rabbikeane
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This first of all yes
Juan Foyth
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This first of all yes
BringBack_leGin
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Well (and I refer to your previous post too but quoted this as it’s shorter) yes, we can say the club shouldn’t have signed him, but it’s just a sensible model to keep signing young high potential players as you only need a small portion of them to work out to a) impact the first team positively and b) impact the balance sheet positively. In the past five 6 seasons we’ve seen Foyth stagnate and have no impact, but Dier and Dele have significant impacts and increase massively in value. Same can be said to a lesser extent if Davies (was already a haggard 22 years old and had also played a full premier league season already).
To my mind we can say we shouldn’t have signed him but we have to accept that his signing was part of a wider mechanism whereby there’ll always be Deles, Walkers and Lennons but there’ll also be Foyths, Taarabts, Nkoudous and Blondels.
Additionally, I can’t subscribe to the point of view that we failed him. We offered him the opportunity to come and take advantage of the environment we’ve designed specifically to give young footballers the best chance of developing, and he/ his family and agent accepted that opportunity. Once he’s done that, it’s up to us to handle his progression as well as possible but also up to him to take hold up hours end of the bargain. With the information we have I’m not sure we can conclude the balance of culpability either way.
I do agree with you that off he is to improve, in any position, he has to play, and so that means he probably has to leave.
Glengoyne
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Personally at this time I would feel safer with Foyth than with Dier.
I think there is potential in Foyth but he needs game time and he needs an experienced CB partner to help him read the game better. I like the fact that he for a CB is good with the ball and can pick out a pass.
I think there is potential in Foyth but he needs game time and he needs an experienced CB partner to help him read the game better. I like the fact that he for a CB is good with the ball and can pick out a pass.
Spurs_S.A.
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Seeing as we need a solid CDM, could we not use Foyth for this position, he is a natural defender with a good passing ability.
He could shield the back four and perform a similar job to Dier a few seasons back.
He could shield the back four and perform a similar job to Dier a few seasons back.
CrouchPotato
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Someone should phone up Jan to sell Foyth to the benfica manager. Swap plus cash for Dias
Spurs Lodge Kittens
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I've been advocating selling Foyth but it's getting to the stage now where i'd feel much better about our side with him at the back ahead of Dier. Jose has two weird infatuations - Dier and Moura. The problem is Foyth has a market where we can make some money off him, whereas Dier hasn't and Jose doesn't seem to even want to entertain the thought that Dier is no longer they player he thought he was.
dagraham
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Even though I’m a bit underwhelmed by our CB’s in general these days, I think some are swayed by Foyth’s ability on the ball and as an all round good footballer, rather than as an actual defender.
Jose wants us to be rock solid at the back and Foyth is not going to do that.
Jose wants us to be rock solid at the back and Foyth is not going to do that.
spursintheblood
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Could he not cover the CDM role though?
dagraham
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Maybe, but neither Poch or Jose has tried that so I doubt they think he could.
$hoguN
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Problem is that he isn’t solid. Doesn’t read the game well and is prone to a mistake
kendoddsdadsdogsdead
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it’ll be a quiet place then. for a youngster coming in he played a decent amount of games under Poch. We also had a great back four when he arrived and had a few small injuries that kept him out for periods. Leeds are after him and Im sure Biesla would of sort Pochettino’s opinion. If Pochettino was still here I think he’d be getting chances personally. Argentina manager clearly likes him too.
i personally think he’s got big potential, he makes mistakes but all our centre backs are error prone but with Foyth at least his mistakes are generally because he’s trying to be proactive, he’ll try and work the ball into midfield, he’ll try and get us playing. I’m sure he could just hook the ball anywhere and his mistakes wouldn’t be as obvious. Personally I love the fact he’s got courage on the ball in that position.
I don’t think anyone thinks they know better. Football is about opinions on all levels. people at the top of management I’m sure disagree on players all the time.
Fully agree with these sentiments, a ball playing center back is worth his weight in gold. But how do you get to become a ball playing center back in this day and age when you are young, 'cos everyone will be on your case when you make the inevitable mistakes (because when you are brave enough to take risks, mistakes will inevitably happen). When i had a season ticket, he'd have walked into most of the Spurs teams i watched because we were a different side back then (mid 90's - 2015) and you could develop young players better in a side with less pressure on them. Now he's got no chance unless he's foot perfect every match ! A loan abroad in an easier league would be my preferred choice, but to be perfectly honest, if we could go out and buy a really top defender with the help of selling him, then i'm not sure it'll really be a huge loss - i'd just hate to see him in the Prem performing like i think he could.
kendoddsdadsdogsdead
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Agree, the thing is though we’re making loads of errors at the back anyway and where not even trying to bring it out or work it through midfield(midfield is an issue there as well).
Hakkz
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The Moura isn't that strange. Highly energetic player that does what the manager asks of him, must be popular with any manager.
dtxspurs
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He was going to be our starting RB last year under Poch but got hurt. His chance here long term was at RB not CB. But José doesn’t see that so off he’ll go.
carpediem991
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If he stays he should be used as a RB or CDM, where his errors are not as costly. He has something but I feel its the best for all parties if he plays somewhere else this season. If its a perm or a loan is another question but he needs game time every week.
In addition of that he is occupying a Non HG position that is probably needed for a Striker or a CB like Dias.
In addition of that he is occupying a Non HG position that is probably needed for a Striker or a CB like Dias.
$hoguN
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His errors will be costly in any of those positions. That’s why he doesn’t get game time
carpediem991
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Probably right. Obvious that he cannot continue with an error each game.
Just saying if he stays maybe not use him as a CB because he still could do with someone behind him and give him more safety and confidence.
