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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
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I'm genuinely more concerned than I've been since he was appointed. After the absolute dross against Sheffield United he called for a reaction, then put all the worst offenders back in the starting XI. What we got was not a reaction, but rather one of the most insipid performances I can ever remember. His tenure does not seem to be going anywhere good.

How can they give him a reaction if they don’t play?
 

LeParisien

Wrong about everything
Mar 5, 2018
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Give him some time, the squads mentality was done after the final loss and poch’s 5yr project coming to an end. We’ve had tons of injuries and were in relegation form before he came in.

sure the football isn’t good but results have Improved and saying he’s not getting a tune out of ndombele sess and Foyth is a strange point, ndomble clearly has fitness and attitude issues, neither are Jose’s fault, sess is a kid and is not good enough to play ahead of Davies as LB or ahead of son at LW, Foyth got some chances and was poor, Jose can’t trust him so he’s brought on tanganga and moved dier back their.
Mourinho deserves time. Of course.

Ndombele doesnt obviously have attitude issues - thats only inferred from Mourinhos handling of him. Ndombele showed a lot more in a worse performing team under Poch than he has done under Mou. He was also excellent for Lyon - best player on the pitch when they played Man City. Perhaps this is a master stroke. Perhaps this is another Pogba.

Sure there may be reasons for Foyth and Sess but the end result will be two high potential players wasted. Unless something changes.

In all three cases it is looking like a failure to manage talented human resources. I could be wrong and time will tell and I will be happy to be corrected. I hope his apologists will do the same if I am right.
 

Japhet

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Aug 30, 2010
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Can't remember ever watching a more boring game than that. All time low from an entertainment standpoint. Should have watched the Mrs. doing the ironing.
 

Hazelton

Unknown Member
Jul 11, 2011
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19,292
I think the biggest worry for a lot if us isn't when Jose goes, because he almost certainly will leave within the next couple of seasons, but rather how long it takes to undo the damage and get back to playing attractive football. United are only just recovering and they've spent far more than we ever will along with a few stars emerging from their youth academy.
 

topper

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Jan 27, 2008
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16,254
Win, clean sheet, 3 points - that's what the archives will report in a few years so I'll take these small mercies at present and give Jose time to mould the team he wants as he isn't going anywhere soon. What this squad needs more than anything is a strong mentality, even at our peak under Poch (and we were fucking good) we still won the square root of fuck all and always managed to come up short when it really, really mattered - semi - final after semi final, even when we reached finals we may as well stayed on the coach, and as for a sniff of a title!! So it might be ugly, it won't be pretty but you never know, it might be effective?
 

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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I honestly can't understand how ppl are expecting expansive easy on the eye football...

- Players low on confidence after a dreadful 18 months
- Players probably demotivated due to years of near misses.
- Most creative player gone (Eriksen)
- Most dominant midfield gone (Dembele Wanyama)
- Most dynamic fullbacks gone (Rose Walker)
- Decent RB back up gone (Trippier)
- Ageing CBs (Jan & Toby)
- Our new midfield saviour proving hard work and lacking fitness/effort (Ndombele)
- No DM in the entire squad that can free up our attackers
- No rotation striker for Kane
- Square players such as Sissoko and Winks being asked to dominate and move the ball around like Busquets and Xavi
- Lack of back up full backs who let us rotate the one-attacking FB option
- A big player struggling persistently with hamstring injuries (Alli)
- A player who could offer a lot but breaks down with injuries far too frequently (Lamela)
- A team lacking in cohesion and key parts.
- A team who haven't been aggressive defensively for yonks
- A team who have been far too easy to play through for yonks.

These issues cannot be fixed over a few months. They take at least 3-4 windows and lots of time on the training field.

Jose gets my patience until he's had some of this.
 

rossdapep

Well-Known Member
Aug 25, 2011
21,907
78,647
I think the biggest worry for a lot if us isn't when Jose goes, because he will leave within the next couple of seasons, but rather how long it takes to undo the damage and get back to playing attractive football. United are only just recovering and they've spent far more than we ever will along with a few stars emerging from their youth academy.
It took them 18 months, not long
Chelsea won the league the year after
Madrid won CL for years after.
 

beats1

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Feb 22, 2010
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Jose's point per game are nothing special. He's getting about 1.55 points per game, Poch was around 1.3 when sacked. I don't believe his results couldn't be achieved by a manager on a far lower wage, giving more money to be invested in the squad.

I accept the squad is horribly unbalanced but I don't think Jose is the right man to make the transfers need. Where is his track record of nurturing young talent? We aren't going to be spending mega money and buying a lot of 30+ year olds for stability or experience just means we will be back to square one in a season or two.

If you are being nice about Mourinho he is a square peg in a round hole.
Poch has no track record of bring through youth players but neither has Jose

However Poch makes young players better but its worth noting the record held for the youngest team to win the Premier league is held by Jose
 

spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
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The team as a collective unit could have given the proper response. Lucas and Sissoko had no business starting this match.

Yep, Sissoko has no business being in the team. I’ve long said that he didn’t improve, we as a team just sunk to his level. He'd be one of the first players out of the door for me this summer.
 
May 17, 2018
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Can't remember ever watching a more boring game than that. All time low from an entertainment standpoint. Should have watched the Mrs. doing the ironing.

I'm still freshly scarred by AVB football - it was an orgasm compared to watching that old crap. 99% possession, 0 shots on target.
 

beats1

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Feb 22, 2010
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The same bang average players that made the UCL final last season ?
Chelsea won the Champions league with a bang average team, dont forget the second half of last season the wheels came off our premier league form
 
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LeParisien

Wrong about everything
Mar 5, 2018
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Poch has no track record of bring through youth players but neither has Jose

However Poch makes young players better but its worth noting the record held for the youngest team to win the Premier league is held by Jose
If we had 2005 Jose there would be far fewer complaints.
 
May 17, 2018
11,872
47,993
Chelsea won the Champions league with bang average team, dont forget the second half of last season the wheels came off our premier league form

To add, our form was fine in the first half of that season, but our style of play with indiscernible to what we've seen since. I recall vividly that we were stalling and stuttering but winning, and our excuse on here was that we needed to get those types of wins to be good. The crap team play rot was well established even back then.
 

Yiddo100

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Jan 16, 2019
9,894
52,009
I honestly can't understand how ppl are expecting expansive easy on the eye football...

- Players low on confidence after a dreadful 18 months
- Players probably demotivated due to years of near misses.
- Most creative player gone (Eriksen)
- Most dominant midfield gone (Dembele Wanyama)
- Most dynamic fullbacks gone (Rose Walker)
- Decent RB back up gone (Trippier)
- Ageing CBs (Jan & Toby)
- Our new midfield saviour proving hard work and lacking fitness/effort (Ndombele)
- No DM in the entire squad that can free up our attackers
- No rotation striker for Kane
- Square players such as Sissoko and Winks being asked to dominate and move the ball around like Busquets and Xavi
- Lack of back up full backs who let us rotate the one-attacking FB option
- A big player struggling persistently with hamstring injuries (Alli)
- A player who could offer a lot but breaks down with injuries far too frequently (Lamela)
- A team lacking in cohesion and key parts.
- A team who haven't been aggressive defensively for yonks
- A team who have been far too easy to play through for yonks.

These issues cannot be fixed over a few months. They take at least 3-4 windows and lots of time on the training field.

Jose gets my patience until he's had some of this.
I can’t believe I’ve came into this thread and seen a post that makes so much sense
 

Fittster

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Oct 21, 2019
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Poch has no track record of bring through youth players but neither has Jose

However Poch makes young players better but its worth noting the record held for the youngest team to win the Premier league is held by Jose

Poch had a track record at Southampton, the last time Jose operated with a small budget was at Porto.

The 2004-2005 season when he won the Premier League with a young squad, involved a spend of £149m, which allowing for inflation would be £224m today. I can see Levy funding that.

The season before that he spent £152m

The spending at Chelsea and United involved huge sums being thrown about.
 

emiley heskey

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Jul 3, 2020
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Jose's point per game are nothing special. He's getting about 1.55 points per game, Poch was around 1.3 when sacked. I don't believe his results couldn't be achieved by a manager on a far lower wage, giving more money to be invested in the squad.

I accept the squad is horribly unbalanced but I don't think Jose is the right man to make the transfers need. Where is his track record of nurturing young talent? We aren't going to be spending mega money and buying a lot of 30+ year olds for stability or experience just means we will be back to square one in a season or two.

If you are being nice about Mourinho he is a square peg in a round hole.

Poch's PPG was 1.12 or something like that
 

rossdapep

Well-Known Member
Aug 25, 2011
21,907
78,647
Poch had a track record at Southampton, the last time Jose operated with a small budget was at Porto.

The 2004-2005 season when he won the Premier League with a young squad, involved a spend of £149m, which allowing for inflation would be £224m today. I can see Levy funding that.

The season before that he spent £152m

The spending at Chelsea and United involved huge sums being thrown about.
Second season at Inter
Spend 87m
Sales 97m

so he effectively made the club money and won the treble.

Levy and him need to do the same here.
 
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