year he's stealing from our club... I don't blame him from taking the job, when someone is prepared to pay someone that obscene amount of money for a man, who's better days and luck are a distant memory
I wouldn't necessarily say that - I think that is cynical. I'd say that his ego wouldn’t allow him to sully his record of winning trophies at every club. He would have been earning a decent amount with the punditry without breaking a sweat.
 

shelfboy68

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Jun 14, 2008
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He's had 20 games now. managing a squad he thought was top 4 material.. He doesn't have the desire or the need to sweat blood improving our fortunes. The only fortune on his mind is the £15m a year he's stealing from our club... I don't blame him from taking the job, when someone is prepared to pay someone that obscene amount of money for a man, who's better days and luck are a distant memory
He will probably be gone by Christmas this arrangement won't work.
 

Cochise

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Aug 8, 2019
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He's suffering the same problems as Poch because he's using the same setup. We haven't had the players for 2 in midfield since Dembele left and Wanyama fell to bits IMO.

I think we are on to the same thing. My point however is that the two in midfield are struggling more because of others around them making poor decisions. I think even Dembele and Wanyama might struggle with covering some of the gaps that are being left at the moment.

Another way of looking at it would be that now is the time for Jose to lay the ground work for his tenure here. This is the system he wants, he's getting players to play in it, finding out who can make it work, who can't and identifying key signings. Those that he keeps will have the bonus of already knowing the system before pre-season and be more adept at playing in it next season.
 

jay2040

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Aug 31, 2012
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I think we had the right coach in Poch. We should've had more patience. He was not the problem.

Now we made our bed. We need to stick with Mourinho and give him the chance. This season was always gonna end like this. We are not good enough.
That said, I don't think he's the right fit for our club and will never be. I don't think he is past his best, but his style of football and the need for mega signings doesn't fit with us as a club

Are you oblivious to the downward spiral we endured towards end of Pochs tenure? His effectiveness on the team had disappeared.
 

jay2040

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Aug 31, 2012
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This constant bringing up of us being 14th is so weak, we were 14th after 12 games in and one win would take us to 5th as Jose literally proved in the next after being fucked by VAR twice which cost us 5 points which at the time of sacking would have had us 5th and 2 points clear of 6th. Is the argument is that things are better now because for one game week during a period of the season where the difference between a loss and a win was about 12 positions meant we were 14th?

We were 14th and had Poch stayed theres no guarantee we would have got more points or he would have won games Jose did.
 

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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Bouncing from coach to coach is not a problem if they each get 100mil or so to build their own team.Worked for Chelsea to a degree
That's true but we know we're not a club who can spend our way out of trouble so we need to be more strategic.

Too many times Levy had to hire a coach in order to fix his mistakes from the last one.

Poch was the first and only coach we seemed to get in which we had really strategised although even then Levy apparently wanted Van Gaal.
 
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