David Brooks

mr ashley · Jul 29, 2020

Always appreciate it when someone goes to the effort

C0YS said:
Well yes, I have gone over the top. But, he would look much better if he was given more space to do so.

Lamela's end product is more middling then poor tbh. I will compare with a similar player in Willian

19/20 Goals 4 Assists 6 (G/A every 166 mins) Willian Goals 11 Assists 9 (G/A every 168)
18/19 Goals 6 Assists 3 (G/a every 172 mins) Willian Goals 8 Assists 14 (G/A every 161 mins)
17/18 Goals 4 Assists 7 (G/A every 125 mins) Willian goals 13 Assists 12 (G/A every 122 mins)
16/17 Goals 2 Assists 7 (G/A every 105 mins) Willian goals 12 Assists 5 (G/A every 119mins)
15/16 Goals 11 Assists 10 (G/A every 146 mins) Willian goals 11 Assists 10 (G/A every 161 minutes)
14/15 Goals 5 Assists 10 (G/A every 195) Willian Goals 4 Assists 5 (G/A every 362 mins)

These are not bad stats. Pre injury he was actually reaching a point of being very productive. Post injury he has become more comfortable with being a player who brings aggression and bite rather than trying to be an out and out creator, while still averaging more than 10 goal involvements a season. As I expected, Willian, also a player not known for his output but other things he contributes to the team, has a remarkably similar productivity rate. If Lamela was playing regularly he should be hitting about 10 goals and 10 assists per season, those are far from bad numbers.

People talk about Madison being good and all but his stats are not particularly better, in fact they are actually way worse! For a team that has also created more goals than us.

Maddison has
9 goals 3 assists in 3091 minutes. 12 goal involvements in 3091 mins. So if my maths is right, Maddison is involved in a goal every 257 mins. Lamela has never had stats that low in a single season with us (his first season was G/A in every 190m). Similarly, he has also hit a better rate every season than Jack Grealish has this season, Jack is on a goal involvement every 197 mins.

So Lamela's rate is not bad. It's not bad at all. It's just not elite level, but playing regularly he is someone you would expect to be getting around 20-25 goal involvements in all competitions a season. That is very respectable and in line with typical squad AM's in the top 6. The thing is most of these players, Grealish, Brooks etc. are way more likely to do something similar to what Lamela does in terms of productivity, than become the next Son or Eriksen. Those kind of stats are stuff that only very few players can hit.

Always appreciate it when someone goes to the effort of identifying stats, which are useful here.

It would be really easy to be facetious and sugggest we sign Willian- who your stats show to be involved in almost double the goals of lamela in the last few seasons.
I do agree that it’s hard to sign a player who would bring Eriksen levels- although potentially that was lo celso & Ndombele.
Maybe Willian and brooks would be a good pair of signings?
I do, however, think that selling Lamela would prove difficult, not least because I don’t think he’d want to leave

emiley heskey · Jul 29, 2020

spursfan77 said:
Eze world class? That’s a fucking huge stretch. He’s only played a handful of games in the championship. I’m not saying Brooks is the answer but saying things like that is just ridiculous. I’m not even sure Grealish has the potential to raise his game to the next level let alone be called world class. Kane is world class, Salah, Mane world class, Sterling, KDB are world class. That’s the level you’re talking about using those words. Grealish and Eze are miles away from that at this minute in time and are highly unlikely to get there.

I didn't say grealish or eze are world class .. May be i put it in wrong way, what i meant is eze or grealish have world class potential while i don't think brooks has that potential in his game

spursfan77 · Jul 29, 2020

emiley heskey said:
I didn't say grealish or eze are world class .. May be i put it in wrong way, what i meant is eze or grealish have world class potential while i don't think brooks has that potential in his game

I think it is a massive unknown to say they have the level of potential only a handful of players in the league have. They’re much more likely to go the other way and just be average PL players, which is obviously no bad thing.

Had we signed Grealish in 2018 like we should of done and he was producing Eriksen level numbers for us the you could say he’d be approaching it but that’s all. That’s the level. Can he do it now, 2 years older, at a bigger club? That’s the question. I don’t think we will find out next season though if Villa are pricing him at £80m. Nobody is paying that.

DannyNZ · Jul 29, 2020

Terrific player and if we decide to try to play some football he’d fit in nicely. Plays with his head up, picks nice passes and can hang onto the ball, I’d take him over Grealish and Maddison.

Klinsmannic · Jul 29, 2020

He could become a starter for us. Would be a nightmare for defences when we're on the break and could also help unlock teams that sit back.

He's better than Cantwell imo, who seems to be getting all the hype.

daryl hannah · Jul 29, 2020

Klinsmannic said:
He could become a starter for us. Would be a nightmare for defences when we're on the break and could also help unlock teams that sit back.

He's better than Cantwell imo, who seems to be getting all the hype.

Cantwell is very tenacious and gets stuck in defensively.

Brooks has a bit of tenacity about him, but has the vision, acceleration and through-ball or finish that other candidates might not.

A bit of ITK to back this info up wouldn't go amiss!

BringBack_leGin · Jul 29, 2020

Brooks is so suited to how Mou wants to play it’ll be criminal if we don’t at least try for him and a Leicester or Everton get him on a bargain.

dk-yid · Jul 29, 2020

Chirpystheman said:
This might be why some rate him. If he can get back to this level he could be class. Who knows what his injury has done to him. He has a very high ceiling

This boy would have 25 assists this season if Bournemouth weren't so ridiculously shit in front of goal.

Teddy Klinsmann · Jul 29, 2020

I’d put him almost at the top of potential signings this summer. Definitely has the ability to replace Eriksen. He was fantastic in his break through season. If he was Dutch and playing at Ajax this forum would break down.

Cornpattbuck · Jul 29, 2020

dk-yid said:
This boy would have 25 assists this season if Bournemouth weren't so ridiculously shit in front of goal.

Quite an achievement in seven appearances.

kent brockman · Jul 29, 2020

So where would we play him? AMC instead of Dele in a 4-2-3-1? Or WF in a 4-3-3?

Klinsmannic · Jul 29, 2020

kent brockman said:
So where would we play him? AMC instead of Dele in a 4-2-3-1? Or WF in a 4-3-3?

He seems to be versatile. Anywhere in the 3 in a 4231, on the right in a 442 or even 433.

allpaths · Jul 29, 2020

I want to sign him and Eze we need quality options.

garryparkerschest · Jul 29, 2020

It's all about the squad, if he's willing to fight for his place I would welcome him with open arms.

It also depends on what formation we'll be playing next season and who we're keeping.

I can't see us having Lamela, Son, Bergwijn, Moura, NDombele, Lo Cleso, Sissoko, Dele, Winks and Brooks. That's a lot of competition.

The advantage Brooks has is that he can play deep as well as further up the pitch.

roy@SC · Jul 29, 2020

I do like the look of Brooks, pre injury he was fantastic and exactly the type of player that we would traditionally bring in. I'd be hopeful we sign him.

freeeki · Jul 29, 2020

Yeah the more I think about this one, the more I want us to sign him tbh

wrd · Jul 29, 2020

Chirpystheman said:
This might be why some rate him. If he can get back to this level he could be class. Who knows what his injury has done to him. He has a very high ceiling

Not a good highlight reel for Wilson though :cautious:

Goobers · Jul 29, 2020

BringBack_leGin said:
Brooks is so suited to how Mou wants to play it’ll be criminal if we don’t at least try for him and a Leicester or Everton get him on a bargain.

I do wonder whether not signing a slyer like this is an indciation the manager wants to play 433 or 4-4-2. IN which case an to and out 10 probably would be difficult to shoe horn in wouldn't it ?

dSSAbr · Jul 29, 2020

I love David Brooks, really think there is potential for a special player there. I can see him doing really well as a RW if Mou keeps favouring the RB as an attacker, Brooks is really good cutting inside and making plays through the middle. Our RW when Serge was going up, usually would be in a position that resembles a number 10 role. Initially a backup role would be perfect, and if Dele rediscover his football, would be a perfect complement to Brooks as a CAM/CF and Brooks playing as a RW that in game mostly plays as a CAM.

emiley heskey · Jul 29, 2020

Goobers said:
I do wonder whether not signing a slyer like this is an indciation the manager wants to play 433 or 4-4-2. IN which case an to and out 10 probably would be difficult to shoe horn in wouldn't it ?

Brooks is not traditional number 10

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