Let's All Laugh At... Let's all laugh at Chelsea thread

Bluto Blutarsky · Feb 6, 2024

tommo84 said:
They will apparently be in breach of PSR on a much bigger scale than Everton have been unless they make a lot of sales before 30 June. That breach will be mostly down to the spending of the new regime.

But that depends on sales.

I predict they will make the necessary transactions by June 30.

If not, then, they know what to expect next season. And, Chelsea fans may disagree, but it would not be the worst thing for them to take a point deduction next season - which would take a lot of pressure off, and give them a year to consolidate the team.

GutBucket · Feb 6, 2024

Trix said:
They need to find over £100mil in a two week period in a market where no one has any money. That 100mil of course needs to be profit selling the likes of Fernandes doesn't help one bit.

Still that's just Palmer plus one other player.

newbie · Feb 6, 2024

Rocksuperstar said:
Yep, all true, so how will financially punishing Chelsea now change all that's happened already? Same with City, any sanctions on previous seasons will be a token gesture. Their fans have had the joy, celebrated the trophies, etc. so while it needs addressing and some sort of punishment involved, why should Boehly have to shell out for Abramovich's piss taking?

Would've, could've, should've - hindsight is 20/20, I don't know what an appropriate punishment would be for either City or Chelsea, all I do know is that if I bought a house and found a body in it with a knife stuck in it's back, I wouldn't expect to be picking up the custodial sentence for reporting it as the new owner. A huge, huge, HUGE amount of responsibility needs to be placed on the PL for ignoring this going on for so long that now, when they come to investigate the matters at hand, it's a mountain that's possibly just too high to climb.

The only punishment that I can think of that will even go a half step toward a fair response to the level of shithousery would be points deductions but I'm also aware that there will be a hundred legal challenges to explore and that, ultimately, it'll come back to the fact that the PL did nothing to prevent it then, didn't intervene when it was clear some fishy stuff was going on, and have let all of this slide for over a decade.

if you commit a crime, you must be punished as a deterrent, it won’t change the past but will affect the future.

Look at the damage to transfers financially doped clubs have made.

Not just in the Premier League, the Chinese league Saudi league all the oil clubs have inflated wages and transfer fees. They’ve also allowed financially barely run clubs to get off the hook by buying their pliers. If everyone has to comply to FFP, the market will be fair and more sustainable.

Too many players have ended up on insane wages, Chelsea‘s wage bill was 440 million last year. That is crazy and un sustainable when you add they spent 1 billion on transfers as well. that affected the whole market they single-handedly put the worldwide price of a number six up by buying two for over 100 mill and a third for 60mill.

We’ve seen the consequences of bad transfers and how they have held us back for years, especially when you pay player 200 K a week and he doesn’t play for you. Clubs like Chelsea I’ve got away with this due to she’s in the system.

Bluto Blutarsky · Feb 6, 2024

Trix said:
They need to find over £100mil in a two week period in a market where no one has any money. That 100mil of course needs to be profit selling the likes of Fernandes doesn't help one bit.

Yeah - if its £100M - they could be in trouble.

But, I also think if they thought they were going to get hit with sanctions - they would sack Poch now, since that financial hit would not be what puts them over the edge.

I suspect they are looking to add revenue, in the form of a new sponsorship deal that could somehow pump revenue into this fiscal year, in addition to selling a few HG players for pure profits.

UncleBuck · Feb 6, 2024

Blimey, just listening to this Poch press conference, what on earth is he talking about?

Trix · Feb 6, 2024

GutBucket said:
Still that's just Palmer plus one other player.

No it's not. If they sell palmer for £60mil that will only take £20-30mil(without seeing what they paid for him and his contract length) off the bill, and that's if they can find someone with £60mil to spend in this fiscal year.

Who else do they have to sell Colwill is the only one I can see that would generate a big sum of money. James and Chilwell are disastrously injury prone, Gallagher is coming into the last year of his contract, Broja maybe if he does incredibly well at Fulham but that's doubtful. the rest wouldn't generate hardly anything from a FFP pov.

newbie · Feb 6, 2024

Trix said:
It's due diligence though isn't it, it's the same as any other business.

although I agree with this, I sound like I’m arguing against myself, the difficulty with what Chelsea and city have done, is it’s off the books, so due diligence would be very hard to find because of using third-party to pay the bills not running through the business and the books

Although anyone with half a brain would know that Chelsea were cheating, and I’m sure there are rumours going round in circles of how they and city were doing it?

Trix · Feb 6, 2024

Bluto Blutarsky said:
Yeah - if its £100M - they could be in trouble.

But, I also think if they thought they were going to get hit with sanctions - they would sack Poch now, since that financial hit would not be what puts them over the edge.

I suspect they are looking to add revenue, in the form of a new sponsorship deal that could somehow pump revenue into this fiscal year, in addition to selling a few HG players for pure profits.

Problem is it's points per million that Everton have been hit with. So if they have to pay Poch off it's another £10mil that's another 6 points if we take Everton as the example. It's a huge chunk of money plus you have to give the new guy a contract plus his team. With the numbers we are talking it could see them relegated the following season.

jay2040 · Feb 6, 2024

Rocksuperstar said:
On this one topic, I feel a modicum of respect has to go to the new owners.

When they took charge they had the books examined, found problems, immediately referred themselves to the relevant body. Todd and Co have done this bit by the books, not immediately lawyered up and tried to fight it.

I'd hope they take that into consideration when compared to City and whatever punishment they receive.

If any.

Are you another one that records Chelsea games!
They would have had incentives to take over.
Taking advantage of amortisation rules that they had to be changed hardly deserves any respect.
He is a fuckwit like Roman and the rest of the club!

GutBucket · Feb 6, 2024

Trix said:
No it's not. If they sell palmer for £60mil that will only take £20-30mil(without seeing what they paid for him and his contract length) off the bill, and that's if they can find someone with £60mil to spend in this fiscal year.

Who else do they have to sell Colwill is the only one I can see that would generate a big sum of money. James and Chilwell are disastrously injury prone, Gallagher is coming into the last year of his contract, Broja maybe if he does incredibly well at Fulham but that's doubtful. the rest wouldn't generate hardly anything from a FFP pov.

They will get a lot more for Palmer, he is having one amazing season. He will go for at least double what we paid for Brennan Johnson, even if he wasn't HG and he surely is, plus club trained for City. Rice went for 105m after having a super shitty season, Palmer is younger and one of the best players in the league this year. Main reason why they are in Cup final too. The only problem could be timing, maybe they get few points deducted until they manage to sell few players. But Palmer and Colwill won't take long I bet.

Unless they get injured, then they fucked.

Bluto Blutarsky · Feb 6, 2024

Trix said:
It's due diligence though isn't it, it's the same as any other business.

Yes and no - and this case specifically I think they would get a pass.

The league wanted Chelsea sold - and so they were probably grateful for any ownership group to step up, and will be lenient with the new ownership group for past transgressions - just my onions.

newbie · Feb 6, 2024

jay2040 said:
Are you another one that records Chelsea games!
They would have had incentives to take over.
Taking advantage of amortisation rules that they had to be changed hardly deserves any respect.
He is a fuckwit like Roman and the rest of the club!

roman was clearly very good at making football decisions. Todd, I would say very much less so
Of course, Roman not having to deal with FFP and check the system hugely must’ve helped as well you wonder how corrupt he actually really was. Let’s be honest we had some horrendous decisions against Chelsea

Tucker · Feb 6, 2024

Trix said:
Is it a precedent when it's two different governing bodies?

I’d have thought the principles were the same. It actually sounds like a very similar case too, irregular under the table payments etc, both Spurs and Chelsea’s new owners cooperating fully with the governing bodies.

Unless the premier league have made it clear in their rules that having new owners doesn’t mean a club can’t be punished, I don’t see how it’s really fair for them to punish Chelsea for stuff that happened under Abramovich.

Though personally I think clubs should remain liable when they’ve gained a sporting advantage.

Bluto Blutarsky · Feb 6, 2024

newbie said:
roman was clearly very good at making football decisions. Todd, I would say very much less so
Of course, Roman not having to deal with FFP and check the system hugely must’ve helped as well you wonder how corrupt he actually really was. Let’s be honest we had some horrendous decisions against Chelsea

I don't think Roman made a single football decision - but your point about Boehly is probably correct. He needs to find his own Maria Granovskaia

GutBucket · Feb 6, 2024

newbie said:
roman was clearly very good at making football decisions. Todd, I would say very much less so
Of course, Roman not having to deal with FFP and check the system hugely must’ve helped as well you wonder how corrupt he actually really was. Let’s be honest we had some horrendous decisions against Chelsea

Pretty sure Todd had no idea how CL qualifications work. Feels like they planned their budget with all that extra CL money every year. Even with that it's crazy. I even forgot until today that they paid 100m for Lukaku only 3 years ago.

Rocksuperstar · Feb 6, 2024

jay2040 said:
Are you another one that records Chelsea games!
They would have had incentives to take over.
Taking advantage of amortisation rules that they had to be changed hardly deserves any respect.
He is a fuckwit like Roman and the rest of the club!

Okay. Not sure that furthers the conversation - I've never bought a football club but, like I said, you can't punish Mr B for Mr A's crimes. You can perhaps punish the club retrospectively, (which would be pointless) but to do that you would need to establish the exact "value" of the crime, which I don't see being possible, which leads us back to points, sanctions and potentially a fine to the club.

Points being removed in this season for rule breaks in previous seasons, some so long ago, I don't think will go far in a court either, so +shrug+ I just don't think there's a body with the teeth and the authority to put forward a reasonable, proportional punishment that would satisfy the fans of any club that was a "victim" of their ill-bought success, or actually teach any club a lesson that they didn't know before hand and were still prepared to ignore.

Being a voice of reason isn't a nice job but I'm not going to get myself all hyped up for sanctions or any punishment that is going to make the slightest bit of difference in the long run.

Trix · Feb 6, 2024

GutBucket said:
They will get a lot more for Palmer, he is having one amazing season. He will go for at least double what we paid for Brennan Johnson, even if he wasn't HG and he surely is, plus club trained for City. Rice went for 105m after having a super shitty season, Palmer is younger and one of the best players in the league this year. Main reason why they are in Cup final too. The only problem could be timing, maybe they get few points deducted until they manage to sell few players. But Palmer and Colwill won't take long I bet.

Unless they get injured, then they fucked.

That may be, but not in time. They have to raise the money this financial year by June the 30th and no one has the money to pay what you are saying because of FFP. Utd, Arsenal, Newcastle, Villa all on the line already, that leaves us and Liverpool, and neither will pay close to what you are suggesting to a club who is desperate to sell.

Everton received a 10 point penalty for being £19 mil over and that was with extenuating circumstances. Chelsea are currently over 5 times that with no excuses whatsoever. They'll receive a lot more than a few points if they can't get that number down massively.

newbie · Feb 6, 2024

Bluto Blutarsky said:
I don't think Roman made a single football decision - but your point about Boehly is probably correct. He needs to find his own Maria Granovskaia

lol
Roman, delegated very well. He made a good decision somewhere along the line, unlike Todd, who I can’t think of one is made yet.

Dunc2610 · Feb 6, 2024

Given EVERYONE knows that Chelsea need to sell, why would anyone pay market value, let alone more for any of their players?

Trix · Feb 6, 2024

Bluto Blutarsky said:
Yes and no - and this case specifically I think they would get a pass.

The league wanted Chelsea sold - and so they were probably grateful for any ownership group to step up, and will be lenient with the new ownership group for past transgressions - just my onions.

I agree, and like I said I don't think it's the historical irregularities that will damage them.

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