Can't fathom how this can be so hard to understand. And even used as an argument against him.
Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou
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Ange is an anomaly - fine and thank you for the answer.
Can you have a stab at answering why would Conte want to leave a £15M a year job?
Why did Conte no longer want a £15M a year job?
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If we lost every single game it would be more the Train to Busan
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Ask it in the Conte thread at this point mate
I think especially in the case of Brighton, loads of people were talking about how far ahead of us they were, in terms of their scouting, their coaching, their progressive style of football and so on. They were the model to be emulated.
We finished two points below them last season and 12 goals behind them in goal difference. Now we’re 16 points ahead of them and 14 goals ahead in goal difference.
Ok, that’s just Brighton. But we’re also still 10 points ahead of Man U, who finished 17 points above us last season, and 10 points ahead of Newcastle who finished 11 points ahead of us last season.
It’s only really us and Villa who have any chance of finishing fourth now.
We also have the same amount of points as we amassed last season, with six games still left to play.
That looks like progress to me?
Ok we’re not in Europe but we have had several major obstacles to navigate, like learning a new system and losing our best player.
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Interesting listening to last few minutes of the view from the lane comparing Jack pitt Brookes view of Ange & his cult and Danny Kelly & his more maybe pragmatism regards him. It's well worth a listen, I'm more JPB to be honest but understand where Danny is coming from
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Fucking weird that if you wanted to listen to it on The Athletic you would have to pay money.
But they let you listen to it for free on Apple Podcasts.
Do they get no advertising revenue from their own website?
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If you listen on athletic you don't get any ads
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I didn't get any ads on Google Podcast
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That's all very well, but at the end of the day it also comes down to not being tactically naive.
There's playing a high line and then there's playing a HIGH line. Now I've nothing against compressing the play up the pitch - even if it means there's always the risk of the opposition lumping it over the top for someone to run on to and it thus becomes a foot face.
However, when the play has become so compressed that it's impossible for the opposing forward (Isak) to be offside because he's still inside his own half when the ball is actually lumped over the top, then I have issues.
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Why has he stopped everyone actually shooting!! I’m mean Sonny and Maddison get 20 goals a season usually. We just fuck about with it and lose possession. Not unlike Conte tbf.
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One of the big problems we have currently imo is that we simply don’t have anyone in attack who has the individual ability to score goals or create from moments of magic.
Son used to score screamers from nothing but he doesn’t shoot now and he’s also starting to naturally decline.
If you look at the nature of our other attackers, Johnson has scored his goals from big chances that have been created for him, same with Werner. Deki is the same really.
We don’t have anyone who can do things like Saka, Foden, Doku the other day etc.
A lot of that comes back to a lack of 1v1 ability and we have to rectify it asap because every team, no matter how good they are, will always have an element of being able to create chances and goals from nothing or tight spaces.
These are the fine margins which open up tight games or win matches at vital moments etc.
It is really great how Ange has got us scoring a lot of team goals from nicely created chances but I think it’s really important that he adds players to our squad who can bring individual quality as this will make us a lot more dangerous.
Son used to score screamers from nothing but he doesn’t shoot now and he’s also starting to naturally decline.
If you look at the nature of our other attackers, Johnson has scored his goals from big chances that have been created for him, same with Werner. Deki is the same really.
We don’t have anyone who can do things like Saka, Foden, Doku the other day etc.
A lot of that comes back to a lack of 1v1 ability and we have to rectify it asap because every team, no matter how good they are, will always have an element of being able to create chances and goals from nothing or tight spaces.
These are the fine margins which open up tight games or win matches at vital moments etc.
It is really great how Ange has got us scoring a lot of team goals from nicely created chances but I think it’s really important that he adds players to our squad who can bring individual quality as this will make us a lot more dangerous.
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That is pretty much exactly what City, Scum and Pool do all the time.
The difference is they recover better and either win it back before the ball is played and or position themselves in stronger positions to cut out more of the counters. Even then they all get done. Look at City away to Palace last week, got done after 4 minutes. Scum got done with Watkins goal at the weekend etc.
The main issue with Newcastle’s 3rd goal and Isak running in was really that VdV had a complete nightmare. He let him run off him when he had total responsibility and visibility of him. As soon as the ball was being played he should have already been with Isak and tracking him. Had he done this he’d have stopped the counter in its tracks and given our other players time to recover.
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One of the central tenets of Ange style is surely a heavy press of the opposition defence.
This is something we don't see anymore. There is always an easy outball. Sonny goes racing up to the goalie holding the ball, who then easily passes out to unmarked defenders. This is in stark contrast to say, Newcastle who locked us up good..
Like our midfielders not getting back quick enough it's a question of plain effort not being put in. We hear a lot about growth, but it's all for nothing if players aren't motivated.
This is something we don't see anymore. There is always an easy outball. Sonny goes racing up to the goalie holding the ball, who then easily passes out to unmarked defenders. This is in stark contrast to say, Newcastle who locked us up good..
Like our midfielders not getting back quick enough it's a question of plain effort not being put in. We hear a lot about growth, but it's all for nothing if players aren't motivated.
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They’ve not been able to line up a shot as the opposition get back quickly in numbers and our build up play is too slow. If they saw space they would.
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I honestly think they'd be better just left to their own devices than following the instruction they currently are when it comes to defending set pieces. Right now we are just static in the box looking after our own individual 2m² plot with unmarked opposition players running wherever they like. This gives them momentum in the jump and the ability to create mismatches. At least if they were just left to their own accord they'd at least look to pick up players by default.
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I think the main issue is in a high quality pressing team, players with an ability to execute a long accurate pass to an Isak don't have the time to actually get their head up and get an accurate pass away. We're allowing that at the moment and it's devastating. It will change though IMHO.
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