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A nice article by James Lawton - Independent

C-oops

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Well put by him I think

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...outshone-robots-of-the-potteries-6276190.html


The Stoke City fashioned with ferocious application by their manager, Tony Pulis, have so many admirable qualities it is not an easy thing to say, but say it one must. Their victory over Tottenham, apart from being almost entirely the result of some of the most egregiously wretched match officiating we are ever likely to see, was a triumph for anti-football.
Indeed, in terms of natural justice, of that warm feeling which comes when you know that the right thing has happened, it wasn't very far from a street mugging.
It was, if we can put aside for a moment the appalling performance of referee Chris Foy, a superbly marshalled version of the dark force, no doubt. Certainly, it was enough to send a surge of pride through the Potteries region which once gave the world the unforgettable magic of the late Sir Stanley Matthews.
You might care to throw in some other commendations.
Certainly, you can praise Pulis's continued ability to present the aristocrats of English football with insuperable problems while operating on the treadmill of Thursday night Europa League football and a sharply inferior budget.
You have to respect a professional duty to make life as difficult as possible for your most formidable opponents. You have to warm to some degree to a team so utterly unfazed by the kind of shortfall in natural-born ability they experienced on Sunday against the likes of Luka Modric, Gareth Bale and Emmanuel Adebayor.
You can even go some way with the splendid old pro Dion Dublin when he declares that one of the great virtues of Stoke is their refusal to "complicate things".
Yet can anyone truly say, once they have taken from the equation the old force of tribal loyalty, that watching Stoke City on a regular basis has much of an edge on a session of root-canal work?
Is the special towel sewn into the shirt of Ryan Shotton, the long-throw successor to the legendary ball-hurler Rory Delap, an article that speaks of the spontaneous glory of the world's favourite game or a robot's artefact?
This is not to insult a young player who, when he isn't throwing the ball vast distances at the head of Peter Crouch, displays some impressively well-rounded football gifts. It is more to worry about the point at which a single tactic is not an arrow in your quiver but pretty much the whole shooting match.
Yes, Stoke do have other assets and most conspicuously a relish for the battle which has established them in the Premier League. Also true is the fact that in the first half against Spurs they showed far more appetite and concentration for the job in hand. The trouble was that Tottenham in the end adjusted to the demands of the contest, produced football that was both wonderfully engaging and, by some distance, deserving of the spoils.
That they didn't receive their rewards was a direct result of official incompetence, an example of it which was so relentless it might have served as Exhibit A in the case for overall match supervision that can draw upon the instant TV evidence available to everyone but the referee – one who, in this case, utterly distorted the result of a game which might just affect the outcome of such important matters as the destiny of the League title or a place in the Champions League.
In the circumstances, Spurs' manager Harry Redknapp reacted with impressive restraint. In his half-time readjustments, Redknapp recognised the effectiveness of the Stoke tactics and produced a belated game plan which in normal circumstances would surely have been properly reward.
No doubt many will say that bad stuff happens in football, as elsewhere, and that the obligation is to get on with it. However, what happened at the Britannia Stadium was in some ways a classic test of top-flight English football's ability to render something other than a travesty of anything that passed for justice.
This isn't to whinge on behalf of football's resurrected glamour teams, an outfit Bill Shankly once christened, with a snarl, "the Drury Lane Boys". Some Stoke fans were no doubt inclined to agree with that description after Modric went down for a penalty somewhat theatrically. They booed the brilliant little man relentlessly, but the reality was that it was unquestionably a penalty. Another one was that Spurs had ultimately produced an impressive antidote to the problem of Stoke.
They did it with the football that lifts the heart. They did it with wit and pace and at times quite sumptuous skill. They reminded us why we bother with all the excesses of the game, all the self-promoting hype and the often dreary functionalism produced by players earning more than heart surgeons. It is because we seek out those moments when the game becomes beautiful in its fluent rhythm and explosive possibilities.
Less pleasing for the neutral eye, though Stoke fans could maybe not care less, is the trajectory of a throw rifled into a mass of largely anarchic bodies straining for the crucial flick-on. This, with the help of a palpable handling of the ball by Crouch, gave Stoke the vital momentum against a team who had come with a different set of priorities. It was, yes of course, a formidable pressure but long before the end it had been effectively countered.
This did not, however, cause too much of a dent in the belief that, if the circumstances were maybe a little outrageous, the result was still a triumph for a certain kind of courage. Maybe so but it will never replace the allure of real football.
 

OneHotspur1988

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I hate stoke, more so now than what I did before.

Nothing will be done about foy, even though he robbed us of 3 points
 

ethanedwards

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A very good article from the always readable Mr Lawton, I hope the powers at be, take note.
 

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Wordy word word. Good words. Flowery words.
 

guate

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I just enjoy seeing more pressure being put on Chris Foy, hoping that this article along with others make the inept F.A. sit up and take stock of the corrupt side of the Premier league. For a man to have made so many obvious mistakes beggar's belief and I for one believe the S.O.B. was paid off
 

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So "The top four" precarious hold on the top four positions was given a boost over the last few days as Stoke City were assisted in halting the inevitable surge from a pretentious Tottenham Hotspur,which was promptly put back in to its place by means untoward.

Meanwhile pretenders Manchester City were dished out a similar fate by twelve man Chelsea, thus ensuring that even yet the "real top four" still hold fate in its own hands.
 

RJ1882

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Its unfair to put any of this blame on Stoke really. They played a good game, dominated us for 45mins and were deservedly in the lead at the break.

In teh second half, Redkanpp got his tactis spot on, we played much better as a team and should have won the game. The referee cost us, not Stoke.

Bastard.
 

SugarRay

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Anti-football does not exist. It's nonsense. There is no set way of playing, one of the reasons why it's the greatest sport there is.

What's wrong with kicking it long and high and using a throw in to launch attacks? Nothing at all.

"Anti-football" is a term created by ****s that think the likes of Barcelona or that pile of turd up the road play the game "the right way"

I think Barcelona are as much "anti-football" as Stoke! Constantly falling to the ground, looking to cheat whenever they can etc.
 

Super Tottenham

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Anti-football does not exist. It's nonsense. There is no set way of playing, one of the reasons why it's the greatest sport there is.

What's wrong with kicking it long and high and using a throw in to launch attacks? Nothing at all.

"Anti-football" is a term created by ****s that think the likes of Barcelona or that pile of turd up the road play the game "the right way"

I think Barcelona are as much "anti-football" as Stoke! Constantly falling to the ground, looking to cheat whenever they can etc.

Stokes time wasting is certainly anti-football. The ball is in play less than any other games when they play.
 

JerryGarcia

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There's a great comment under that article from a Liverpool Fan to a Stoke fan...

The passion for your team is praiseworthy, as is your well spoken overviews on the game in question and Stoke themselves.
Enough to warrant a "like" on both your posts.

You must, though, be aware that teams like Stoke...Blackburn.. Bolton.. etc, by their very desperate need for PL survival , adopt an approach to the game that rarely appeals to the neutral. ("who cares?" you have every right to say.."we do what`s required"...and thats tough to argue).
But , much as I hate to do this to any readers, I can`t help but conjure disturbing analogous imagery :

Football is like sex. When both partners are in the groove and in top form, it`s fun, exciting, exhilarating and has a fair and satisfying climax.
Sadly...currently..football Stoke-style is like sex with Anne Widdicombe. The act remains the same, but no one wants to watch, no one wants to be part of it, and in HD on a 47 inch plasma TV, it`s actually disturbing. The climax to both, if achieved at all, is best forgotten and not repeated.

:)
 

dvdhopeful

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The anti football stuff is usually spouted by the teams that loses, nobod gives much of a fuck if they are winning. As someone else said, it was Foy and our first half performance that did for us, Stoke can play the game however they want, despite what the media might want us to believe, there isn't a right or wrong way to play.
 

JerryGarcia

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I'm not a fan of the term "Anti Football" but if it does exist then it should be used for teams who set out to waste time from the start or blatantly and continuously break the rules. I can't think of any other reasons to use it off the top of my head, as long as you stick to the rules of the game then it must be football right?
 

ExpatFan

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Anti-football does not exist. It's nonsense. There is no set way of playing, one of the reasons why it's the greatest sport there is.

What's wrong with kicking it long and high and using a throw in to launch attacks? Nothing at all.

"Anti-football" is a term created by ****s that think the likes of Barcelona or that pile of turd up the road play the game "the right way"

I think Barcelona are as much "anti-football" as Stoke! Constantly falling to the ground, looking to cheat whenever they can etc.
I had to read that twice, just to make sure. Are you saying Barcelona's style of play is no different to Stoke's? Please, please tell me you're not.
 

Bulletspur

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Anti-football does not exist. It's nonsense. There is no set way of playing, one of the reasons why it's the greatest sport there is.

What's wrong with kicking it long and high and using a throw in to launch attacks? Nothing at all.

"Anti-football" is a term created by ****s that think the likes of Barcelona or that pile of turd up the road play the game "the right way"

I think Barcelona are as much "anti-football" as Stoke! Constantly falling to the ground, looking to cheat whenever they can etc.
IMO Anti-football does exist. Time wasting, dives, trying to get other players sent off are a few of the variables that I would class as anti-football.

However I do agree with your views that there is no right or wrong way of playing, as long as its within the rules, and is in the spirit of fairness. It might be boring or not pleasing to the eyes but if it takes long balls and route one for Stoke to beat their opponents then good luck to them. For teams like ours with CL and cup aspirations, we have to be processional enough and have the quality to beat teams like Stoke. Obviously this can only be achieved if we don't have a Foysque like referee!!
 

SugarRay

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I had to read that twice, just to make sure. Are you saying Barcelona's style of play is no different to Stoke's? Please, please tell me you're not.

Of course not!!!

The way their players ( play ) act is as "anti-football" as anything Stoke carry out.

Nothing to do with styles, tic tac/route one etc.

Busquets is a bigger stain on the game than Rory Delap. Can quote me on that!!!
 

C-oops

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A good point in the article is that we adapted (eventually) to their style and pissed all over them in the second half. We lost because of rules not being adhered to by both stoke and the ref. Stoke can play how they as long as they stick to the rules. Long balls and throws are fine. Just another tactic to use. A clever one when you have to use players with limited skill. What ain't in the rules is time wasting, rugby tackling and shirt pulling...
 
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