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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

mil1lion

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rossdapep said:
True but they werent making as many mistakes earlier in the season.

Thats cause they were growing in confidence with those around them.

I recall one game ( cant remember which exactly) but we had been fantastic all game, then Hojbjerg and Skipp came on.

Van de Ven suddenly started making mistakes and didnt look as assured.

Thats because he realised the player now in front of him cant do what the other guy could.

Thats way we are making more mistakes.

Doubt and uncertainty.

Pretty much every player has been knocked off their stride.

That will only return once most players are back and start to show form again.
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Also Werner is still new so they don't know yet how to play out to him. There was one example where VdV played in to him while Werner was turning to get forward so he lost the ball. He wanted it played long over the top. Those little things can impact the momentum of the game and keep the opponent on top.
 
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Japhet said:
I know it's not how Ange wants to play, but I wish we'd have put someone right on Pickford and just shoved him into the net when we got a corner. It would have put Oliver on the spot.
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I guess you’ve been watching football and not refereeing🫢 I don’t think anything can put these guys on the spot. There have been teams that’s lost out on top 4 because of their poor decisions and they come right back and do it again without an once of sympathy. They are allowed to make mistakes but some of what I’ve been seeing is quite blatant. We even have them in the VAR room doing the same shit too. Until we start bringing in ref subs where he/she can get subbed for a bad call, nothing will change.
 
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Massively frustrating that result was. Felt like a loss.

Ever since the Chelsea game, teams to varying exyents have applied the rough them up approah and its worked a lot of the time.

We dont get enough protection from the refs to deter them doing it.

Anyway, I felt we made too many subs that fragmented our shape way too much and lost complete control of the game which handed them a point.

It was the classic drop deep, throw as many fresh legs on as possible and hope to see it out

Had we kept players on who can keep the ball better through pass and move we'd of probably seen the game out

Think Agne will have learned from that, we just played into their hands completely.

Our inability to handle the physical approach thrown at us needs to improve though.

But onwards and upwards. Need 3 wins on the bounce now
 
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Love the guy but I thought he just got it completely wrong yesterday. I said to my Brother when Gil & Skipp came on that we would concede as if I was looking to see a game out, those two certainly wouldn't be who I would have brought on.

We all know the next step is having greater strength in depth which I appreciate we will have once Bissouma, Son & Lo Celso are back alongside Solomon, but this Summer we really should be looking to move on the likes of Gil, Skipp & Sessegnon and replacing them.

I don't really know what we should focus on in the Summer, I presume another young LB to provide competition for Udogie, maybe a young GK and then obviously we need to look at a long term Son replacement so I feel we will actually spend a good chunk on a LF like Nico Williams or someone of that ilk.

Anyway, Ange has done a brilliant job and if you had told me at the start of the season with no Harry that we would be challenging top 4 then I would have snapped your hand off. I refuse to believe that we are anywhere near a title race, we are a couple of years away from that in my opinion. We might now rack up three home wins on the bounce which we 100% need to do because we have that run of four games April/May which will really test us.
 
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Hotspur88 said:
Love the guy but I thought he just got it completely wrong yesterday. I said to my Brother when Gil & Skipp came on that we would concede as if I was looking to see a game out, those two certainly wouldn't be who I would have brought on.

We all know the next step is having greater strength in depth which I appreciate we will have once Bissouma, Son & Lo Celso are back alongside Solomon, but this Summer we really should be looking to move on the likes of Gil, Skipp & Sessegnon and replacing them.

I don't really know what we should focus on in the Summer, I presume another young LB to provide competition for Udogie, maybe a young GK and then obviously we need to look at a long term Son replacement so I feel we will actually spend a good chunk on a LF like Nico Williams or someone of that ilk.

Anyway, Ange has done a brilliant job and if you had told me at the start of the season with no Harry that we would be challenging top 4 then I would have snapped your hand off. I refuse to believe that we are anywhere near a title race, we are a couple of years away from that in my opinion. We might now rack up three home wins on the bounce which we 100% need to do because we have that run of four games April/May which will really test us.
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Wouldn't sell Skipp, assuming we make Europe in some form next season and we'll need HG/CT. Sessegnon's different since he's never fit, but then why would anyone buy him?
 
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Yesterday probably killed off any realistic hope of being involved in a title race. I suppose a lot could still change but right now we look some way off.

I agree Ange’s Skipp and Gill subs were strange. But he also brought on Drag which didn’t help either!

However a point wasn’t a disaster, given where we are right now in terms of the Ange project. Perspective is important. We are on course for roughly 73 points this season, which would be good for Ange’s first season, albeit we’ve not had the distractions of cup competitions. For context;

22/23 -60 points
21/22- 71
20/21- 62
19/20- 59
18/19- 71
17/18-77
16/17-86
15/16- 70
 
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Hotspur88 said:
Love the guy but I thought he just got it completely wrong yesterday. I said to my Brother when Gil & Skipp came on that we would concede as if I was looking to see a game out, those two certainly wouldn't be who I would have brought on.

We all know the next step is having greater strength in depth which I appreciate we will have once Bissouma, Son & Lo Celso are back alongside Solomon, but this Summer we really should be looking to move on the likes of Gil, Skipp & Sessegnon and replacing them.

I don't really know what we should focus on in the Summer, I presume another young LB to provide competition for Udogie, maybe a young GK and then obviously we need to look at a long term Son replacement so I feel we will actually spend a good chunk on a LF like Nico Williams or someone of that ilk.

Anyway, Ange has done a brilliant job and if you had told me at the start of the season with no Harry that we would be challenging top 4 then I would have snapped your hand off. I refuse to believe that we are anywhere near a title race, we are a couple of years away from that in my opinion. We might now rack up three home wins on the bounce which we 100% need to do because we have that run of four games April/May which will really test us.
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IMO, in the summer we should go for LB competition for Udogie, a RW that can dribble, is quick and productive (Olise would probably be my top pick) and we should assess Devine and Bergvall in preseason before bringing in a CM.

Icing on the cake would be a long term Son replacement, but they would probably need to go out on loan if we get into Europe as we would have too many non club trained players to register. It's also entirely possible Son's replacement is already at the club (Moore).
 
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IMO, in the summer we should go for LB competition for Udogie, a RW that can dribble, is quick and productive (Olise would probably be my top pick) and we should assess Devine and Bergvall in preseason before bringing in a CM.

Icing on the cake would be a long term Son replacement, but they would probably need to go out on loan if we get into Europe as we would have too many non club trained players to register. It's also entirely possible Son's replacement is already at the club (Moore).
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If Kulusevski will play on right wing I doubt we get another RW with us spending so much on Johnson. We definitely should though.
 
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First season with a new manager, new group (lots of young players) and a completely new style. We have had countless long term injuries to players and the two international tournaments this past month.

As gutting as conceding late goals like yesterday is, we are still a work in progress. There are plenty of positive signs. I don't remember Everton having many real clear cut chances that weren't from a set piece?

We now have our back five together again, Bissouma will be on his way back this week and Son only misses one more game at most. To be where we are after many had written us off when we appointed Ange, and especially selling Kane on the eve of the season, is remarkable.

The players took to it like ducks to water from the off, then Chelsea happened. We got suspensions and injuries to key players. We haven't been the same since. I'm not going to lose my mind over anything this season as I knew there would be mistakes and downs along the way. We have had a great January window and set ourselves up for a good Summer. We now have 2 or 3 home games on the spin, so we can really kickstart the second half of the season.
 
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The subs are only criticised because we conceded an injury time goal. Had we seen it out not much would be made of it. I do feel it's largely him just using what he has and seeing tired legs out there (understandable given we played Wednesday night). Their biggest threat was set pieces so I think adding Dragusin did make sense. It was a silly foul and a bit of luck from the free kick that cost us 2 points. In the ideal world we bring on a Bissouma and Werner instead of Skipp and Gil. Really though we had control for much of the 2nd half yet didn't create enough. We should have been 2 goals ahead before the late subs. At that point with just 1 goal advantage late on anything can happen and you can't necessarily push for another goal.
 
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mil1lion said:
The subs are only criticised because we conceded an injury time goal. Had we seen it out not much would be made of it. I do feel it's largely him just using what he has and seeing tired legs out there (understandable given we played Wednesday night). Their biggest threat was set pieces so I think adding Dragusin did make sense. It was a silly foul and a bit of luck from the free kick that cost us 2 points. In the ideal world we bring on a Bissouma and Werner instead of Skipp and Gil. Really though we had control for much of the 2nd half yet didn't create enough. We should have been 2 goals ahead before the late subs. At that point with just 1 goal advantage late on anything can happen and you can't necessarily push for another goal.
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We really really didn’t.
 
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Tucker said:
We really really didn’t.
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I recorded the game and watched it after reading the comments on here. I don't think the subs made much difference, Everton had a bit more of the game in the 2nd half but I thought the subs were neutral in their impact, they didn't give us more or less control.
We're still struggling to control midfield and that needs addressing. We have the personnel. I also thought Gil gave us some interesting options when he came on.
 
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Styopa said:
Yesterday probably killed off any realistic hope of being involved in a title race. I suppose a lot could still change but right now we look some way off.

I agree Ange’s Skipp and Gill subs were strange. But he also brought on Drag which didn’t help either!

However a point wasn’t a disaster, given where we are right now in terms of the Ange project. Perspective is important. We are on course for roughly 73 points this season, which would be good for Ange’s first season, albeit we’ve not had the distractions of cup competitions. For context;

22/23 -60 points
21/22- 71
20/21- 62
19/20- 59
18/19- 71
17/18-77
16/17-86
15/16- 70
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For context I believe we had European football to contend with in those seasons so more games, more fatigue and less time for training / perfecting ideas and patterns of play.

Also this season Utd, Newcastle and to a degree Chelsea underperforming (given squad value) meaning less competition for top 4 - we need to take advantage.
 
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mil1lion said:
The subs are only criticised because we conceded an injury time goal. Had we seen it out not much would be made of it. I do feel it's largely him just using what he has and seeing tired legs out there (understandable given we played Wednesday night). Their biggest threat was set pieces so I think adding Dragusin did make sense. It was a silly foul and a bit of luck from the free kick that cost us 2 points. In the ideal world we bring on a Bissouma and Werner instead of Skipp and Gil. Really though we had control for much of the 2nd half yet didn't create enough. We should have been 2 goals ahead before the late subs. At that point with just 1 goal advantage late on anything can happen and you can't necessarily push for another goal.
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I actually don't greatly criticise the changes. Maybe only Dragusin because of the change of shape, but the others I could understand. Like Gil on for a tiring and relatively ineffective throughout Werner, plus Skipp on for more energy in midfield. Only thing I probably didn't like was who came off as opposed to who came on, and by that I mean Maddison. I think we always need to maintain some sort of threat throughout the match, even in the final stages, and we lost any chance of that as soon as Maddison came off IMO, and with just over 10 minutes of the match still to play at that point. Also meant there was a very minimal chance of achieving a 'United against Wolves' if they were to equalise.

Like you say though, on another day when the squad is fit, the changes would be different, and it would ideally be Lo Celso on for Maddison. I was still even more uneasy as soon as he came off yesterday though.
 
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We really really didn’t.
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Yes we did. Everton looked far less threatening 2nd half and we had the ball in their half much more. We just didn't create much but we had far more control 2nd half. They only really threatened with set pieces. First half we were camped in our own half most of the time which wasn't the case second half.
 
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mil1lion said:
Yes we did. Everton looked far less threatening 2nd half and we had the ball in their half much more. We just didn't create much but we had far more control 2nd half. They only really threatened with set pieces. First half we were camped in our own half most of the time which wasn't the case second half.
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Not sure what game you were watching. The second half was characterised by us losing the ball in the middle of the park, and Everton getting in behind us.

If you thought that performance was a demonstration of “control” I’d hate to see us when you think we didn’t.
 
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