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jolsnogross

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Cracking Saturday of footy. A DeBruyne masterclass that again suggests he's worth man marking. If you turn it into a 10 vs 10 game, you'll be better off. And he's not pacey, so you just need a very disciplined defensively minded player to annoy the shit out of him.

Arsenal are a well oiled machine at this stage, so they and City have put the required pressure on Liverpool for tomorrow.

Great effort by Brentford too. Such a shame for them that they couldn't hold on. Reguilon playing a full part in their good performance there and we could do with some of our loanees winning contracts elsewhere.

And well done Luton. There are a couple of cheating teams in Everton and Forest fighting with them for a place in the league. It's such a messy situation that I can't say for sure that Luton are staying within the rules too. But if they are, and I have no reason to think otherwise, it'll be a real injustice if they go down while the other two stay up. Another mess in rule application that needs sorting out - especially the timeliness of it.
 
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Cochise

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Anyone else think Brighton might have sabotaged themselves?

De Zerbi wants out and they've let too many players go too soon. They are running on fumes and with their backroom staff almost all going to Chelsea, I kind of expect to see them tumble down the table over the next couple of years.
 
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With the wolves goal at end of game ruled out for offside is it just me that thinks that offside decision is right?
MOTD lads talking about the keeper can move if he thinks the player is impacting his vision, if an offside player is impeding your vision then he's interfering no?
For me the player is clearly standing in front of keeper and impacting on his eye line so if that's the case then isn't that offside?
 
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jolsnogross said:
The Lamptey penalty was such an obvious stone-wall penalty it beggars belief that there's so much belly aching in here about it. Some of that is bug-eyed Spurs bias, but a lot of it is the distorting effect that VAR is having on the game. When normally sensible posters on here are raving about 'disgusting' and 'joke' decsions that are so plainly correct, you see more evidence of how distorting VAR is. It was such an easy call to make in real time, the ref nearly choked on his whistle when giving it. And easy to see on replays that he made no mistake to award it.

Jesus was running at pace inside the box into a dangerous position. He cut inside and Lamptey was about to take a seat. There was a tiny clip of the ball by lamptey that didn't change the direction of the ball, so Jesus would have been able to take advantage of his bit of skill. Meanwhile, as Lamptey is finding his ass, he takes Jesus out. Clear, obvious, easy decision. And yet the couch referees here go on about how "he got the ball" and other nonsense. So weird, and such a silly place we're headed if even obvious decisions like this up for debate in refereeing circles.

VAR affects how players behave and how fans and watchers perceive the rules and the game is going in the wrong direction as a result. Players behaviour is already changing to accommodate this, and that will continue to evolve in such a way as there will be a set of tactics for games covered by VAR and different tactics/behaviourial instructions for games without VAR. It'll be a different game among divisions with and without resources for VAR for every match.

And then more VAR related nonsense to incorrectly disallow Wolves equaliser, which was another obvious goal that is distorted into an arguable situation followed by a wrong decision. Awful, awful stuff.

We'll be better off when VAR is fucked in the bin and we just have tech for goal lines and offside.
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Good for you….maybe it was a penalty, maybe not however I’m an ‘irrational’ Spurs fan who doesn’t like seeing Arsenal get everything their own way. Fine, you thought it was a penalty, no need to use this as a stick to beat other Spurs fans with and then waffle on for paragraphs explaining why they are clearly wrong to prove yourself superior.
 
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luRRka

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sidford said:
With the wolves goal at end of game ruled out for offside is it just me that thinks that offside decision is right?
MOTD lads talking about the keeper can move if he thinks the player is impacting his vision, if an offside player is impeding your vision then he's interfering no?
For me the player is clearly standing in front of keeper and impacting on his eye line so if that's the case then isn't that offside?
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If the keeper has to move to see the ball then the player is offside. It's not a case of the keeper having to move to see. The keeper should be able to stand where he thinks best to stop a goal.

Dont put a player on the keeper to put him off and you don't risk being offside. The west ham disallowed goal for a foul was more of an injustice as the wolves player just threw himself to the floor
 
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Johnny J

Johnny J

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jolsnogross said:
Jesus was running at pace inside the box into a dangerous position. He cut inside and Lamptey was about to take a seat. There was a tiny clip of the ball by lamptey that didn't change the direction of the ball, so Jesus would have been able to take advantage of his bit of skill. Meanwhile, as Lamptey is finding his ass, he takes Jesus out. Clear, obvious, easy decision.
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We must be looking at a different incident. For the pen, Lamptey's challenge clearly deflects the ball and it changes direction.
 
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Johnny J said:
We must be looking at a different incident. For the pen, Lamptey's challenge clearly deflects the ball and it changes direction.
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ball changes direction a lot as well not just a little bit.

Some people are too keen to seem unbiased...
 
Yid-ol

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True, but their fitness, decision making and composure levels, across the board, seem to have rocketed too.
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That all normally drops once they crash out of Europe and cups, so let's see what happens once they get knocked out of the CL.
 
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luRRka said:
If the keeper has to move to see the ball then the player is offside. It's not a case of the keeper having to move to see. The keeper should be able to stand where he thinks best to stop a goal.

Dont put a player on the keeper to put him off and you don't risk being offside. The west ham disallowed goal for a foul was more of an injustice as the wolves player just threw himself to the floor
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Also while I'm on the subject, Lineker says "fabianski wasn't getting to it anyway" since when does the quality of the shot determine offside.

If a player is put through in an offside position and rockets one onto the top corner you don't say, well he's onside cos keeper wouldn't get to it.
 
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cwy21

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sidford said:
With the wolves goal at end of game ruled out for offside is it just me that thinks that offside decision is right?
MOTD lads talking about the keeper can move if he thinks the player is impacting his vision, if an offside player is impeding your vision then he's interfering no?
For me the player is clearly standing in front of keeper and impacting on his eye line so if that's the case then isn't that offside?
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It's an easy offside decision and has always been given in the current laws. The offside player is right in front of the keeper and is even backing up closer to him. If that's allowed then we might as well just chuck the entire law.
 
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Cochise

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There were a few decisions this weekend that I think went the way of the big boys.

Had it been de Bruyne instead of Eze getting run into in the box I reckon City get a pen. Had it been White or Saliba getting some of the ball I reckon the ref waves play on and VAR sticks with the on field decision.
 
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RuskyM

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The Lamptey one's a penalty but it's my least favourite kind of penalty: Jesus has no intention outside of getting tackled and he's in a position he's unlikely to score from...until he gets the contact. Clumsy from the defender, sure, but I wish the threshold for a penalty was higher.

Agree re Brighton: think they could be in trouble next season if more players leave and since de Zerbi's clearly decided he's too big for them.
 
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philll said:
Maguire is United's only fit senior centre back. :nailbiting:
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Ghost Hardware

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Was just watching the Monza v Napoli game where there were 4 goals in under 10 mins in the second half and this Utd game looks like it might be just as end to end
 
Johnny J

Johnny J

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United really can string some nice moves together on the break when they're on each other's wavelengths.
 
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