Jose Mourinho

rossdapep said:

Second season at Inter
Spend 87m
Sales 97m

so he effectively made the club money and won the treble.

Levy and him need to do the same here.

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A good starting point would be bringing in Campos.

Fittster said:

Poch had a track record at Southampton, the last time Jose operated with a small budget was at Porto.

The 2004-2005 season when he won the Premier League with a young squad, involved a spend of £149m, which allowing for inflation would be £224m today. I can see Levy funding that.

The season before that he spent £152m

The spending at Chelsea and United involved huge sums being thrown about.

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Poch brought no youth players through at Southampton, Nigel Adkins gave nearly all of those players their debuts and blooded them through. As I said Poch is great at developing young players arguably the best in the premier league in the last 10 years but he has not track record of bring youth through

Levy thought if he’d get a proven winner in then everything would sort itself out, and I fully get it and understand. But what he really needed was to back a full rebuild. We overestimated the longevity of this group.

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:

You know all that eh?

Come on John, lottery numbers, share the wealth.

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Do you think paying Jose £15m is a productive use of Spur's money? Only someone on the same wage of Klopp could deliver the points and performances we are currently seeing?

Fittster said:

Do you think paying Jose £15m is a productive use of Spur's money? Only someone on the same wage of Klopp could deliver the points and performances we are currently seeing?

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Your arguments are all over the place. Are you genuinely suggesting that Mourinho's wages are taking away from the playing squad and investment? Secondly - Klopp took how many seasons to get Liverpool where they are today?

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Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:

Your arguments are all over the place. Are you genuinely suggesting that Mourinho's wages are taking away from the playing squad and investment? Secondly - Klopp took how many seasons to get Liverpool where they are today?

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Klopp also finished in what position when he came to Liverpool midway through his first season?

(hint: it's the same position we're in right now)

Patience.

Spurs need a coach that can overachieve. Jose has proven in the past he can do this. He did it at Porto and he did it at Inter. The board needs to back him in the transfer window. Even if he has to deal with a load of loan signings, he needs more players.

Very impressed with his interviews lately, he is saying all the right things and is grinding out wins with a really unbalanced squad. We need to stop being soft and nice and change our attitude. If this bloke cant change the spurs attitude, no one can.

7 points out of 12 is a solid restart.

One of the few positives of Jose’s tenure so far is that the handful of casuals who started following us when we were fun and exciting for a couple of years under Poch will now have fucked off back to support Dortmund again.

Hazelton said:

I think the biggest worry for a lot if us isn't when Jose goes, because he almost certainly will leave within the next couple of seasons, but rather how long it takes to undo the damage and get back to playing attractive football. United are only just recovering and they've spent far more than we ever will along with a few stars emerging from their youth academy.

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I hear where you are coming from. And our displays have been getting progressively more stilted. But our issues don't all fall at the feet of Jose. The attractive football we all desire isn't suddenly going to spring to life if we switched our manager out for the likes of Julian Nagglesmann. He would have the same issues Poch and Jose have; there are far too many weak minded, uncaring, and regressive has-beens in the team to suddenly flip a switch and... Voila... expansive, beautiful football.

No coach can stop the likes of Aurier from being a brain-dead idiot at times, who cannot cross the ball. They can't suddenly teach Sissoko not to have a full blown panic attack when he is in the final third. They can't instruct Moura to improve his dreadful first touch. They will have little influence over Dele's petulant, useless flicks and tricks. They'll never transform Winks into a progressive midfielder. There is no such thing as an application/commitment transplant to get NDombele to give a shit. No matter what they try, there's not even a remote possibility at this point in time that they could get Kane to return his who he was two or three years ago. (at least not right away). They can't transform Dier into an international-level CB overnight. (that will take a lot of time). They can't reverse time and make Toby five years younger. There is not goalkeeper manual or coaching drills that would forever stop Lloris from having the occasional clanger. There nothing that can be done to inject a consistency serum into Son, so that he always has a purple patch. No matter how much they work with Davies, he'll never be more than an average left back.

Our problems can't all be pinned on the coach. Does that mean he is above or beyond reproach? Of course not. But I just don't get this narrative that the fans and some of the press have adopted when it comes to judging Jose. You would have thought he was some old fossil, coaching relic from the 1930s, that has been transported to a future that is completely beyond his understanding. For crying out loud... it's FOOTBALL. There is only so much coaching can do, and far too much of an emphasis is put on them. When in reality, all teams are the sum of their parts... (players, coaching, owners, facilities, stadium, fans and financial resources). No one person is responsible for the shambles we have become. It's a set of failures across the entire spectrum of our club. And I'm not sure kicking out Jose is the panacea some might wish for.

If it was that simple, I'd be all for it.

Sadly, it doesn't feel that way. And the fixes that need to be made will take time and patience.

This mini season has been a blessing. Most players back and Jose can actually see who wants to come along for the ride. I honestly think we’re going to surprise a lot of people next year.

synththfc said:

Klopp also finished in what position when he came to Liverpool midway through his first season?

(hint: it's the same position we're in right now)

Patience.

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On the topic of Klopp.

People have questioned why we have to be so defensive and that Klopp instilled his pressing system from day 1. That's true, he did.

But people need to realise that pressing is one of the easier aspects to instill into a team. It can be programmed in training very early and most teams will see a lift in motivation when a new coach comes in. A perfect ingredient for the press.

However, Klopp's first season was full of huge wins, huge defeats, throwing away 3-0 leads, losing 1-0 because they couldn't break teams down.

His second season was marginally better but not too much.

Even in his third season they threw away leads and we hammered them 4-1.

He was adament he would not be drawn into spending big. But finally admitted defeat and spent over 200m (Keita, Fabinho, VVD, Allison & Robertson) to completely renovate his defence. He then finally adapted his defensive system, not so gung ho, less heavy metal. If he hadn't he'd likely be still lightyears behind City.

The season they got to the CL final every one was questioning whether he was the right man and comparing his record to Rodgers.

Jose is a different coach, he prefers to lay the foundations first, get the defensive structure in place. Make sure defenders know their defensive responsibilities and positioning. Build a strong mentality. The expansive football comes after.

Last time out at Chelsea, his first season was not the best. Lots of scrappy wins, lots of bore draws in big games, a few games where his defence lost control. Second season he found the defence he trusted, added Fabrgeas and Costa and completely blitzed the league.

King of Otters said:

One of the few positives of Jose’s tenure so far is that the handful of casuals who started following us when we were fun and exciting for a couple of years under Poch will now have fucked off back to support Dortmund again.

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Also attendance has gone down, so hopefully tickets will go cheaper to get people in

stormfly said:

This mini season has been a blessing. Most players back and Jose can actually see who wants to come along for the ride. I honestly think we’re going to surprise a lot of people next year.

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In a good way hopefully!

Fittster said:

Do you think paying Jose £15m is a productive use of Spur's money? Only someone on the same wage of Klopp could deliver the points and performances we are currently seeing?

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Wish people would stop putting a halo on klopp.

Klopp is a very good manager but he took 2 seasons to start getting results, MASSIVELY helped by a miraculous £140m for coutinho that facilitated vvd and alisson plus they pay ridiculous agents fees that mean more often than not they get their first choice targets.

We're not too dissimilar. Our issues are deep though and will take longer than half a season to sort out. Yes, it's shit right now but not sure why you'd expect anything different in the short term. We need to stabilise before pushing upward again.

stormfly said:

This mini season has been a blessing. Most players back and Jose can actually see who wants to come along for the ride. I honestly think we’re going to surprise a lot of people next year.

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We’ve suprised a lot of people this year ?

rossdapep said:

Second season at Inter
Spend 87m
Sales 97m

so he effectively made the club money and won the treble.

Levy and him need to do the same here.

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Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:

Your arguments are all over the place. Are you genuinely suggesting that Mourinho's wages are taking away from the playing squad and investment? Secondly - Klopp took how many seasons to get Liverpool where they are today?

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It's a fairly simple concept, Spurs have a limited budget, if Jose is filling up his pension plan, with £15m a season, that money isn't being spent elsewhere.

You going to stop dodging the question and answer if you think that £15m is providing value for money?

Jose football currently resulting in Tottenham's non-pen xG Against in 2020 (now 12 games) ranks 20th/20. I'm sure that kind of football will pack out a 60K stadium.,

Fittster said:

It's a fairly simple concept, Spurs have a limited budget, if Jose is filling up his pension plan, with £15m a season, that money isn't being spent elsewhere.

You going to stop dodging the question and answer if you think that £15m is providing value for money?

Jose football currently resulting in Tottenham's non-pen xG Against in 2020 (now 12 games) ranks 20th/20. I'm sure that kind of football will pack out a 60K stadium.,

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You have dodged multiple questions banging on about the wage of the manager. Value for money? What are you fucking on about?

Fittster said:

It's a fairly simple concept, Spurs have a limited budget, if Jose is filling up his pension plan, with £15m a season, that money isn't being spent elsewhere.

You going to stop dodging the question and answer if you think that £15m is providing value for money?

Jose football currently resulting in Tottenham's non-pen xG Against in 2020 (now 12 games) ranks 20th/20. I'm sure that kind of football will pack out a 60K stadium.,

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Jose signed a 3.5 year contract not an 8 month contract so quite how you've come to the conclusion that his contract is proving value for money at the moment is anyone's guess...

dirtyh said:

Our issues are deep though and will take longer than half a season to sort out. Yes, it's shit right now but not sure why you'd expect anything different in the short term. We need to stabilise before pushing upward again.

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Look at the situation the club is in and then explain to me why Mourinho is the right man to push the team forward.

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:

You have dodged multiple questions banging on about the wage of the manager. Value for money? What are you fucking on about?

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Clearly the question has to be posed in very simple terms.

Do you think it requires one of the most highly paid managers on the plant to deliver the results we are currently seeing?