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EJWTartanSpur

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He joined us at the peak of our international reputation off the back of the CL final, and as stated by himself, in depth conversations with Pochettino swung it for him. I’d imagine that looking from the outside in, we seemed like a rock solid move to a club that was on an upward projection with related solid finishes around 2nd-3rd and with a well cemented top notch manager. Little did he probably realise that there were some rotten aspects to our core with a jaded squad and manager that had been underperforming for a length of time despite the CL run.

With our bad start and manager implosion it seems likely that he has simply downed tools and thrown the towel in at the first sign of adversity, most likely perceiving that this is not what he signed up for.

Despite that, it’s completely unacceptable and shows that he simply probably doesn’t have the attitude to recover with us. It smells like a player who has simply decided that he is a big enough name and prospect to abandon ship for another big club, instead of fighting to overcome unforeseen events.

We need to try and recycle as much money as possible out of this and sign a different player who is committed, keen to join us and has the attitude to get stuck in and bust his balls under Mourinho
 

mr ashley

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So depressing. For us to make this kind of step forward in the transfer market, only to spend it on the worst kind of player is truly galling.
Can only hope we can get rid of him quickly (and hopefully replace him with Sabitzer).
Was looking forward to seeing him and Lo Celso in front of hojbjerg.
Time for Daniel to swallow his pride I feel
 

McFlash

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For me the jury is out on Mourinho, I like some things I have seen and disliked others, just think it is easy to get carried away by the results and we should be wary of the fact that he has driven away world class players based on "bad attitude" who have not had that issue anywhere else. Obviously the ITK indicating multiple sources saying this training attitude is a problem is bad news, but again, I tend to think his performances showed good attitude and ability. Just want a long term approach.
Although it's not really a conversation to be had in this thread, Jose has not driven away 'world class players' because of 'bad attitude'.
There is absolutely not evidence to suggest that he has, it's just lazy excuses given by those who dislike the man and are looking for an excuse to attack him.
 

glacierSpurs

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Record signings hardly make it with us somehow. So scared of that now. But on the positive side, I guess it will be some time until another one signs for more than Tanguy's fee.
 

Mr Pink

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I have absolutely no faith that if we were to sell it would be reinvested correctly

Why? Its Mourinho who would be having most of the say - within reason. He's doing a good job so far identifying players we need and within our budget.

The far bigger problem is getting someone to buy Ndombele for a fee similar to what we paid.
 

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He joined us at the peak of our international reputation off the back of the CL final, and as stated by himself, in depth conversations with Pochettino swung it for him. I’d imagine that looking from the outside in, we seemed like a rock solid move to a club that was on an upward projection with related solid finishes around 2nd-3rd and with a well cemented top notch manager. Little did he probably realise that there were some rotten aspects to our core with a jaded squad and manager that had been underperforming for a length of time despite the CL run.

With our bad start and manager implosion it seems likely that he has simply downed tools and thrown the towel in at the first sign of adversity, most likely perceiving that this is not what he signed up for.

Despite that, it’s completely unacceptable and shows that he simply probably doesn’t have the attitude to recover with us. It smells like a player who has simply decided that he is a big enough name and prospect to abandon ship for another big club, instead of fighting to overcome unforeseen events.

We need to try and recycle as much money as possible out of this and sign a different player who is committed, keen to join us and has the attitude to get stuck in and bust his balls under Mourinho

Using our adversity as an excuse doesn't wash with me, as we also had Lo Celso come in for big money in the same TW and look at how he has grafted throughout the season.

Top players carry their teams through difficult periods, they don't hide away from them.
 

ardiles&villa

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Why? Its Mourinho who would be having most of the say - within reason. He's doing a good job so far identifying players we need and within our budget.

The far bigger problem is getting someone to buy Ndombele for a fee similar to what we paid.
The reason being is if Tanguy is so unprofessional then recruitment and our scouting should have spotted it...I don’t buy that it was all down to Poch, you can’t have it both ways. I also think that levy wouldn’t reinvest considering the economics of the club if we were to get the money back
 

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I feel like José Mourinho has reprised the role of Edward James Olmos (Eric Cartman) in “Stand and Deliver” with regards to Tanguy Ndombele. Instead of “reaching the kids,” in this version the kids said “screw you, Mr. Escalante” and beat the shit out of him and that’s the ending.
 
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Mr Pink

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The reason being is if Tanguy is so unprofessional then recruitment and our scouting should have spotted it...I don’t buy that it was all down to Poch, you can’t have it both ways. I also think that levy wouldn’t reinvest considering the economics of the club if we were to get the money back

I think its different under Mourinho. Levy will have more respect, likewise Mourinho has the maturity to understand the constraints he's working under.

I think they'll have a better working relationship than Levy had with Poch.
 

ardiles&villa

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I think its different under Mourinho. Levy will have more respect, likewise Mourinho has the maturity to understand the constraints he's working under.

I think they'll have a better working relationship than Levy had with Poch.
I hope your right, I’m just a bit more gloomy with regards to how things have been done around the club recently..I find it hard to see that levy will just allow Mourinho to do his thing
 

Snarfalicious

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I hope your right, I’m just a bit more gloomy with regards to how things have been done around the club recently..I find it hard to see that levy will just allow Mourinho to do his thing

I would typically agree as ‘Levy being Levy’ and all. I think the difference is both Levy and Mourinho have a lot to lose/prove right now. Levy is trying to show it was the right decision to move on from an enormous fan favorite and replacing him with a guy who pretty much was considered questionable in terms of his persona and ability to be successful in the modern game. Mourinho is also trying to prove he still has ‘it’ And can operate within the confines of what our club can afford even without Covid-19. All that makes for two powerful guys absolutely needing to sing from the same hymn sheet. Let’s hope that’s the case as the ITK has been positive on that front.
 
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