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allpaths

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Obviously not every high potential youngster makes it, but there’s a lot of high quality youth there. White and Skipp is a very conceivable future double pivot, Cirkin and Tanganga’s potential is very evident, and Parrott looks potentially lethal. Then you’ve got Devine (who reminds me of Nick Barmby), Clarke and Sessegnon as a potential AM3 and it’s time to start dreaming about our own version of Peps Barca.

GK
Rb Tanganga CB Cirkin
Skipp White
Clarke Devine Sessegnon
Parrott​

Even if only three of those players hit the levels we hope of them, it’s an incredible achievement from the club, but if they all did it’d feel amazing. Always easier to fall in love with your ownyouth products.
Yeah and we got dermi lusala who's a big time prospect at rb.
 

Westmorlandspur

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One of them replaced a right back, so assume it's still Ferguson
I watched the Orient game and there must be a chance that we will sign Ferguson. He looked far better than any of our under 23 defenders, Fb or cb he hasn’t just turned up looking for a club. There is a reason he hasn’t signed for Sheffield u. They wanted him. Perhaps we have tapped him up and just wanting to make sure. No risk signing...certainly better than Shilow Tracy who we paid money for.
It’s only one game but sometimes that’s enough.
 

beats1

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Have we quietly massed a group of U21's that are extremely talented and it's somewhat going under the radar?

It seems to me because we haven't had a standout year group for a while and that we've been signing players here and there, that it's gone a bit unnoticed, unlike with the Kane, Mason, Carroll, Pritchard and Townsend group or the KWP, Onomah, CCV, Winks and Edwards groups.

But in Cirkin, Clarke, Parrott, Tanganga, Skipp, Sessegnon, White and Devine, we've got a group of U21's players who seem to be more talented than what we'd typically have coming through.

I found the glimpses we saw in pre season so encouraging. Even Devine's few minutes really caught my eye. I'd watched everything of him on YT, so knew he was technically gifted, but from the few touches he got in the friendly, you could see there is something so classy about the way he plays.
Tanganga is from the same age group as Edwards and Sessegnon is only a year younger
 

C0YS

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Have we quietly massed a group of U21's that are extremely talented and it's somewhat going under the radar?

It seems to me because we haven't had a standout year group for a while and that we've been signing players here and there, that it's gone a bit unnoticed, unlike with the Kane, Mason, Carroll, Pritchard and Townsend group or the KWP, Onomah, CCV, Winks and Edwards groups.

But in Cirkin, Clarke, Parrott, Tanganga, Skipp, Sessegnon, White and Devine, we've got a group of U21's players who seem to be more talented than what we'd typically have coming through.

I found the glimpses we saw in pre season so encouraging. Even Devine's few minutes really caught my eye. I'd watched everything of him on YT, so knew he was technically gifted, but from the few touches he got in the friendly, you could see there is something so classy about the way he plays.
It's not even that quiet. in 18/19 our under 18s were very unlucky not to reach the final, and only lost 2 games all season. The performance is right up there with the first group you mentioned. The main difference is we are a lot harder to break into compared to back then, I would only expect Skipp and Parrott from that specific season to make it here, but there has been plenty to suggest we have a talented bunch.
 

coy-spurs1882

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Obviously not every high potential youngster makes it, but there’s a lot of high quality youth there. White and Skipp is a very conceivable future double pivot, Cirkin and Tanganga’s potential is very evident, and Parrott looks potentially lethal. Then you’ve got Devine (who reminds me of Nick Barmby), Clarke and Sessegnon as a potential AM3 and it’s time to start dreaming about our own version of Peps Barca.

GK
Rb Tanganga CB Cirkin
Skipp White
Clarke Devine Sessegnon
Parrott​

Even if only three of those players hit the levels we hope of them, it’s an incredible achievement from the club, but if they all did it’d feel amazing. Always easier to fall in love with your ownyouth products.
i think you can add BLF (CB) to the list. hopefully this time we will properly utilise loan system to help our youngsters to fulfill their potential
 

FibreOpticJesus

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I actually think Jack Roles should be on the bench a few times during our busy start when not everybody is up to speed.
As he has not been part of our pre-season games I get the feeling he isn’t going to make it at Spurs. He might get a game on Saturday vs Watford because a lot of our squad are on international duty.
 

carpediem991

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As he has not been part of our pre-season games I get the feeling he isn’t going to make it at Spurs. He might get a game on Saturday vs Watford because a lot of our squad are on international duty.


To give Scarlett and Devine run outs in friendlies is one thing, but when you want to advance in the League Cup or secure a win in Bulgaria I would rather have a bit more experienced players in the side that could actually contribute while giving a few of our core a break.
 

IGSpur

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ave we quietly massed a group of U21's that are extremely talented and it's somewhat going under the radar?

It seems to me because we haven't had a standout year group for a while and that we've been signing players here and there, that it's gone a bit unnoticed, unlike with the Kane, Mason, Carroll, Pritchard and Townsend group or the KWP, Onomah, CCV, Winks and Edwards groups.

But in Cirkin, Clarke, Parrott, Tanganga, Skipp, Sessegnon, White and Devine, we've got a group of U21's players who seem to be more talented than what we'd typically have coming through.

I found the glimpses we saw in pre season so encouraging. Even Devine's few minutes really caught my eye. I'd watched everything of him on YT, so knew he was technically gifted, but from the few touches he got in the friendly, you could see there is something so classy about the way he plays.

I wouldn't say more talented but arguably as talented. The players you have mentioned cover six year groups. On average I reckon we produce 2/3 players per year group who I believe are good enough for our first team, and more that are PL level. It's just some year groups have 1 or 2 players, one year group could have 5. You only need one or two to be good enough and we've always had that. The reason it's gone unnoticed is because an academy output is only judged on what players make the first team, and so it is heavily dependent on the manager.

It's funny, people were so low on our academy and now everyone is excited. I wold say 'what's changed?' but I know it's the manager.

If a manager isn't playing the players people assume that they aren't any good. A new manager comes in with the exact same players and has a different approach and the opinion has now shifted. I said all last season, when people were complaining and comparing us to the other academies, that we have been consistently producing top quality players, but everyone was so down and assumed all our players were rubbish. The reason these players appear to be have been amassed quietly is because just last season people seemed to think they were rubbish. I'll link my posts in response to everyone saying we aren't producing players anymore, if you want to have a read.


And halfway down this post https://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/spurs-youth-2019-20.137551/page-38#post-6533861

It's not even that quiet. in 18/19 our under 18s were very unlucky not to reach the final, and only lost 2 games all season. The performance is right up there with the first group you mentioned. The main difference is we are a lot harder to break into compared to back then, I would only expect Skipp and Parrott from that specific season to make it here, but there has been plenty to suggest we have a talented bunch.

Agree.

I think our current set of youngsters is one of the strongest in a long time Parrott, Skipp, White, Cirkin, Bennett, Fagen-Walcott, Jack Roles and Tanganga if you still count him.

Like, Parrott and Skipp are as hyped as you can be at their ages, ok both are on loan, but Cirkin and White again, very well considered.

Onomah KWP and Edwards or Parrott, Skipp, Cirkin and White. I think I actually prefer the later group. OK not as exciting as the first one but I'm very excited about Parrott and Skipp and both of those players are more part of the first team at a younger age than any of the former three.

I also saw you make this post a few days back, and I was going to respond but a few days went by and I couldn't be arsed to bring it back up.

Having watched a load of them I personally would say the first 3 were better than the next 4, but the 4 you mentioned are all talented, and quite frankly 3 of them would probably make my top 10 list of players I've seen, which shows how close it is.
 

IGSpur

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Obviously not every high potential youngster makes it, but there’s a lot of high quality youth there. White and Skipp is a very conceivable future double pivot, Cirkin and Tanganga’s potential is very evident, and Parrott looks potentially lethal. Then you’ve got Devine (who reminds me of Nick Barmby), Clarke and Sessegnon as a potential AM3 and it’s time to start dreaming about our own version of Peps Barca.

GK
Rb Tanganga CB Cirkin
Skipp White
Clarke Devine Sessegnon
Parrott​

Even if only three of those players hit the levels we hope of them, it’s an incredible achievement from the club, but if they all did it’d feel amazing. Always easier to fall in love with your ownyouth products.

I'm very careful when posting these now as I've seen arguably better teams not transpire but everyone player there has enough ability to play for our first team in some form. I imagine only one or two at most will though
 

IGSpur

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I was going to post this as it really made me smile.

It was the point where he said 'My dad said Japh this is a big day, it's a very big day'. It just made me remember, how long he was out injured for, for one early in the academy. He came back, looked top quality and then just went into purgatory for a whole year, he must've been wondering where his career was going.

Then all of a sudden he's in the first team, and putting in great performances. He could easily have just disappeared as a noone, but he's in one of my top 3 CBs I've seen at the academy and my favourite to watch. I think he could go to the top.

England are struggling to bring throught their top CBs and CMs because they're risky positions. Same with GK I imagine. While a lot of our wingers, strikers and full backs are getting their chances, a lot of PL first teams are still operating from the position that in key areas they don't want players coming through who might take risks and lose the ball. So the CMs coming through are relatively average. We are depending on the EFL too much to bring through the CBs and CMs because they have less options, when other than Bellingham, there are better around at the top clubs. At least Bellingham should really start to come through and answer a lot of problems in the CM for the next decade.

But if JM can really get into Tanganga he could be top quality
 

Locotoro

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I asked this question previously but didn't get any response.


I think we can agree that the high press Poch implemented suited more energetic younger players and perhaps his failure not to keep the squad not only fresh but young and full of energy was his downfall.

With JM he obviously plays a deeper more strategic style where we are attacking at the right moment rather than all out press.

Do you think it is easier for JM to mould a younger player to play his way or get an older more experienced player to do what he asks?
 
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