Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

arunspurs · Apr 13, 2024

Bissouma taken off at 60min. And then Spurs had 75% of possession. We didnt anything with possession given Sonny & Porro were already taken off

For a Ange's style of football, possession and being control is essential. We really missed aerial presence of Rchy today. And Bissouma single handedly cost us the midfield. He neither kept the ball nor won first ball or 2nd ball.

I want Ange to bench Bissouma here on in.

only1waddle · Apr 13, 2024

ItsBoris said:
it actually takes out 7 or 8, because Bissouma is often the one losing it and Porro/Udogie are in front of the ball too. Even Romero is ahead of the ball sometimes lol.
That’s why I say we don’t play like City at all. They use players behind the ball to open teams up too

Udogie does seem to make that forward run on auto pilot when Werner has the ball rather than judge the situation.

funkycoldmedina · Apr 13, 2024

arunspurs said:
Bissouma taken off at 60min. And then Spurs had 75% of possession. We didnt anything with possession given Sonny & Porro were already taken off

For a Ange's style of football, possession and being control is essential. We really missed aerial presence of Rchy today. And Bissouma single handedly cost us the midfield. He neither kept the ball nor won first ball or 2nd ball.

I want Ange to bench Bissouma here on in.

I know what you're saying and he should probably try it in the next few weeks,but that early press,pressure and pace would have had Hojbjerg's head spinning. By the time he came on the sting had gone out of the game.

Wizzy77 · Apr 13, 2024

ItsBoris said:
Thing is we don’t gain anything with that extra body forward, while we lose so much not having a DM. It’s ridiculous

You know my pals were telling me Spurs playing styles mirrors those teams who are one goal down, going gung-ho in injury time.

He isn't entirely wrong either.

arunspurs · Apr 13, 2024

funkycoldmedina said:
I know what you're saying and he should probably try it in the next few weeks,but that early press,pressure and pace would have had Hojbjerg's head spinning. By the time he came on the sting had gone out of the game.

If something is not working, why persist ?
If Bissouma is not in form, lets bring back Skipp. Its not like others cant do a better job here
Between Bentancur , Sarr, Skipp, PEH we can start & play 2 in CM

funkycoldmedina · Apr 13, 2024

arunspurs said:
If something is not working, why persist ?
If Bissouma is not in form, lets bring back Skipp. Its not like others cant do a better job here
Between Bentancur , Sarr, Skipp, PEH we can start & play 2 in CM

I'm guessing he wants Biss next season and not the others.

coy-spurs1882 · Apr 13, 2024

he will be gone at the end of next season if he doesn't learn to adapt to this league

spurs mental · Apr 13, 2024

npearl4spurs said:
These results happened under Klopp too. It's what you would expect from a squad still young, inconsistent, and short in quality in some areas.

The defence is not short on quality though. This the best set of defenders we've had since Walker, Rose, Jan and Toby.

We have not looked like improving as the season has wore on, which is my main concern.

whenstevewentup · Apr 13, 2024

For the first time I’m questioning whether this experiment is worth taking into next season . It’s just not sustainable and the biggest worry for me is maybe the first 10 games were the honeymoon period and new manager bounce and what we see now is a clear lack of structure on and off the ball in training , just the simple basics of marking at pieces . Whatever we think , it’s just not working right now and the big players are not putting in a. Shift

ItsBoris · Apr 13, 2024

Wizzy77 said:
You know my pals were telling me Spurs playing styles mirrors those teams who are one goal down, going gung-ho in injury time.

He isn't entirely wrong either.

Exactly lol something you might get away with for a few minutes against tired legs but not at the start of the game lol

Metalhead · Apr 13, 2024

spurs-r-us said:
We can't do better, but he needs to do better atm

Course he does but this won't be the last bump in the road.

EastUpperDK82 · Apr 13, 2024

funkycoldmedina said:
I know what you're saying and he should probably try it in the next few weeks,but that early press,pressure and pace would have had Hojbjerg's head spinning. By the time he came on the sting had gone out of the game.

And the conclusion is that we need new bodies in central midfield in the summer... it's crucial for our new style of play... Biss, PEH, Skipp etc... won't be enough to execute it as Ange wants.

TOLBINY · Apr 13, 2024

fishhhandaricecake said:
Exactly mate, it’s the nature of modern society, react short term to everything without looking at context and long term.

Alex Ferguson never would’ve lasted at Man.U in todays society…

I’ve seen enough positives that are worth making sure we give ange a good good amount of time and patience to properly implement his system and improve these young players and sign him a good 5-6 players he needs this summer.

That being said there is certainly an argument that he needs to tweak his tactics a bit as they are getting exposed at this level quite often now and hard to say how much of a difference better new players will make.

We beat Newcastle 4-1 at home, they beat us 4-0 at home, it is what it is.

Remind me of your comments about Conte -remember him - the guy who got us and kept us 4th with an aging goalkeeper, a pathetic excuse for a defensive squad and mid-week football limiting training time and increasing player fatigue. Oh yeah and the guy who got pelters for not giving Bissouma enough game time!

Conte asked for time and patience a week before his last game for us - but hey - why give a proven winner at this level time and patience - nah - let's get rid.

Antonio Conte suggests there is a 'big job' to do at Tottenham, but 'no patience'.

Ahead of this weekend's match against Nottingham Forest, Antonio Conte spoke to the media to discuss the expectations at the club, the atmosphere, and more.

www.vavel.com

For the record I do not want Ange out - not because I think he has what it takes to lead us to glory - I have no idea if he has or not because he has not had other jobs at this level to prove that one way or the other - I want Ange to continue because I am fed up of chop & change. Give him time the time and patience we failed to give Conte to compile the squad he wants and mould the team in his image, and let's see where that takes us.

Sp3akerboxxx · Apr 13, 2024

npearl4spurs said:
These results happened under Klopp too. It's what you would expect from a squad still young, inconsistent, and short in quality in some areas.

Klopp finished 4th and made it to two finals, while having European football to contend with.

We're 5th and got bombed out of both cups early with no European football.

Our first 11 is also superior man for man than klopps 1st Liverpool season.

arunspurs · Apr 13, 2024

funkycoldmedina said:
I'm guessing he wants Biss next season and not the others.

And no wonder, our performances been shit of late

roy@SC · Apr 13, 2024

whenstevewentup said:
For the first time I’m questioning whether this experiment is worth taking into next season . It’s just not sustainable and the biggest worry for me is maybe the first 10 games were the honeymoon period and new manager bounce and what we see now is a clear lack of structure on and off the ball in training , just the simple basics of marking at pieces . Whatever we think , it’s just not working right now and the big players are not putting in a. Shift

Think he will obviously stay into next season. But there are alot of clear and very worrying issues & trends which he just doesn't seem to want to address. There is simply no structure to our team and it falls apart far too easily. I'm amazed he has persisted with Bissouma and the double inverted full back tactic which looks like it has been found out and teams just break on us far too easily. Also set pieces are a concern. Let's see what the summer brings in the transfer market but I do believe Ange will need to hit the ground running next season.

WiganSpur · Apr 13, 2024

coy-spurs1882 said:
he will be gone at the end of next season if he doesn't learn to adapt to this league

Yeah. Can’t just pin it on Bissouma there are 100% tactical problems to sort out too.

cliff jones · Apr 13, 2024

ItsBoris said:
Thing is we don’t gain anything with that extra body forward, while we lose so much not having a DM. It’s ridiculous

Having both fbs in an already congested midfield doesn’t really seem to achieve much- we still intelligent runs and incisive passing

ajspurs · Apr 13, 2024

fishhhandaricecake said:
Great approach and agree might need to tweak the system a bit in addition to some new better players

Indeed. All I want to see is the desire to do so really, because at the moment it looks like we have just a few glaring issues in our play that we haven't shown the willingness to address. I just think it's quite important because it's one of those tactical elements that can leave you open to simply anyone. It''s why we were thrashed today, away to Fulham, away to Brighton, and have been outplayed at home for large majorities against the likes of Everton and Bournemouth.

Don't mean to be too negative though. Like said if we show signs of trying to tighten up and hold importance of actually keeping clean sheets and keeping the opposition chances to a minimum, it's onwards and upwards

arunspurs said:
If it were up to me, I would like us to keep 3rd player back along with 2 CBs...atleast away from home
At home, I dont mind full blooded Ange tactics of leaving only 2CBs at back.

Ange has to learn and be adaptable. Not keep saying I will only play this way.

Control is the most important factor. Away from home, being a bit more stricter in defense is only way to progress.

But I cannot see Ange changing his way. And this will be his downfall eventually whether its in 1 or 2 3 years from now

Most certainly. I'd be so happy to see that, to keep a 3rd player back for away matches or even some select home matches, but at home to generally be more full-blooded in approach. Arsenal were fantastic in their attacking play last season and almost won the league, but still saw the need to tighten up their defence despite that and are benefitting from it.

I agree in that I don't think it will end well if we continue to, not play as we are, as I can accept up and downs in our play and performance at this early stage in our development, but to approach games as we do. Like said a few times, can only hope we see even just a desire to change in this regard.

Nick-TopSpursMan · Apr 13, 2024

Sp3akerboxxx said:
Klopp finished 4th and made it to two finals, while having European football to contend with.

We're 5th and got bombed out of both cups early with no European football.

Our first 11 is also superior man for man than klopps 1st Liverpool season.

Klopp finished 8th in his first season at Liverpool.

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