What's new

Arsenal

DJS

DJS

A hoonter must hoont
Dec 9, 2006
31,265
21,766
riggi said:
Click to expand...


Robbie in background pretending to be sad but secretly counting the money his crazy colleague’s outburst will bring him...

The room looks better then that white room they were using last season, wouldn’t wanna sit on one of those chairs for a whole game though.
 
DJS

DJS

A hoonter must hoont
Dec 9, 2006
31,265
21,766
You could do a shot game every time he says blud although you would end up with pretty bad alcohol poisoning!

Blud.
 
Flashp

Flashp

Well-Known Member
Aug 31, 2012
788
3,294
Frozen_Waffles said:
Eh for what? Or is this a joke?

He hasn't been exceptional for a long time. He really is a weird one, to get the best out of him you really need to build your team around him. He is at his best when he is dictating play from deeper areas IMO, but with a style of football and the players need to trust him to do that.

He is a complete luxury player, with the way arsenal are at the moment I don't see how he can turn things around. He has never really set the world on fire and more importantly he has never been too consistent.

But anyway what arsenal miss is a strong manager who can control the egos in the squad. The problem is not the individual talent but the mentality. They need steel, I can see what Arteta wants to do, but they are really going to struggle with that squad.

Many saw Arteta as the next big thing but I couldn't see it. He is new to management and for someone like that to get a job that big was ridiculous.

He still might make it work but arsenal, utd and Chelsea are all taking huge risks with unproven managers.

Anyway my tip for the season is that west ham will finish above them. Arteta to be sacked and they are back to square one.

They are following a similar route to united but spending less money. A scattergun approach to signings and managers alike since Wenger.
Click to expand...
Unfortunately I cannot agree with this.

Arteta's clearly better than Emery, and they should've gone for him to begin with.

He's sorted out most of their defensive issues that have been constant since Wengers later years, and that's no small feat.

They lack creativity from midfield right now, but with just a little more sharpness they could've well won against both City and Leicester.

The one thing Arteta lacks is experience, and they will be frustrated by his decisions at some points this season, but they're still one of the better teams in the league and can realistically make top 4 with the wobbly starts for all top teams. They're not to be underestimated IMO.
 
Shadydan

Shadydan

Well-Known Member
Jul 7, 2012
38,247
104,143
Flashp said:
Unfortunately I cannot agree with this.

Arteta's clearly better than Emery, and they should've gone for him to begin with.

He's sorted out most of their defensive issues that have been constant since Wengers later years, and that's no small feat.

They lack creativity from midfield right now, but with just a little more sharpness they could've well won against both City and Leicester.

The one thing Arteta lacks is experience, and they will be frustrated by his decisions at some points this season, but they're still one of the better teams in the league and can realistically make top 4 with the wobbly starts for all top teams. They're not to be underestimated IMO.
Click to expand...

He needs to start attacking, they have the 2nd worse xg this season and have created something like the 3rd few most chances in the Prem so far. I think what got him this far is that he used those very same tactics against Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea and got him some high profile wins but it looks he's starting to get found out.
 
Gb160

Gb160

Well done boys. Good process
Jun 20, 2012
23,664
93,379
Keep getting this ad lol...

Screenshot 2020-10-26 at 09.46.17.png
 
Flashp

Flashp

Well-Known Member
Aug 31, 2012
788
3,294
Shadydan said:
He needs to start attacking, they have the 2nd worse xg this season and have created something like the 3rd few most chances in the Prem so far. I think what got him this far is that he used those very same tactics against Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea and got him some high profile wins but it looks he's starting to get found out.
Click to expand...
Yeah, as I said, they're lacking creativity from midfield. His insistence on not playing Aubameyang centrally is also weird. He'd probably put away some of the chances that Lacazette's missed so far.

However, great teams are build from the back, and if he manages to find the right balance, albeit with a lack of creative midfielders, they will be very hard to beat.
 
Shadydan

Shadydan

Well-Known Member
Jul 7, 2012
38,247
104,143
Flashp said:
Yeah, as I said, they're lacking creativity from midfield. His insistence on not playing Aubameyang centrally is also weird. He'd probably put away some of the chances that Lacazette's missed so far.

However, great teams are build from the back, and if he manages to find the right balance, albeit with a lack of creative midfielders, they will be very hard to beat.
Click to expand...

Not sure if that's true anymore Poch, Klopp and Pep all initially built their teams from the front or at least playing on the front foot. I think it's a little dangerous building your teams from the back because when you don't win it looks like you're not trying to have a go, at least when you play on the front foot it buys you a bit of time with the fans and the players.
 
A

allatsea

Well-Known Member
Aug 31, 2012
8,928
16,176
Why is Arteta moaning about Lacazette’s goal not being given ? looked to me as if two Arsenal players were clearly offside.
 
Shadydan

Shadydan

Well-Known Member
Jul 7, 2012
38,247
104,143
allatsea said:
Why is Arteta moaning about Lacazette’s goal not being given ? looked to me as if two Arsenal players were clearly offside.
Click to expand...

It's whether Xhaka was interfering with Schmeichel and blocking his line of sight, replay's suggested that he wasn't.
 
A

allatsea

Well-Known Member
Aug 31, 2012
8,928
16,176
Shadydan said:
They weren't interfering with play - that's what the disallowed goal was based on whether Xhaka was interfering or not and replays suggested that he wasn't.
Click to expand...
If they weren’t interfering with play, to quote Harry Redknapp, ‘what were they doing’ in front of goal within the penalty area ?
 
rossdapep

rossdapep

Well-Known Member
Aug 25, 2011
22,103
79,493
Flashp said:
Yeah, as I said, they're lacking creativity from midfield. His insistence on not playing Aubameyang centrally is also weird. He'd probably put away some of the chances that Lacazette's missed so far.

However, great teams are build from the back, and if he manages to find the right balance, albeit with a lack of creative midfielders, they will be very hard to beat.
Click to expand...
Whilst you are essentially true about good teams being built from the back, I do believe as a coach it's easier to come in and focus purely on defensive structure, positioning and getting players behind the ball. Allardyce, Pulis, etc were all good at doing that and adding stability to a team but were poor at getting their teams in the attacking aspects. They'd then hide behind how little they conceded as a way of proving how good they were as a coach. The key to a better coach is when they are able to make their team more of a threat yet keep the defensively stability.

Compare Arteta to us under Poch in his second and third season. Poch didn't improve us defensively by getting us to be compact and by getting players behind the ball, he made us press and play higher up the pitch, keeping teams further away from our goal. That is more skilled coaching.

Arsenal have been absolutely toothless so far under Arteta, very much like we were under AVB. As an Arsenal-man he would have known all about the defensive issues over the years but I do wonder if the biggest issue was structure or if it's just having incompetent defenders at the club. Then, has he played too much importance on the defensive structure and organisation whilst not considering how it may effect their creativity?

I'm not writing them or him off but I do think there is a big chance he'll fail as he'll struggle to get them to be both good in attack and defence, as sometimes coaches are only really effective at one or the other.

As @Shadydan rightly points out, how long will Arsenal fans accept defensive toothless football if they aren't getting results? I'm not saying he needs to go hung ho, but I think he's using a back 5 as a mask because he doesn't know how to organise his defence (or trust) in a 4 in such a way that stops leaking goals. It'll be interesting to see if they go to a 4 now that they have Partey, if they don't I expect them to continue struggling offensively.
 
tommo84

tommo84

Proud to be loud
Aug 15, 2005
6,189
11,227
Shadydan said:
They weren't interfering with play - that's what the disallowed goal was based on whether Xhaka was interfering or not and replays suggested that he wasn't.
Click to expand...

I thought the issue was Aubameyang sticking his foot out towards the ball at the far post(?). In doing so he is interfering with play according to the rules so it’s one of those where the decision is right based on the rule, but its an instance where the rule has been applied to the nth degree (as Aubameyang isn’t really affecting the play as he sticks his leg out as the ball is hitting the post and crossing the line).

I don’t like that decision but after the handball not given vs West Ham and the red card not given vs Sheff Utd, Arsenal can’t really claim to be hard done by.

Edit: Just watched it again and see the Xhaka issue. If that’s the key issue then there have been plenty of similar decisions given lately, and that’s not patch on the one West Ham has chalked off vs Chelsea last season - especially as Xhaka knows what he’s doing.
 
Last edited:
Shadydan

Shadydan

Well-Known Member
Jul 7, 2012
38,247
104,143
tommo84 said:
I thought the issue was Aubameyang sticking his foot out towards the ball at the far post(?). In doing so he is interfering with play according to the rules so it’s one of those where the decision is right based on the rule, but its an instance where the rule has been applied to the nth degree (as Aubameyang isn’t really affecting the play as he stick his life out as the ball is hitting the post and crossing the line).

I don’t like that decision but after the handball not given vs West Ham and the red card not given vs Sheff Utd, Arsenal can’t really claim to be hard done by.
Click to expand...

If that's the case then the rules need clarifying, I didn't think that Aubameyang sticking his foot out made a difference unless it obstructed the keeper.

It's just annoying as a football fan (Arsenal or not) that there's these constant discussions about the rules and VAR and referee's lack of consistency.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

mawspurs
Ange Postecoglou explains why he's different to Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta in so many ways
Replies
2
Views
568
mawspurs
mawspurs
fishhhandaricecake
Either or / would you rather
Replies
13
Views
1K
-Afri-Coy-
-Afri-Coy-
mawspurs
Ange believes Spurs ‘heading in right direction’ despite dropping points against West Ham
Replies
0
Views
142
mawspurs
mawspurs
Top