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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

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Why wouldn't he be?
He has a list of players he wants and probably doesn't want - he doesn't deal with the clubs directly himself does he? Poch was supposedly part of the committee yet by all accounts on here had no say - why would Jose be any different then?

lol
 

Albertbarich

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He has a list of players he wants and probably doesn't want - he doesn't deal with the clubs directly himself does he? Poch was supposedly part of the committee yet by all accounts on here had no say - why would Jose be any different then?

lol
The quote was about kyle walker Peters as to whether he comes back. Why wouldn't the football manager be in charge of that?

Your mocking tone is odd. I as a fan want the football manager to make football decisions not the chairman. I dont understand why any fan would want different to that.
 
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The quote was about kyle walker Peters as to whether he comes back. Why wouldn't the football manager be in charge of that?

Your mocking tone is odd. I as a fan want the football manager to make football decisions not the chairman. I dont understand why any fan would want different to that.
"but the general feeling is there's a place for him here. But if his desire is to leave the club in search of happiness I don't think we'd stop him."

... Not sure why drama?

I don't want different - that reads pretty simple like, to me.
 

Japhet

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Forget all of that stuff, the very least we can expect is decent football or some sign of progress towards decent football!
You can get bad footballers to play decent football just as much as you can get good footballers, which we have, to play bad football. Jose has got our team playing negative, defensive, boring football. It really is that simple. It is not even percentage football because you will always be up against it when you dont have the ball and dont have a cohesive plan of attack when you do have it.

Football has evolved in the last 5 or so years for 1 simple reason, the press. Managers have realised that the best way to both stop your opponents attacking and get your own team into good attacking positions is to press the ball high up the pitch. It has revolutionised football. On top of that, you can to some extent level the playing field between teams of different levels of ability. A less talented team, like sheffield utd, can press the living shit out of a more talented team, like spurs for example, and give themselves a much better chance of winning.

So if the argument, as many on here are saying, is that our players are crap and that is why we are struggling, then Jose should be trying to level the playing field by getting us to be aggressive and press the ball. Even if our attacking play is poor, which it wasnt previously, we would have a much better chance of scoring if we win the ball back in the opponents half.

If the argument is that our defence is shit, which again it wasnt, then Jose should be getting us to defend aggressively from the front by pressing the ball. You concede fewer chances if you restrict the opponents possession of the ball to their own half.

Either way, our players are super fit professional athletes, they can press the ball and that us exactly what they should be doing!

I'd say that this high press tactic was a direct response to the way Mourinho and some other managers at that time would set up to play. It was no use trying to play those teams at their own game because they were full of highly expensive and talented players. The only way to do it was to put pressure on them as far up the pitch as possible and try to force mistakes. Mourinho is still playing the same way after all of this time and when successful methods of dealing with it have been around for ages. I had some hope that the 'all new' Mourinho with his revolutionary brand of football would appear at some point, but I think Man Utd fans had the same hopes when he said the same things when he got that job.
 

buckley

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Their is no manager in charge of transfers except maybe the fella at Peterboro ( he owns the club ) at the end of the day the person that makes decisions is never the manager otherwise you would have a cartload of clubs going to the wall .
The manager tells the CEO what players he wants and does not want it is then left to the moneymen to decide what they can afford and what they cannot afford . As I say can you imagine leaving lets say Harry Redknapp in charge of transfers dear god we would probably have been in bankruptcy negotiations .
 

Albertbarich

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Their is no manager in charge of transfers except maybe the fella at Peterboro ( he owns the club ) at the end of the day the person that makes decisions is never the manager otherwise you would have a cartload of clubs going to the wall .
The manager tells the CEO what players he wants and does not want it is then left to the moneymen to decide what they can afford and what they cannot afford . As I say can you imagine leaving lets say Harry Redknapp in charge of transfers dear god we would probably have been in bankruptcy negotiations .

And thats reasonable except the quote was in reference to kwp coming back and he directly says I'm not in control of transfers.

Do I want jose to set his own budget? Of course not. Do I want him to choose positions and players he would like to strengthen and and have full aay on who leaves the squad? Yes. Unless he has a proper dof overseeing him which would be an experienced football person with hopefully extensive scouting and negotiating experience the managef should be making those decisions. Not a chairman who has never kicked a ball in anger.

This sums up so much of the issue with enic and why so many are sick of it. Even with a dof we would be having these issues because its always been this way. Not strengthening crucial areas, buying based on sell on value and not needs. Every single spurs manager under levy has fallen foul of it and even after the last comical window where we were begging for a back up striker, the whlle world knew it and yet again - nothing, were still having these debates.

I cant tell you if comolli or baldini did a good job , I cant tell you if poch knew how to pick a player because we all know we have a chairman who meddles and pisses about which clouds public responsibility. Somehow a section of the fanbase blames the manager despite the same thing happening with different managers.

No wonder we never have had a winning mentality. It allows the manager to shrug and say I didnt get the players. They don't care as they're reputation is somewhat protected by the excuse and they get the payout and we lose out.
 
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Their is no manager in charge of transfers except maybe the fella at Peterboro ( he owns the club )

Hmm. Darragh MacAnthony owns them, Barry Fry is the DoF, and I think Fergie's lad is still managing them.

They are, of course, all different people and not part of an M. Night Shamalamanalan character.
 

buckley

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I agree with you sausage but Darren Ferguson is long gone and B . Fry is there in a nominal position I think you will find .
The owner I think you will find at Peterboro is very much the man in charge I think .
But others may know more than I do .
 

he is you know!

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I agree with you sausage but Darren Ferguson is long gone and B . Fry is there in a nominal position I think you will find .
The owner I think you will find at Peterboro is very much the man in charge I think .
But others may know more than I do .

Live from a house in Peterborough I can confirm I've got no idea who does what in transfer dealings, but Fry is still involved. Ferguson has been back there a while.
 
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I agree with you sausage but Darren Ferguson is long gone and B . Fry is there in a nominal position I think you will find .
The owner I think you will find at Peterboro is very much the man in charge I think .
But others may know more than I do .

Long gone? No. Still there.
 

db1

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Dele was an open secret but that doesn't mean pleat wasnt the one pushing us to sign him.

I go to quite a few reserve games ,not just spurs ones either and pleat is always at our ones and I often see him at other games.
Might have been 'pushing us to sign him' but certainly didn't find him. I can imagine every club knew about him after scoring against Manchester United.
 

shelfboy68

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And thats reasonable except the quote was in reference to kwp coming back and he directly says I'm not in control of transfers.

Do I want jose to set his own budget? Of course not. Do I want him to choose positions and players he would like to strengthen and and have full aay on who leaves the squad? Yes. Unless he has a proper dof overseeing him which would be an experienced football person with hopefully extensive scouting and negotiating experience the managef should be making those decisions. Not a chairman who has never kicked a ball in anger.

This sums up so much of the issue with enic and why so many are sick of it. Even with a dof we would be having these issues because its always been this way. Not strengthening crucial areas, buying based on sell on value and not needs. Every single spurs manager under levy has fallen foul of it and even after the last comical window where we were begging for a back up striker, the whlle world knew it and yet again - nothing, were still having these debates.

I cant tell you if comolli or baldini did a good job , I cant tell you if poch knew how to pick a player because we all know we have a chairman who meddles and pisses about which clouds public responsibility. Somehow a section of the fanbase blames the manager despite the same thing happening with different managers.

No wonder we never have had a winning mentality. It allows the manager to shrug and say I didnt get the players. They don't care as they're reputation is somewhat protected by the excuse and they get the payout and we lose out.
I guess he is saying that managers at spurs do control transfers because someone else does.
:whistle: :X3:
 

Thewobbler

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I really hope he gets some decent transfer funds this window or we manage to do some decent swap deals. We are desperate for a DM. That should be one of the first positions we should be buying for. Followed by LB and back up striker. If ndom isnt wanted then we should ask barca for a swap with coutinho.

Jose really needs to settle on a CB pairing as well. I think thats a key area that needs consistency.
 

thekneaf

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I think that's the right attitude to take. I like KWP, he comes across as a lovely guy, I saw him play a few youth games and he was on a different planet to those around him. He'd run a game from fullback. But, he never really developed physically and this makes his career path much harder.

I would love him to stay and fight for a place, but the reality is for his own development he should move on.

Also, he added more. 'good value in the market'. It sounds like we think we could get a decent sum from him to reinvest.
Yeah i agree, it also suggests that KWP could get win him over. There are games left for him to continue to impress
 

fishhhandaricecake

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"I'm not in control of transfers"

What the hell is going on at this club.
Literally was just about to post this!
why does every single one of our managers say this!
this is the sole reason why levy HAS to step away from the football side of the club fucks sake, beyond a joke. Business people making football decisions doesn’t end well for success on the pitch ever.

how can Jose or any other manger build a squad to suit his style and needs if someone else if deciding who stays and goea, what a fucking shambles. Was fuming to hear that yet again from another spurs manager.
 

shelfboy68

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Literally was just about to post this!
why does every single one of our managers say this!
this is the sole reason why levy HAS to step away from the football side of the club fucks sake, beyond a joke. Business people making football decisions doesn’t end well for success on the pitch ever.

how can Jose or any other manger build a squad to suit his style and needs if someone else if deciding who stays and goea, what a fucking shambles. Was fuming to hear that yet again from another spurs manager.
I think you mean business people making business decisions, the football part is secondary to the multi national entertainment group.
 

danielneeds

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Literally was just about to post this!
why does every single one of our managers say this!
this is the sole reason why levy HAS to step away from the football side of the club fucks sake, beyond a joke. Business people making football decisions doesn’t end well for success on the pitch ever.

how can Jose or any other manger build a squad to suit his style and needs if someone else if deciding who stays and goea, what a fucking shambles. Was fuming to hear that yet again from another spurs manager.
To be fair, I dont think there are many clubs anymore where the manager is in sole charge of transfers. Klopp isn’t at Liverpool where there is Edwards and a committee, for instance.

The difference with us though is maybe that Levy is too hands-on and reluctant to cede control anymore. He’s been on the throne a long time and doesn’t seem to delegate well these days.
 

DiVaio

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Literally was just about to post this!
why does every single one of our managers say this!
this is the sole reason why levy HAS to step away from the football side of the club fucks sake, beyond a joke. Business people making football decisions doesn’t end well for success on the pitch ever.

how can Jose or any other manger build a squad to suit his style and needs if someone else if deciding who stays and goea, what a fucking shambles. Was fuming to hear that yet again from another spurs manager.
It's the same for every manager in the world.
 
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