Dele Alli at Everton

JUSTINSIGNAL · Sep 29, 2020

razor1981 said:
Exclusive: Dele Alli left out of Tottenham squad to face Chelsea in Carabao Cup

Alli has only started one Premier League game this season and the Europa League win against FK Shkendija was his only other appearance

www.telegraph.co.uk

Can someone copy and paste the article for those who us don't subscribe to the Torygraph?

samsonlevi · Sep 29, 2020

deanostheyido said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only UK based midfielders we've been linked with are David Brooks and Todd Cantwell? Both would be obtainable during that extended transfer window.

would love Brooks. very good player. just injuries are a concern. Still would sign him if possible for the right fee.

thebenjamin · Sep 29, 2020

freeeki said:
Oh nonsense. He's a valuable asset, if he's being moved on we're not going to risk injuring him.

That's not good for us, for him, or for any buying club.

But we're clearly forcing him to leave.

WiganSpur · Sep 29, 2020

Hopefully he'll get 15+ goals in France and we'll be able to get £40-50m next summer. I can't see him playing here again unless there's a change of coach in the next year.

thebenjamin · Sep 29, 2020

Just can't get the logic that we'd move Dele on before Lamela or Lucas. All on similar money. Both nearly 30, Lamela a walking sicknote, Lucas scores once in a blue moon, and Dele yet to hit his prime years. Seems very strange to me.

razor1981 · Sep 29, 2020

ravo said:
I'm not subscribed. Any chance you could copy and paste into here please?

I don't subscribe either, but you get free access to a certain number of articles per month just by registering. Anyway, the article says...

Dele Alli has been left out of Tottenham’s squad to face Chelsea in the Carabao Cup on Tuesday night.

The Spurs midfielder, 24, missed Sunday’s Premier League clash against Newcastle United and the fourth-round tie was seen as a chance for game time but it is understood Jose Mourinho has not included him in match-day plans.

Alli has only started one Premier League game this season, the defeat to Everton when he subbed at half-time, and the Europa League win against FK Shkendija was his only other appearance.

The home clash against Frank Lampard’s team has been viewed as a chance for Mourinho to rotate his squad, with another European game two days later, but it appears Alli will not be given the chance to fight his way back into his plans against Frank Lampard’s team.

Alli’s future has been uncertain since losing his place in Mourinho’s team this season and he could attract interest ahead of next week’s transfer deadline.

Paris Saint-Germain showed initial interest in a season-long loan but the deal has proved difficult for the French champions and they are willing to look elsewhere. Alli was not included in the last England squad and needs first-team football to win his place back ahead of the European Championships last season.

Mourinho had admitted the Carabao Cup was not his priority when asked about the competition and Spurs’ fixture pile-up at the weekend.

“What would you do in my position? I would like to fight for the Carabao but I don’t think I can,” he said. “We have a game on Thursday that gives us not as much money as the Champions League, but the group phase of the Europa League gives us a certain amount that for a club like us is very important.

“It’s a competition with a possible group phase that gives us a good chance to go through to the next knockout stage, so this game on Thursday is very important for us.”

WiganSpur · Sep 29, 2020

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
This is a really sad situation. He was one of the symbols of our rise under Pochetinno but he just hasn't developed. We just can't carry someone who is so careless on the ball. The carelessness has always been there but very much glossed over by everyone because he was so productive in front of goal. Now that he seems to have lost that goalscoring touch it's difficult to justify his place in the starting eleven.

Until he learns how to look after the ball better I just don't think he's going to play for another top team. He's too much of a luxury player who puts too much pressure on the rest of the team by this carelessness. I really hope he knuckles down and does develop but I have doubts that a 24 year old can all of sudden become better at keep possession.

The problem with Dele is that to get the best out of him you have to build the team around him. Mourinho has done that and he still hasn't performed consistently which becomes massively detrimental to the balance of the whole team. The only way a player like Alli can work at a big club is if he's a truly world class player. He is probably better becoming a big fish in a small pond somewhere now imo, in a team that will accommodate his unique strengths and weaknesses.

cjbyid · Sep 29, 2020

thebenjamin said:
Just can't get the logic that we'd move Dele on before Lamela or Lucas. All on similar money. Both nearly 30, Lamela a walking sicknote, Lucas scores once in a blue moon, and Dele yet to hit his prime years. Seems very strange to me.

But he's shown nothing for about 3 years that suggests he's gonna be a hit in his prime years.

He's awfully slow on the ball and quite slow off it. Yeah he makes great runs etc but his overall game hasn't developed.

He needs a move for himself.

Wadec · Sep 29, 2020

thebenjamin said:
Just can't get the logic that we'd move Dele on before Lamela or Lucas. All on similar money. Both nearly 30, Lamela a walking sicknote, Lucas scores once in a blue moon, and Dele yet to hit his prime years. Seems very strange to me.

I can see both sides of the argument, what you said makes logical sense.

However with the signing of Bale and tweak to our shape this season Dele is finding minutes hard to come by. Maybe Jose feels Lamela and Lucas are better squad players than Dele?

You also have to think of the team, our recruitment this season seems heavily focused on improving our first team. Dele does not start in front of any of Bale, Son or Kane and it seems Jose is working towards a midfield 3 of PEH, GLC and Tanguy. If selling Dele allows us to bring in Skriniar and a solid striker to rotate with Kane we are stronger for it, even if on paper selling another player looks more beneficial.

leelee · Sep 29, 2020

thebenjamin said:
Just can't get the logic that we'd move Dele on before Lamela or Lucas. All on similar money. Both nearly 30, Lamela a walking sicknote, Lucas scores once in a blue moon, and Dele yet to hit his prime years. Seems very strange to me.

Although I agree with this, I'd also argue it's because Dele does not play the aggressive pressing play and isn't giving 100% on his defensive duties that Jose requires. Dele is also quite slow in the build up which has stifled us during past games.

Although a quality player, I just don't think Dele is made for a Mourinho team.

I wouldn't want to sell him, loan only and prefer to sell Lamela if we do need to sell in that area for funds.

sidford · Sep 29, 2020

BringBack_leGin said:
Predetermined subs of Ndombele, and two from Reguilón, Bergwijn and Lamela solves that issue.

That's assuming all in fine shape (berg supposedly carrying tight hammies for a while now) and no new injuries etc.

Using Dele for the least important of 4 games in 8 days still makes sense to me.

Rosco1984 · Sep 29, 2020

d_carteus said:
I was watching TN during the Newcastle game and the flicks and the chances created is what I wish Dele would bring in his role but he just looks constraint when he plays, like his creativity is lost. He knows he is not performing but lacks the mentality to turn it around. He needs to dig in and grow up so he can push forwards I still think there is a lot of potential left in him so do not want to see him leave. I want him to fight for his place!

Probably because when he tries a flick or something creative to create a chance he gets slaughtered for not looking after the ball. Funny how when winks looks after the ball he gets slaughtered for not being adventurous but when dele is adventurous he gets slaughtered for not looking after the ball when where dele plays you can afford to lose it a lot more. Basically Ndombele is flavour of the month and rightly so as he has proved a lot of people wrong with his motivation but Dele and winks have been here a while and are English so people pick them apart and when that is all over social media it has to have a negative affect on players confidence to take a risk.

AllReb · Sep 29, 2020

WiganSpur said:
The problem with Dele is that to get the best out of him you have to build the team around him. Mourinho has done that and he still hasn't performed consistently which becomes massively detrimental to the balance of the whole team. The only way a player like Alli can work at a big club is if he's a truly world class player. He is probably better becoming a big fish in a small pond somewhere now imo, in a team that will accommodate his unique strengths and weaknesses.

How has Mourinho built a team around him?

BringBack_leGin · Sep 29, 2020

sidford said:
That's assuming all in fine shape (berg supposedly carrying tight hammies for a while now) and no new injuries etc.

Using Dele for the least important of 4 games in 8 days still makes sense to me.

I don’t disagree, I’m just trying to suggest it’s not the end of the world.

AllReb · Sep 29, 2020

sidford said:
That's assuming all in fine shape (berg supposedly carrying tight hammies for a while now) and no new injuries etc.

Using Dele for the least important of 4 games in 8 days still makes sense to me.

Not if we’re selling him

thebenjamin · Sep 29, 2020

leelee said:
Although I agree with this, I'd also argue it's because Dele does not play the aggressive pressing play and isn't giving 100% on his defensive duties that Jose requires. Dele is also quite slow in the build up which has stifled us during past games.

Although a quality player, I just don't think Dele is made for a Mourinho team.

I wouldn't want to sell him, loan only and prefer to sell Lamela if we do need to sell in that area for funds.

But Dele was one of the cornerstones of a much more aggressive pressing game under Poch

nedley · Sep 29, 2020

thebenjamin said:
Just can't get the logic that we'd move Dele on before Lamela or Lucas. All on similar money. Both nearly 30, Lamela a walking sicknote, Lucas scores once in a blue moon, and Dele yet to hit his prime years. Seems very strange to me.

Its because the money Dele would bring in.

WiganSpur · Sep 29, 2020

AllReb said:
How has Mourinho built a team around him?

The 4-2-3-1 he religiously stuck to during 19/20, with Dele barely ever dropped?

Mungo63 · Sep 29, 2020

I’ll be gutted if Dele leaves

mattyspurs · Sep 29, 2020

thebenjamin said:
Bit harsh the way he's being treated tbh. This isn't some bit part player, he's been a loyal servant.

HOw is he being treated? No one knows, unless you are a fly on the wall?

The majority of the posts that I am seeing are people gutted that he's potentially leaving, but that it's maybe the right time.

Maybe Jose has challanged him, challenged him to up his game, chamge it around, become a much better player (trainer), and perhaps, just perhaps, Dele isn't up to the challange?

It happens in any job. I've been Top performer in companies before, I got complacent, tailed off, was challenged, and didn't feel like I needed to be challenged. Then resentment sets in from me, I start to blame everything but myself. Then you realise that because you've been there a long time, other people are coming in since and performing much better, it's hard to turn it around. A new Challenge is needed.

This could be the reason, it could be Dele pushing for this because he needs new surroundings. BUt I won't say that it is, because I don't know.

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