Dirtysanchez6
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League cup fa cup or Europa league anyone of them will do and I’ll be happy ! Realistically 5/6 in the league looking at how this window seems to be going
Realistic expectations for 2020-21?
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bigpalacios
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What about Porto, was that a fluke?
yiddo
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Transfer strategy drives the fans expectations for sure. What drives Levy & co's transfer strategy.... in most cases over recent years a zero net spend seems the goal.
Spurs 1961
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Top 6 is probably the best we can do. Let’s hope we don’t drop further behind but there are a number of teams on the rise as we decline
Would agree.
Last season it was Liverpool, City and us with an outside chance. Not sure why that would suddenly change that dramatically?
I find it unlikely that we would do worse than we did this season. Not impossible, but unlikely. I think we got a lot more to come from:
N'Dombele (can't do worse), Dier (even if he isn't good just being average for a whole season will be a boost), Sanchez (looked useful again under Mourinho), Lo Celso (clearly trending up), Alli (a bit similar to Dier - he hasn't been horrible, but realistically can he do worse?) and Bergwijn (looks like a very talented player to me that with better fitness should be very useful).
Obviously all teams got underperformers, but N'Dombele and Lo Celso are potentially world class. Alli and Bergwijn are potentially very very good. Not sure if many of the other "top teams" got that much untapped potential?
As for full backs can we get less from them next season than we did this when you look at all 38 games? I doubt it. Even average FBs for 38 games would help.
Doesn't mean that I think we just have to do so much better next season, but if we can get going properly, build some confidence, I think we can get passed 80 points and from there anything could happen. When Leicester can almost manage that why would it be out of reach for us?
Most likely we will fight for 3rd with Utd and Chelsea in my opinion. But top 2 would be in sight, but so would also falling down to 6-7th of course.
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You're wasting your time. You'll get a magic reason as to why that doesn't count
SecretLemonadeDrinker
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How do you work that out?
Players already left:
Vertonghen
Vorm
Players strongly rumoured to be leaving:
KWP
Aurier
Ndombele
Foyth
Rose
Of them all, only Serge played anything like regularly. And it hardly needs pointing out that, for all that he is a great character (and that he earned our love and admiration for the courage and dignity he showed after the tragic death of his brother), nigh on 100% of Spurs fans would say that he simply isn't good enough - either in defence or attack - for a team that aspires to challenge for trophies and top four.
Of the others, only Vertonghen and Ndombele played much of a role. Jan is clearly in decline and nothing like the great player he once was. Very sad to see him go but he is no longer up to the physicality of Premier League football. His positive contribution to last season was limited, at best. Ndombele showed glimpses of his immense talent and potential. But glimpses aren't anything like enough. Again, his positive contribution to last season was sporadic.
In other words, there isn't a single player rumoured to be leaving, or who has left, whose absence next season will make us worse than we were this season.
As to strongly rumoured incomings:
Hojbjerg
Kim Min Jae
Aarons
Celik
Castagne
Eze
Brooks
Wilson
Deeney
Not a list of names to set pulses racing or attract the envy of rival fans, to be sure. But this window isn't about star names. It's about filling gaping holes in the squad. It's about putting the right pieces in the right places. It's about making us a solid team again. We don't need spectacular signings. We need intelligent signings. Signing Hojbjerg, in particular, will instantly make us a much better, more solid team. As will a reliable right back. And a backup striker will give us options and the ability to rest a hitherto vastly overused Harry Kane - which might hopefully help him to avoid missing three months or more through injury, as has become the norm in recent seasons. What price on that?
Throw into the mix that we've already seen emerging signs of the players finally starting to understand what Jose wants from them (and that he and Sacramento will have a further, albeit abbreviated, pre-season in which to hone pattern of play) and I see not the remotest possibility that we will be worse in 2020-21 than we were in 2019-20. We will be better. No doubt about it.
The only question is whether that will be enough to make top four and win silverware. We shall see.
homer hotspur
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My expectation is that when the season starts, we will need to manage our expectations.
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Love us to win something. Challenge for stuff. Champions league for all the junior accountants out there. One of our youth to be a regular by the end of the season would be grand too.
I think people are overrating our rivals a touch.
Man Utd finished the season on 66 points, exactly the same as the previous season. For all the praise they've gotten for their attacking play, they only scored 66 league goals. That's only 5 more than us, and they needed a record breaking 14 penalties to help them do it.
Chelsea also finished on 66 points, 6 points less than the previous season. They conceded more than any time in the top half and also lost the joint most of any team in the top half. They've made big name signings but they've strengthened in positions they were already strong in. There's no guarantee that their big signings will hit the ground running, particularly Ziyech, and there's a risk of unsettling the young English players that served Lampard so well at the start of the season.
Both teams have inexperienced managers who are suddenly going to have a lot more pressure on them after spending big money. Lampard especially. He had a low bar to hit after joining during a transfer ban and losing Hazard, but they'll be expecting to improve on a 4th place position next season. I don't think he has the ability to organise a defence well enough to do that and I don't think he'll have much time to get it right after spending big on 2 attacking players.
United showed improvements after the restart, but the only tough matches they had were against us and Leicester, and they were utterly uninspriring in both games, needing penalties in both games just to get on the scoresheet. I don't see Solskjaer suddenly improving on their weaknesses. And again, he'll have more pressure on him in his 3rd season and after spending big on a few players.
Man Utd finished the season on 66 points, exactly the same as the previous season. For all the praise they've gotten for their attacking play, they only scored 66 league goals. That's only 5 more than us, and they needed a record breaking 14 penalties to help them do it.
Chelsea also finished on 66 points, 6 points less than the previous season. They conceded more than any time in the top half and also lost the joint most of any team in the top half. They've made big name signings but they've strengthened in positions they were already strong in. There's no guarantee that their big signings will hit the ground running, particularly Ziyech, and there's a risk of unsettling the young English players that served Lampard so well at the start of the season.
Both teams have inexperienced managers who are suddenly going to have a lot more pressure on them after spending big money. Lampard especially. He had a low bar to hit after joining during a transfer ban and losing Hazard, but they'll be expecting to improve on a 4th place position next season. I don't think he has the ability to organise a defence well enough to do that and I don't think he'll have much time to get it right after spending big on 2 attacking players.
United showed improvements after the restart, but the only tough matches they had were against us and Leicester, and they were utterly uninspriring in both games, needing penalties in both games just to get on the scoresheet. I don't see Solskjaer suddenly improving on their weaknesses. And again, he'll have more pressure on him in his 3rd season and after spending big on a few players.
ardiles&villa
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I think it’s very difficult for any team never mind our squad to do well in the league and to win a trophy at the same time...I would like both but if push came to come, I’d take winning the Europa league
Monkey boy
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great post but I’ve got to ask if you realise what your username means or was it an unfortunate coincidence?
What secret lemonade drinker posted makes you realise if his predicted out's happen and his predicted buys happen then we will be by a big margin better than last year and would make me feel real optimism for next season .
Not just because his buys are an upgrade but they would cover three of our main weaknesses / right back / holding midfield / another centre foreword who could play when Kane rested or indeed start alongside Kane .
His suggested buys gives us options we dont have now .
Not just because his buys are an upgrade but they would cover three of our main weaknesses / right back / holding midfield / another centre foreword who could play when Kane rested or indeed start alongside Kane .
His suggested buys gives us options we dont have now .
AllReb
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No
He’s a great manager and we’re lucky to have him
Europa, Top 4 and good domestic cup runs is realistic
shelfboy68
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Difference being is that our rivals are in a position to attract the better players, Chelsea have started, utd will get Sancho, city have and will spend big to improve.
Unfortunately we are in the position of filling gaps with what's left the average to good signings.
Let's face it can anyone see the club pulling off a real top class signing this summer, the answer is no they will all be marginally better than what we have.
Like we did with N'Dombele and Lo Celso?
We became a contender by signing players like Alli, Son, Dier etc.
Liverpool didn't buy van Dijk, Mane, Firmino and Salah because they outbid City, Utd etc.
And how did Chelsea "overtake" us? By having a transfer ban?
For me what matters most is to get a group that offers the right kind of balance in player types. Obviously more money would make it easier, but it isn't just about buying the most expensive player. I do wonder if we got blinded by that last summer when we clearly had money to spend. Before we were "brave" because we had to.
Actually quite shocking in general how little value the most expensive players offer. Not only for Spurs. Sanchez anyone? Torres? Doesn't mean I don't want expensive players, but far to simplistic to say it is all about money when strengthening.
shelfboy68
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Not sure we was ever a contender but I get your point as the other four clubs, whilst nothing is ever guaranteed all of them significantly increase their chances each time of competing.
And to be fair all of them with the exception of us win things, so while your right a balanced squad is a positive for sure, the chances of success are greatly increased when you can go big.
SecretLemonadeDrinker
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A central midfield with Hojbjerg instead of one or both of Winks and Sissoko will be vastly better than the central midfield we have had to make do with this season. Huge upgrade. Not because Hojbjerg is top, top class. It’s simply that he can do the required job that the other two can’t.
That change alone will greatly enhance our prospects.
