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Match Prediction

  • Spurs to win with clean sheet

    Votes: 10 6.4%
  • Spurs to win but will concede

    Votes: 34 21.7%
  • Spurs to lose

    Votes: 66 42.0%
  • Score Draw

    Votes: 41 26.1%
  • Goal-less Draw

    Votes: 6 3.8%

  • Total voters
    157
  • Poll closed .

Shadydan

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Still don't understand why Hugo was so mad at Son, he wouldn't have had much chance to help out the defence at all. It was Lucas who had that god awful pass (shock) that put the team under needless pressure. I can see why Son wasn't pleased about being singled out. Lo Celso didn't bust a nut either

Probably from the fall out from the Sheffield Utd match - think it was more to do with Son's general attitude at that moment more than anything.
 

C0YS

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Why can't Skipp get game time? There's very little at stake this season.
I really hope the players don't think like this. Because if they do we should get rid of the lot of them.
Europa league is definitely in play, but even the CL is possible. It would be pretty pathetic for a team to stop aiming for what is possible. You need to put pressure on whats ahead. It's only 7 points after all. It's not going to happen but a few results going your way and it's on.
 

rossdapep

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Yeh this is the question. Sheffield did very similar to what we did today, but we played a slightly higher block. I think we did have problems, but against Man United and West Ham we also scored goals. We've scored every match since covid. So there are worries, it isn't fluid and players seem to be getting in each others way and taking way too much time on the ball.

I don't feel Sheffield were for the taking, I think we needed to defend better. Sheffield know how to defend. They haven't lost a game that they were ahead in all season. That is their strength. Shutting down games, and that's why they've done so well with, frankly, limited players.

I wish we came out a bit more all guns blazing. But that is not what Jose Mourinho does. It just isn't. We don't have fluidity, but right now we are winning games and if we matched the form we have been on since covid we would be comfortably in a CL places. These haven't been easy fixtures. A west ham derby and two competitors who had an outside chance for top 4., and an Ancelotti Everton who are on form and whose form under Ancelotti before today would have put them on 56 points in 5th. So the fact we have come out of them with an average point total which would put us on 58 points, same as Leicester. Is an improvement.

Is our attack worrying? Yes. But it is not as worrying as our defence has been this season. If we can learn to keep it tight first, then we have a platform to build on.
I agree with what you are saying. I think you've pinpointed some positive aspects.

Just one thing. Jose has had teams that have come flying out the blocks. His Chelsea team in 2015 would regularly score early goals. His second season at United too. Not so much against the bigger sides but certainly against the lesser lights.
 

carpediem991

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Well this combination
- Mourinho has been accused of all the same list of things at every club he's been at for the last god-knows-how-many years.
- Mourinho has won a trophy at every club he has managed since his first full season as a manager.

I mean, if you can't have faith in Mourinho to win you something, who else can you?

I believed it when we appointed him. Now i realized we are starting each time with several players maybe good enough for Crystal Palace. And we seem nit to have the money (nor the scouting) to close these gaps to several other teams.

It feels more we are trying to be something that we are not. Players signed here to play exciting attacking football and are now asked to do something they were rarely good at ever before. Defend without the ball in your own half...

I dont see the fit unfortunately...
 

emiley heskey

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ALL 4 everton fullbacks would have been really useful under Jose Mourinho's Spurs. That's what I learned from this game... That's all...
 

spursfan1991

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I really enjoyed this game. Excellent win against a team on form and one of very few teams to get something against liverpool this season.

7 points out of 12 which is a really good restart. It could have been a lot better had the officiating was better in key moments during the games we dropped points.

Its always going to be difficult to create a lot of chances with the current full backs and central midfielders on show who always give 10/10 but lack consistent quality on the ball. Until this is rectified in the tranfer window, we will continue to see matches with few chances. For now, winning football is all that matters. Bored of spurs playing nice and have jackshit to show for it at the end of every season.
 

Albertbarich

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I'm sorry I feel just as negative.

What awful turgid football, everton were no better and it produced the worst game since the restart.

Not having this talk about not wanting to win the fair play league either. Its just shit football and its not even producing consistent results

Also I've never seen a manager get favourites so quickly. Sissoko and lucas must have nudes because they're performances in no way reflect the amount he relies on them. Im sure they're nice guys but they're not great footballers.
 
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C0YS

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Still don't understand why Hugo was so mad at Son, he wouldn't have had much chance to help out the defence at all. It was Lucas who had that god awful pass (shock) that put the team under needless pressure. I can see why Son wasn't pleased about being singled out. Lo Celso didn't bust a nut either
It's an attitude thing. This is a really bad mentality to have, and if the players have it, it needs to change. You don't know how play develops. Yeh son is not going to like cover the same player who was on the ball, but he could get himself in the position of tracking someone who might come in with a late run.

Making mistake happens. And Lucas was very good defensively. It really not about mistakes its being able to react. This is a big problem because the lack of tracking back cost us the game against Sheffield more than any other thing. You can't defend well if everybody is not putting in the effort. Now under Poch we tended to defend in a very different way. A very different way, but we didn't punt the ball up field, or sit so deep either. If we are to play compact like we did today, against Man utd and against West Ham everybody needs to contribute and be away of potential problems coming from deep runs.

Against Sheffield two of the goals came as the result of a Centre Back coming forward and them overloading the box, without anyone tracking them. How can you defend in those situations? It's very easy to make a mistake in those circumstances.

I don't know about Lo Celso, he may not of bust a nut, but he didn't stop looking at the game entirely to be annoyed at losing the ball, like Son was straying in an offside position and allowing space in front for a Everton player to run into. It's not always about rushing back to the box, it is about being in a position which is useful.
 

Metalhead

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I'm sorry I feel just as negative.

What awful turgid football, everyone were no better and it produced the worst game since the restart.

Not having this talk about not wanting to win the fair play league either. Its just shit football and its not even producing consistent results

Also I've never seen a manager get favourites so quickly. Sissoko and lucas must have nudes because they're performances in no way reflect the amount he relies on them. Im sure they're nice guys but they're not great footballers.
People are going to have to get used to it because it’s going to be a long and probably painful at times rebuilding job.
 

Shadydan

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It's an attitude thing. This is a really bad mentality to have, and if the players have it, it needs to change. You don't know how play develops. Yeh son is not going to like cover the same player who was on the ball, but he could get himself in the position of tracking someone who might come in with a late run.

Making mistake happens. And Lucas was very good defensively. It really not about mistakes its being able to react. This is a big problem because the lack of tracking back cost us the game against Sheffield more than any other thing. You can't defend well if everybody is not putting in the effort. Now under Poch we tended to defend in a very different way. A very different way, but we didn't punt the ball up field, or sit so deep either. If we are to play compact like we did today, against Man utd and against West Ham everybody needs to contribute and be away of potential problems coming from deep runs.

Against Sheffield two of the goals came as the result of a Centre Back coming forward and them overloading the box, without anyone tracking them. How can you defend in those situations? It's very easy to make a mistake in those circumstances.

I don't know about Lo Celso, he may not of bust a nut, but he didn't stop looking at the game entirely to be annoyed at losing the ball, like Son was straying in an offside position and allowing space in front for a Everton player to run into. It's not always about rushing back to the box, it is about being in a position which is useful.

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Seriously though, the bad defending crept in when we stopped pressing, year fair enough we lost Walker and then Wanyama and Dembele but once we stopped pressing, we just generally looked bad, players were passing jobs onto other players and looked clueless.
 

C0YS

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I'm sorry I feel just as negative.

What awful turgid football, everyone were no better and it produced the worst game since the restart.

Not having this talk about not wanting to win the fair play league either. Its just shit football and its not even producing consistent results

Also I've never seen a manager get favourites so quickly. Sissoko and lucas must have nudes because they're performances in no way reflect the amount he relies on them. Im sure they're nice guys but they're not great footballers.
They work hard, and I don't get this sudden stick for Sissoko in particular. He has been injured for so long, and our performances without him have been complete rubbish. He wasn't favoured at the start, he didn't start first few games at all. But he runs a lot, covers ground and covers players backs. He was vital in our win today, so was Lucas, because they preformed excellently defensively and worked hard for the team.

That is why they play instead of more 'talented' players. Every single player in our team right now seems to be a scapegoat for somebody. The only ones who are not are the new signings, who are untouchable in some peoples eyes. This always happens. I'm gonna be honest here. While promising bergwijn hasn't been that special, he gives the ball a way a lot, doesn't create many opportunities and all that. But he has been promising, has a good shot on him been good on the counter all that. At the moment he's a hit, but give it a season and people will be on his back.

Moura hasn't been super great recently, though it confounds me how some people seem to think a player who has contributed so much for this club is suddenly a waste of space. He is a useful squad player, and he put in a real shift in today. He wins us free kicks under pressure constantly.

Sissoko, today, made a few great interceptions, relieved the pressure from us by going on a few runs and was very disciplined and solid team. He also hasn't played for ages but has contributed a lot, and for some bizarre reason we tend to play better with him in the side.

Also Ndombele would have been a really bad idea today, today was all about discipline, Ndombele is not disciplined as a player. I don't know why but he needs to learn that part of the game.
 

C0YS

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Seriously though, the bad defending crept in when we stopped pressing, year fair enough we lost Walker and then Wanyama and Dembele but once we stopped pressing, we just generally looked bad, players were passing jobs onto other players and looked clueless.
Under Poch, though I think this is a bit romantic. Because our best defensive side only pressed in moments. Often from the forward line yes, and we had a back 5.

But this is irrelevant. Because that not how Jose organises his team defensively. The roles are different the way he plays is different. Pressing can be effective, particularly from the forward three, sometimes 4. But that is an entirely different system and idea of football than Jose. What you need to do is completely different.
 

Dr Know

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Yeah, the game was a bit boring but I'll just take the win and be happy........even if we had won 10-9 I'd still be happy with a win
 
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