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Juan Foyth

paulcumpstone

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I still think the lad has serious talent and hope we only let him go out on a season long loan. I can only see him doing well if played regularly
 

ralphs bald spot

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I would say its because he hasnt got run of games to play. When he joined he didn't even play 10 competitive games. Poch never game him a run and Jose didnt either. Only team which has been consistent and given him chance is ARG national teams - where he has been brilliant.
He needs a manager that trusts him and give 10 games in a row.

trouble is with the boy when he has played he has been very error prone - the penalties at Wolves the mis control at Norwich even the sending off at Bournemouth - sadly he won't get those chances if when he does he makes a costly mistake. I think he has some potential but its fairer to let him go
 

Tyler24durden

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He’s skilful but he’s not good enough.

Has regular mistakes in him.

needs moving on. Leeds would suit him or abroad.

same with Sissoko, lamela, aurier. Not good enough.
 

Khilari

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trouble is with the boy when he has played he has been very error prone - the penalties at Wolves the mis control at Norwich even the sending off at Bournemouth - sadly he won't get those chances if when he does he makes a costly mistake. I think he has some potential but its fairer to let him go
Yes - costly mistakes indeed

But I think a certain level of maturity is needed to play CB, which comes with time and games.

He’d definitely benefit from a loan and perhaps at a different division in England.
 

gibbospurs

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He seems like the Argentinian Jon Stones to me. Best sell up With maybe a buy back but He’s like stones, not got the concentration for a centre half and not the strength or ability to play as a holding midfielder.
 

Japhet

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trouble is with the boy when he has played he has been very error prone - the penalties at Wolves the mis control at Norwich even the sending off at Bournemouth - sadly he won't get those chances if when he does he makes a costly mistake. I think he has some potential but its fairer to let him go


He's had a miniscule amount of top level football and needs much more to gain the experience required. Tanganga's made a few cock ups as well and needs the same treatment. I'd loan him or only consider selling with a very favourable buy back clause. If he was playing for Ajax people would be going nuts for him.
 

bceej

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He seems like the Argentinian Jon Stones to me. Best sell up With maybe a buy back but He’s like stones, not got the concentration for a centre half and not the strength or ability to play as a holding midfielder.

Stones has really fallen out of favour. Would probably do well abroad.
 

ralphs bald spot

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Yes - costly mistakes indeed

But I think a certain level of maturity is needed to play CB, which comes with time and games.

He’d definitely benefit from a loan and perhaps at a different division in England.

I agree with that - but the point is as a young player you don't get many chances and when you do you have to grab them - I think he has some potential but when do you play him? Can you take that risk?

There comes a point when you have to make a decision and sadly I think with Foyth that it's fairer to let him move on the same as CCV the both may well go on to have very decent careers but now is probably not their time - as you say centre back's need experience and time
 

GutBucket

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I like him but I don't trust him, always a scare for conceding a penalty. I think he will be good when he matures and removes mistakes from his game but we can't afford him learning from his mistakes here. Needs a loan.
 

BringBack_leGin

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We've ruined him, let's hope not permanently
How can you say this? We signed him off the back of 9 matches of first team football in Argentina. There’s a myriad of potential reasons why he’s not progressed and most of them relate to his altitude to play at the level needed. The manager who pushed to sign him barely played him in over two seasons, that surely says something. He was only a year younger than Dier was when he arrived, yet Pochettino had Dier as a mainstay in the side for his entire tenure. We’ve ruined him no more than we ruined Taarabt or Blondel.

He has a nice touch, a decent pass and a lick of pace. That’ll carry him so far but at 5’11 and with the chest of a pigeon he’s not succeeding at a defender in England at any club in my opinion.
 

matthew.absurdum

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How can you say this? We signed him off the back of 9 matches of first team football in Argentina. There’s a myriad of potential reasons why he’s not progressed and most of them relate to his altitude to play at the level needed. The manager who pushed to sign him barely played him in over two seasons, that surely says something. He was only a year younger than Dier was when he arrived, yet Pochettino had Dier as a mainstay in the side for his entire tenure. We’ve ruined him no more than we ruined Taarabt or Blondel.

He has a nice touch, a decent pass and a lick of pace. That’ll carry him so far but at 5’11 and with the chest of a pigeon he’s not succeeding at a defender in England at any club in my opinion.

I remember at that time only PSG and us wanted him. Not sure he would make it if he went to PSG
 

BringBack_leGin

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I remember at that time only PSG and us wanted him. Not sure he would make it if he went to PSG
He might, but by his age Toby has already enjoyed two seasons as first choice at Ajax, same with Jan. Difference in both cases is that yes, they’re technical defenders, but they were also broad shoulder battle ready gladiators. Foyth looks like a middle distance runner.
 

bigfrooj

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He seems like the Argentinian Jon Stones to me. Best sell up With maybe a buy back but He’s like stones, not got the concentration for a centre half and not the strength or ability to play as a holding midfielder.
I won’t disagree but I’d love to see him given a few games at holding midfielder. If he doesn’t cut it there I don’t see where he fits really. Shame, he can play a bit.
 

Japhet

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He might, but by his age Toby has already enjoyed two seasons as first choice at Ajax, same with Jan. Difference in both cases is that yes, they’re technical defenders, but they were also broad shoulder battle ready gladiators. Foyth looks like a middle distance runner.

You think Foyth couldn't look good at Ajax? As I said earlier, if he was there I think people would be going nuts for him.
 

Gareth88

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Loan him out for the season to the championship or any premier league team that wants him who can provide minutes
 

BringBack_leGin

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You think Foyth couldn't look good at Ajax? As I said earlier, if he was there I think people would be going nuts for him.
Not saying that so much as I’m saying that the players I’ve mentioned didn’t just play because they were good on the ball, they were also built to battle with strikers even at that age. I’m sure Foyth would look better at Ajax than he does for us, as he’d be playing for by far the best side in a far easier league, but that’s assuming they would play him.

My overriding point is really just that it’s not necessarily the club’s fault that he’s not progressed, though it may be the club’s fault for signing him in the first place.
 

rabbikeane

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How can you say this?

For me it's about what I saw of him as an international youth player, the potential he had to become the world's best defensive player if developed properly. Him and Son were the two players I wanted us to sign the most during Pochettino's reign as I thought they'd be perfect for his style with the passing game and technical ability being important in his defenders, how both Alderweireld and Vertonghen played as midfielders from the back. While in Son's case it was his work rate and pressing game combined with his obvious football qualities.
Foyth definitely needed a lot of work, organic development like every other young player, but with us also a lot of adjusting to english football which is different to everywhere else.
We failed in that responsibility and basically hoarded him, when a giant like PSG wanted him where it'd be easier to adapt and develop. Foyth's missed out on at least 60 senior games of learning and developing because he chose us.

It's in many ways no different to what we (and other top english clubs) do with a lot of talent, also our own. I'm not exactly happy with Marcus Edwards, Josh Onomah and Kyle Walker-Peters having weak careers so far neither.

Players don't need time, they aren't suddenly what they're supposed to be just because they are with us for three years. It's what's done in that time that matters, and we've clearly failed with Foyth. He needs to move on to save his career, preferably not to someone like Fulham, but a CL or EL playing international club. He'll never be a better warrior than a Tarkowski, his potential is to become a baller like Marquinhos.
 
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