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BringBack_leGin

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I'm revelling in one fan's paranoia not implying we will finish above them thus tempting fate.
Understood.

I’m personally not even brave enough to facelessly be amused at our rivals misfortune and/or angst. Not until the 38th match has ended and we’re sitting pretty on top of the league.
 

PrettyColors

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Understood.

I’m personally not even brave enough to facelessly be amused at our rivals misfortune and/or angst. Not until the 38th match has ended and we’re sitting pretty on top of the league.
Ever since 15/16 I have learned to keep my mouth shut on all matters like this until the season has finished.
 

Steffen

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Ever since 15/16 I have learned to keep my mouth shut on all matters like this until the season has finished.

Same here. I got burned by reposting that ‘lions coming for you’ picture Kane posted on his Instagram, when Leicester lost points.

Edit: It was after Leicester played 2-2 against West Ham. I was sure we would catch them. We all know how that went.

 
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Laboog

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I can't believe Burnley fans are actually ok with their style of play. It's not even sit back and counter, it's sit back, be physical, hope to have a set-piece, kick it to a tall guy and hopefully score.

It is by far the more boring style in the league. I would gladly watch Crystal Palace, Fulham, BHA, Newcastle every week over Burnley.
 

Trix

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I can't believe Burnley fans are actually ok with their style of play. It's not even sit back and counter, it's sit back, be physical, hope to have a set-piece, kick it to a tall guy and hopefully score.

It is by far the more boring style in the league. I would gladly watch Crystal Palace, Fulham, BHA, Newcastle every week over Burnley.
They would not still be in the Prem if they played any differently.
 

tommo84

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I can't believe Burnley fans are actually ok with their style of play. It's not even sit back and counter, it's sit back, be physical, hope to have a set-piece, kick it to a tall guy and hopefully score.

It is by far the more boring style in the league. I would gladly watch Crystal Palace, Fulham, BHA, Newcastle every week over Burnley.

It’s dull but it’s competitive. Also to give Dyche some credit, a couple of years ago he had some better footballers in his midfield (Hendrick and Defour come to mind) and they played better football at home. But those players left and he’s had no money to replace them. Now he’s got Westwood and Brownhill there so you can’t blame Dyche for wanting to play direct. I think he’s done a fantastic job, and would always rather have a team like Burnley in the division (tough to beat and likely to take points off some of the top 6 each season) than a team like Fulham who are trying to play decent football but are hugely unlikely to leave any real impression on the league table or the race for the European places.
 

Jamturk

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It’s dull but it’s competitive. Also to give Dyche some credit, a couple of years ago he had some better footballers in his midfield (Hendrick and Defour come to mind) and they played better football at home. But those players left and he’s had no money to replace them. Now he’s got Westwood and Brownhill there so you can’t blame Dyche for wanting to play direct. I think he’s done a fantastic job, and would always rather have a team like Burnley in the division (tough to beat and likely to take points off some of the top 6 each season) than a team like Fulham who are trying to play decent football but are hugely unlikely to leave any real impression on the league table or the race for the European places.

Makes you wonder where all the money they earn from the Premier league goes?
 

tommo84

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Makes you wonder where all the money they earn from the Premier league goes?

As ever, Swiss Ramble is the place to look for a full analysis of their finances but essentially Burnley are massively reliant on EPL TV money as that’s 80% of their total revenue. They are, however, debt free. So they’re caught between two stools: on one hand they have to budget their spending to mitigate the impact of relegation as that would torpedo their revenues but by limiting that spending to the extent they have they probably increase the risk of going down.
 

Trix

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Makes you wonder where all the money they earn from the Premier league goes?
Wages etc. They have a small ground and far less merchandising than most. Trying to stay competitive with teams with far more money is difficult, even with the Prem money.
 

davidmatzdorf

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Im sure I remember them saying they did.
Out of interest, how do you know this? I thought the majority of VAR checks went on in the background. I thought VAR would have reviewed the decision made by Oliver (after all he gave a foul), but decided no clear and obvious error had been made, i.e. possible red card offence that required Oliver to take a 2nd look on the monitor at. Play was stopped for at least 3 mins. I thought fans only know about it if they don't have time to review it (as play goes on).

Is that not what happens in this situations?
The commentators made a whole point about it at the time, which was then referred to again in a couple of match reports in the press: that the treatment of Alderweireld left loads of time to do a check, so why hadn't they done one?

I didn't think the challenge merited a red card, probably yellow for recklessness, but the lack of a VAR check was mentioned at the time and afterwards.
 

DJS

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I have to say, I understand Dyche has been working on an extremely tight budget for quite some time but, their style of play is terrible and as a fan I would be embarrassed to watch them, never mind claim they were 'superb'. I would love to know how many times they pumped the ball up to their strikers last night, I remember saying to my brother every time they did it that their style was a joke, and I said that a lot!

We got drawn into that far too often by doing the same and I was becoming frustrated, but to watch that every week must be a tough gig. I don't say this too often but I genuinely hope they go down, there is no place in the Premier League for that style of football.

It’s effective though and keeps them in the league.

Fair play to them.
 

mightyspur

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The commentators made a whole point about it at the time, which was then referred to again in a couple of match reports in the press: that the treatment of Alderweireld left loads of time to do a check, so why hadn't they done one?

I didn't think the challenge merited a red card, probably yellow for recklessness, but the lack of a VAR check was mentioned at the time and afterwards.
I guess this could be the case, as the only "match-changing situation" it could potentially fall under is the "direct red-card incident" and seeing as he wasn't even booked, it's unlikely they would have reviewed it.

From the Premier League website - https://www.premierleague.com/news/...he VAR not check?,no goal or penalty decision.

What incidents does the VAR check?
VAR will be used only for “clear and obvious errors” or “serious missed incidents” in four match-changing situations: goals; penalty decisions; direct red-card incidents; and mistaken identity.
What incidents does the VAR not check?
The VAR will not review incidents outside of the four match-changing situations: goals; penalty decisions; direct red-card incidents; and mistaken identity.
It will not review, for example, fouls or handballs in the middle of the pitch when there is no goal or penalty decision.
It will not review the decision to award a corner instead of a goal-kick, even if the corner produces a goal.
This is because the VAR will only check the attacking possession phase that led to the goal, and the starting point is limited to the immediate phase, in this instance the corner being taken.
 
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Do we have any more Madge content? :cautious:

Quite alluring, isn't it?
QuarrelsomeSparseIndigowingedparrot.webp
 

Trix

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What's the point of being in the top division if you can't compete? Their only hope is to be bought by a sheik.
By that logic all but about 8 teams are wasting their time and might as well get themselves relegated to fight for silverware.
 

PrettyColors

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By that logic all but about 8 teams are wasting their time and might as well get themselves relegated to fight for silverware.
And this is the type of thinking that gets us directly to that loathed UEFA Super League endgame that I think would ruin modern football forever, even if we were to be included in it.

Look I had a thought about Burnley this morning, you can see that I called them an awful club playing dire football yesterday in the match thread, and no one can deny that. But there's something quite admirable in Dyche, Ben Mee, Ashley Barnes, etc. in that their financial circumstances mean they shouldn't be in the PL, let alone finishing 10th like they have last season. Aside from Tarkowski and Wood I doubt any of those players would start in another PL side, and yet they are so much more than a sum of their parts due to organization and fight. I hated Pulis and Big Sam as well but in the hypercapitalist super league iteration of 2020 Premier League I love seeing an underdog do well.

Spurs, Arsenal, City, United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Wolves, Everton, Leicester, Newcastle, and even Villa with their new owners all have net worths of at least a few billion. Regardless of your thoughts on modern wealth accumulation and human rights offenses I think anyone can see that there is quite a lot of dodgy and exploitative philandering to accumulate even 100 million pounds, let alone a billion.

Every other team in the Premier League has spunked 15m on a player in the past 2 years, except for Burnley. They rarely spend anything and yet have perfected a system to cut out any easy chances for the opponent. It really is brilliant defensively though it leans fully into the dark arts. I think as much as we may hate playing against the Burnleys of the world, we really must fight for their right to exist.
 

Trix

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And this is the type of thinking that gets us directly to that loathed UEFA Super League endgame that I think would ruin modern football forever, even if we were to be included in it.

Look I had a thought about Burnley this morning, you can see that I called them an awful club playing dire football yesterday in the match thread, and no one can deny that. But there's something quite admirable in Dyche, Ben Mee, Ashley Barnes, etc. in that their financial circumstances mean they shouldn't be in the PL, let alone finishing 10th like they have last season. Aside from Tarkowski and Wood I doubt any of those players would start in another PL side, and yet they are so much more than a sum of their parts due to organization and fight. I hated Pulis and Big Sam as well but in the hypercapitalist super league iteration of 2020 Premier League I love seeing an underdog do well.

Spurs, Arsenal, City, United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Wolves, Everton, Leicester, Newcastle, and even Villa with their new owners all have net worths of at least a few billion. Regardless of your thoughts on modern wealth accumulation and human rights offenses I think anyone can see that there is quite a lot of dodgy and exploitative philandering to accumulate even 100 million pounds, let alone a billion.

Every other team in the Premier League has spunked 15m on a player in the past 2 years, except for Burnley. They rarely spend anything and yet have perfected a system to cut out any easy chances for the opponent. It really is brilliant defensively though it leans fully into the dark arts. I think as much as we may hate playing against the Burnleys of the world, we really must fight for their right to exist.
Indeed and it's the diversity of play which makes the Prem what it is.

The fact teams have to adapt to different styles makes it the unpredictable league that it is. If every team played the same way the team with the best players would almost never lose.
 
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