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Match Prediction

  • Spurs to win with clean sheet

    Votes: 10 6.4%

  • Spurs to win but will concede

    Votes: 34 21.7%

  • Spurs to lose

    Votes: 66 42.0%

  • Score Draw

    Votes: 41 26.1%

  • Goal-less Draw

    Votes: 6 3.8%
  • Total voters
    157
  • Poll closed .
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Mighty Spurs

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We sure won ugly tonight, a boring game to watch, the highlight being when Lloris had a go with Son at halftime. At least we got three really needed points. COYS!!!!
 
Shadydan

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The players still have the previous mentality, everyone was too nice too each other, barely any accountability, not ruthless enough, not enough calling each other out and letting players get away with shit, not any more.

This is gonna sound like I'm shitting on Poch but what worked for him and our players at the time doesn't mean it would necessarily work for the players now and this current manager. I feel that we've been like this for too long, the amount of individual errors we make and no one actually pointing any fingers...this is a big reason why we went stale because everyone became complacent.
 
dondo

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Ionman34 said:
They did today mate, attacking wise anyway.

Defensively we weren't bad, but let's be honest, Everton were atrocious.

Having said that, Aurier was very disciplined in defence, as were Dier and Toby, Davies looked the weak link to me and gave far too many fouls in dangerous areas.

As much as I like him, Sissoko really needs replacing. Kudos to him for turning around his Spurs career from where it was, but he's never going to get better than where he's currently at, and he's detrimental to any attacking momentum we may build. But Sissoko shouldn't be singled out here, our forward passing is abysmal, I lost count of under hit passes, passes played behind players forcing them to check and, ultimately have to pass the ball backwards yet again, lack of movement, no running of the channels ...

Kane did very well defensively, but I was watching him as we went forward, particularly with Aurier on the ball. At first I thought SA was being ultra conservative, but then noted that he had absolutely no one in the box to cross to. You may say it's because the service isn't all that, but that's just an excuse. A top striker has to know that 9 out of 10 times the ball won't get to him, but you have to make all 10 runs to get that 1 in 10 chance. Kane isn't making 5 of 10 runs.

Happy with the 3 points, why wouldn't I be, but I'm not going to get overly enthused about our defence as they were hardly tested, and we still look far too open in midfield.

I'll take the application, concentration and effort as a positive, but only if it isn't a 1 off reaction.
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90s spurs would have lost today no doubt.
I’m not going to argue with you that this team needs upgrades/improvement and the style atm is not great to watch but we showed some character and fight today which I liked especially after we showed none in the last match
 
Guntz

Guntz

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rossdapep said:
I do think Jose is waiting for more defensive resolve before trusting Ndombele. However if he leaves and we manage to get 60m for him, would it really be a disaster? Could get a new CB and CM with that potentially.
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We'll be lucky to get £40m for Ndombele in this market.
 
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Mighty Spurs

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Oct 13, 2008
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We sure won ugly tonight, a boring game to watch, the highlight being when Lloris had a go with Son at halftime. At least we got three really needed points. COYS!!!!
 
carpediem991

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sausage said:
Let's be realistic - if you wanted us to do a 180 and suddenly play fluid attractive football after (again, let's be realistic) around 18 months, if not 2 years of this kind of football, then we'd have needed to bring in a classic English motivator ("run aaarand you fackin maaags") type like BFS, 'Arry, or Pearson.

While that would work in the short term, they aren't the managers that win you things. We'd end up like the same spurs we've been for 10 years - going to the strip club, seeing the tits and bits, but still walking away as virgins.

Any 'longer term' squad cohesion is going to be a slower burn imo. I mean, we have had everything go against us since the CL final (Amazon, injuries, disinterested manager, COVID etc.) so it's possible that a cumulation of factors is at play. Motivation seems to be key, and you can tell that the fan atmosphere is a big factor with several teams.

I'd rather we finish as high as possible even if it's boring. Get it all over with, move around some players, see how the new season goes.

At the end of the day, we need to win things. I'm a bit fed up of years of being a team who play good football except when it counts - these crappy scrappy games are the difference between us and the teams that have won stuff ahead of us in recent years.
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Sorry but what exactly indicates right now that we would win something?

We did not win a huge battle with a tactical master class, we were gifted a goal against a pathetic midtable Everton who could not respond.
If there would be any opponent with a bit more quality and desire we wouldnt have won again.

Just because its Mourinho this tactics is not necessary the way to succes.
I dont think we have the mentality, footballing brains, balls or patience in the squad with this style.
 
Bofrok

Bofrok

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philll said:
I've been kicking off about it all over the internet but @jedimonkey suggested that half time doesn't count as one of those "windows". The 3-window limit is just to avoid time wasting so it sounds plausible (even though I can't find anything about it in the rule changes).
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I was of the same opinion as you but after a bit of searching found a few confirmations including this:

"In 2020, following a proposal from FIFA, the International Football Association Board allowed for competition organisers to temporarily allow for a maximum of five substitutions (with an additional allowed in extra time, where applicable) to be made in official matches for the remainder of the year in order to lessen the impact of fixture congestion caused by the COVID-19 pandemic. However, there will only be three opportunities to make substitutions (with an additional allowed in extra time, where applicable), excluding those made at half-time, before the start of extra time and at half-time in extra time."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substitute_(association_football)#History
 
sausage

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carpediem991 said:
Sorry but what exactly indicates right now that we would win something?

We did not win a huge battle with a tactical master class, we were gifted a goal against a pathetic midtable Everton who could not respond.
If there would be any opponent with a bit more quality and desire we wouldnt have won again.

Just because its Mourinho this tactics is not necessary the way to succes.
I dont think we have the mentality, footballing brains, balls or patience in the squad with this style.
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Well this combination
- Mourinho has been accused of all the same list of things at every club he's been at for the last god-knows-how-many years.
- Mourinho has won a trophy at every club he has managed since his first full season as a manager.

I mean, if you can't have faith in Mourinho to win you something, who else can you?


I'll also add - that wasn't a "pathetic midtable Everton", it's an Everton that have been resurgent under Ancelotti. They were relegation fodder when we brought in Mourinho.
 
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jonnyp

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Still don't understand why Hugo was so mad at Son, he wouldn't have had much chance to help out the defence at all. It was Lucas who had that god awful pass (shock) that put the team under needless pressure. I can see why Son wasn't pleased about being singled out. Lo Celso didn't bust a nut either
 
C0YS

C0YS

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ajspurs said:
I don't know, we just look so unsure of how to effectively attack and just incapable. We were down against Sheffield United and looked just as clueless as when it was level.

Honestly I just think the performance had nothing or very little to do with Everton, just like how I think Sheffield United were there for the taking the other day. We just seem incredibly unable to build moves together, create good chances and have any attacking fluidity. I just think the football is so far from where it needs to be.



Oh yeah I agree, in a NLD I wouldn't care. I only dread it as I really worry for how often we'll get away with playing such poor actual football.
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Yeh this is the question. Sheffield did very similar to what we did today, but we played a slightly higher block. I think we did have problems, but against Man United and West Ham we also scored goals. We've scored every match since covid. So there are worries, it isn't fluid and players seem to be getting in each others way and taking way too much time on the ball.

I don't feel Sheffield were for the taking, I think we needed to defend better. Sheffield know how to defend. They haven't lost a game that they were ahead in all season. That is their strength. Shutting down games, and that's why they've done so well with, frankly, limited players.

I wish we came out a bit more all guns blazing. But that is not what Jose Mourinho does. It just isn't. We don't have fluidity, but right now we are winning games and if we matched the form we have been on since covid we would be comfortably in a CL places. These haven't been easy fixtures. A west ham derby and two competitors who had an outside chance for top 4., and an Ancelotti Everton who are on form and whose form under Ancelotti before today would have put them on 56 points in 5th. So the fact we have come out of them with an average point total which would put us on 58 points, same as Leicester. Is an improvement.

Is our attack worrying? Yes. But it is not as worrying as our defence has been this season. If we can learn to keep it tight first, then we have a platform to build on.
 
rossdapep

rossdapep

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carpediem991 said:
Sorry but what exactly indicates right now that we would win something?

We did not win a huge battle with a tactical master class, we were gifted a goal against a pathetic midtable Everton who could not respond.
If there would be any opponent with a bit more quality and desire we wouldnt have won again.

Just because its Mourinho this tactics is not necessary the way to succes.
I dont think we have the mentality, footballing brains, balls or patience in the squad with this style.
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We weren't gifted a goal
We had some good build up play, loved the ball into a dangerous area, Everton panicked and we aggressively pressed them to win it back and forced it in.

If that was Liverpool people would be saying "jammy goal but they made it by pressing"
 
rupsmith

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Jul 29, 2006
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sausage said:
Let's be realistic - if you wanted us to do a 180 and suddenly play fluid attractive football after (again, let's be realistic) around 18 months, if not 2 years of this kind of football, then we'd have needed to bring in a classic English motivator ("run aaarand you fackin maaags") type like BFS, 'Arry, or Pearson.

While that would work in the short term, they aren't the managers that win you things. We'd end up like the same spurs we've been for 10 years - going to the strip club, seeing the tits and bits, but still walking away as virgins.

Any 'longer term' squad cohesion is going to be a slower burn imo. I mean, we have had everything go against us since the CL final (Amazon, injuries, disinterested manager, COVID etc.) so it's possible that a cumulation of factors is at play. Motivation seems to be key, and you can tell that the fan atmosphere is a big factor with several teams.

I'd rather we finish as high as possible even if it's boring. Get it all over with, move around some players, see how the new season goes.

At the end of the day, we need to win things. I'm a bit fed up of years of being a team who play good football except when it counts - these crappy scrappy games are the difference between us and the teams that have won stuff ahead of us in recent years.
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A top post. Could not agree more. The best part of this game was the fight. Jose knows what to do that’s for sure. The nasty edge. The “win at any cost” mentality. Poch did an absolutely amazing job. But the “happy family“ thing is not a proven winning model - anyone stepping out of line was chucked out. Its not the United era, Chelsea under Jose; Arsenal under the early Arsene.

Big personalities clash and scrap and win. Jose said the Sheff United game destroyed him a bit - that sagging of shoulders and surrender. Those are the games that we need to win. Jose will bring that to us. The time for the fluent goal or the neat pass being the highlight of the game has done its time. Levy has brought in the biggest gun around to get us what we have been missing - trophies.
 
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