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Trotter · Jul 6, 2020

buckley said:
As far as spending goes what must be remembered is that for either a club being rich because their history has dictated that they have massive amounts of followers clubs like United and Liverpool and this makes them rich enough to not be affected by cv19 problems
You then have the clubs that are owned by either Russian oligarchs or uber rich Arabs with untold wealth this being Chelsea and Man City
But now you have the newly rich clubs who have owners with almost limitless cash to spend like Wolves and Everton and Leicester even the Sheffield United owners are now richer than we are ref owners soon to be joined by another club to be owned by a country Newcastle .
That makes 8 clubs in a better position financially .
The face of football at the top has changed forever gone are the days when you earned your financial security via success on the field of play or by prudent management (spurs ) . Unless you can find some person or country that wants a football club as a play thing or as a means to
Sportswash their credibility which in the case of the Arab owners is just the very tip of human rights violation regarding payment to workers or safety regulations which seeing as these workers that are treated so badly are mostly asian from the poorest parts of India; China ;North Korea ;Thailand and the rest of the poor from sin country . Of course this is exploitation and also Racism but seeing as Racism in todays climate seems to be selective . Note Raheem Sterlings stance on racism but he is quite happy to ignore his paymasters racism like I say selective racism . I have just realised I am rambling on and on so I had better shut my gob .

Totally disagree.
Wolves, Sheffield United, Everton, even Chelsea in fact all clubs have been abiding by FFP (apart from Manchester City with their still to be proved inflated deals).
Why other clubs seemingly have improved compared to us over the years is because they spend up to what FFP has allowed them to.
We had a surplus of some £400m for FFP purposes over the last 3 seasons, because we chose profits over improving the squad.
The stadium build is really red herring, we could easily have spent £200m plus on players and borrowed more against stadium, or chosen to have spent £300m less on building stadium, but it was a vanity project as much as anything, but be clear on something, it was club decisions not to spend on players, rather than being in any way financially handicapped.

buckley · Jul 6, 2020

It does not alter the fact that we have to make the books balance and those 8 clubs do not have to worry about that all they have to do is think of ways that they can cheat FFP because money is no object .
I can see it now some of these owners " I know lets sponsor a toilet brush for 20 mill " ridiculous as it seems these people use all kinds of ideas to get around the rules .
Also we just do not have the money to spend these other clubs do and lots of it .

spursfan77 · Jul 6, 2020

rossdapep said:
Anyway. I'm not going to keep moaning about it. nothing we can do will change the way they operate.

Now, Levy and Jose need to manage the situation like Jose did in his second season at Inter.

He spent €89.05 million
But brought in €97million.

So they actually made a profit and went on to win.

They actually made smart signings and be fitted from Barcas desire to have Ibra and throw in money at the same time.

Milito - 13m + two players
Motta = 4m plus a player
Lucio = 7.85m
Sneijder = 18m
Mariga = 2.5m
Arnautovic = undisclosed

Plus a few frees.

Using player swaps and free transfers they were able to improve their squad and do great things.

The obvious problem is that it's difficult to repeat this and also today's climate may be more challenging. And of course getting Etoo plus 20m for Ibra was a masterstroke that probably won't be repeated nor would we want to sell someone like Kane to get it done.

This is exactly the kind of window I am expecting from us and have been since March. Being clever. But Levy has to do the deals. Miss out on Mourinho’s targets unlike Inter did and it won’t be pretty.

There will be a lot of spin put on these words today (probably negatively) but to me it only goes to reinforce my paragraph above.

“I don’t feel very comfortable to speak about [what I want] publicly,” Mourinho told Standard Sport. “One thing is what I would like and, of course, Mr Levy knows what I would like. But I know the situation perfectly. And that’s why I say, ‘I would like’ and I don’t say, ‘I want’.
“Because I have to respect the situation of the world and the situation of my club. So we have to be very cautious in our words. Of course we have to improve, we have to improve generally. Let’s see what is possible.”

SecretLemonadeDrinker · Jul 6, 2020

nedley said:
So who replaced Eriksen is what I want to know.

I’m not sure that the idea was to replace him.

I think fans can sometimes get themselves into a way of thinking which goes along the lines of: if important player x leaves the club, we have to bring in player y because he’s as close as possible to replicating what player x brought to the team. But the manager might have other ideas altogether.

We brought in Ndombele and Lo Celso. It’s very possible that Poch wanted to change how we played.

Hazelton · Jul 6, 2020

Apparently some fans have contributed towards a plane going over the stadium with a "Levy + ENIC out" banner. We'll see I guess.

Shadydan · Jul 6, 2020

Hazelton said:
Apparently some fans have contributed towards a plane going over the stadium with a "Levy + ENIC out" banner. We'll see I guess.

Ahh good old Spurs fans ?‍

SecretLemonadeDrinker · Jul 6, 2020

hutchiniho said:
Who is responsible for securing the naming rights deal? Genuine question
We have the finest stadium in all of Europe with a direct link in to the US sports market and we still haven’t landed a deal.
Even before Covid this had Well over a full year to be signed off
Does this come down to Levy again? Buy (occasionally) as low as insanely possible and sell at vastly inflated prices.
Reports say we expect 25m a year for 10years. Just for the stadium name
I really don’t think our valuation teams live on the same planet as everyone else.
No wonder we still don’t have this tied up.

Arsenal £200m for name and shirt sponsorship
City £400m for both. (And Just (Nearly) £2m a year said to be for the actual stadium naming)

now we have £320m agreed with AIA
So that again clearly shows the bulk of sponsorship is for the shirt
How can we expect another £250m for just the naming rights ?
And then not have that name in the shirts For that too.
City £400m Spurs £570m ! Laughable

Safe to say our naming rights income atm is Zero!

It’s important to point out that City’s deal with Etihad was signed over 9 years ago - since when, the value of sponsorship deals for the biggest clubs has risen hugely. So you aren’t comparing apples with apples when you compare a deal that City signed in 2011 to a deal that Spurs are looking to strike now.

Neither are you comparing apples with apples when you compare the new Spurs stadium with the Etihad (especially as it was back in 2011). As a stadium, ours is on an altogether higher level. As a venue for a wide variety of major events, the Etihad cannot begin to compare. So whatever Spurs lose by having a lower profile than City, they more than make up by having a far better, far more versatile and far more in demand stadium.

We don’t know what Levy is looking to earn from stadium sponsorship. We don’t know what interest has been expressed thus far. Until we do get that information, I don’t think we’re in a position either to lambast or praise Levy re stadium sponsorship - much though the ENIC OUT and BSODL camps would love to!

LeParisien · Jul 6, 2020

SecretLemonadeDrinker said:
It’s important to point out that City’s deal with Etihad was signed over 9 years ago - since when, the value of sponsorship deals for the biggest clubs has risen hugely. So you aren’t comparing apples with apples when you compare a deal that City signed in 2011 to a deal that Spurs are looking to strike now.

Neither are you comparing apples with apples when you compare the new Spurs stadium with the Etihad (especially as it was back in 2011). As a stadium, ours is on an altogether higher level. As a venue for a wide variety of major events, the Etihad cannot begin to compare. So whatever Spurs lose by having a lower profile than City, they more than make up by having a far better, far more versatile and far more in demand stadium.

We don’t know what Levy is looking to earn from stadium sponsorship. We don’t know what interest has been expressed thus far. Until we do get that information, I don’t think we’re in a position either to lambast or praise Levy re stadium sponsorship - much though the ENIC OUT and BSODL camps would love to!

Good post but I dont think many are praising Levy for this. More... lets wait and see in what has been a difficult period to attract big sponsorship.

SecretLemonadeDrinker · Jul 6, 2020

Hazelton said:
Apparently some fans have contributed towards a plane going over the stadium with a "Levy + ENIC out" banner. We'll see I guess.

And Levy has countered by commissioning a banner to be flown over the stadium immediately afterwards, which reads:

ENIC Lives Matter

thecook · Jul 6, 2020

Hazelton said:
Apparently some fans have contributed towards a plane going over the stadium with a "Levy + ENIC out" banner. We'll see I guess.

We could lose 5-0 and it won't be as embarassing as a fuckng plane banner

danielneeds · Jul 6, 2020

thecook said:
We could lose 5-0 and it won't be as embarassing as a fuckng plane banner

It’s fair enough really. What other recourse do people have to let their frustrations be known? We’re almost entirely powerless. Sure there’ll be some banter on social media, but at the end of the day if they want ti spend their money on a plane, so be it.

LeParisien · Jul 6, 2020

danielneeds said:
It’s fair enough really. What other recourse do people have to let their frustrations be known? We’re almost entirely powerless. Sure there’ll be some banter on social media, but at the end of the day if they want ti spend their money on a plane, so be it.

Stop spending money on the club and re-divert money to rivals. Or, take a step back and realise your knowledge of Spurs, the football world and business is far, far inferior to that of those actually running the club so your very strong feelings aren't merited. Just enjoy the ride...

Shadydan · Jul 6, 2020

danielneeds said:
It’s fair enough really. What other recourse do people have to let their frustrations be known? We’re almost entirely powerless. Sure there’ll be some banter on social media, but at the end of the day if they want ti spend their money on a plane, so be it.

A plane is such a shit gesture, just makes our fans look like dickheads, if you want to protest do it properly and get on the street (when it's safe

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wrd · Jul 6, 2020

Shadydan said:
A plane is such a shit gesture, just makes our fans look like dickheads, if you want to protest do it properly and get on the street (when it's safe )

Doesn't even need to be that, just don't pay the prices on memberships and tickets. No need for stupid gestures but if you're not happy then don't give the club your money, simple as that imo.

Metalhead · Jul 6, 2020

thecook said:
We could lose 5-0 and it won't be as embarassing as a fuckng plane banner

Would it be #spursy if the banner falls off mid flight?

Shadydan · Jul 6, 2020

wrd said:
Doesn't even need to be that, just don't pay the prices on memberships and tickets. No need for stupid gestures but if you're not happy then don't give the club your money, simple as that imo.

Not all fans are paying members or have season tickets though.

Shadydan · Jul 6, 2020

Metalhead said:
Would it be #spursy if the banner falls off mid flight?

And injures Kane in the process.

wrd · Jul 6, 2020

Shadydan said:
Not all fans are paying members or have season tickets though.

But at the same time those most likely fans won't be participating in these kind of gestures though.

Shadydan · Jul 6, 2020

wrd said:
But at the same time those most likely fans won't be participating in these kind of gestures though.

Not sure about that, seems like there's more people these days which are disgruntled with Enic than not, if that's the majority of the fan base then that's gonna be far more than paying members and season ticket holders. Although you are right fans generally should just stop paying but they won't.

wrd · Jul 6, 2020

Shadydan said:
Not sure about that, seems like there's more people these days which are disgruntled with Enic than not, if that's the majority of the fan base then that's gonna be far more than paying members and season ticket holders. Although you are right fans generally should just stop paying but they won't.

Oh yeah there's more disgruntled but I was focusing on specifically those disgruntled enough to decide to fly a stupid plane with a banner. I'm making a broad assumption but I feel like a person willing to pay for that type of thing is also the same type of person to continue to give their money to the club as they hate the idea of not being a "proper fan™"

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