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A positive take on Spurs as a club

ajspurs

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...ttenham-admirable-club-rest-want-emulate.html

Chokers lacking ambition? No, Tottenham are an admirable club the rest should want to emulate

  • Spurs are an established elite team and have overtaken Arsenal in north London
  • They lost in a domestic semi-final for the third season in a row on Thursday night
  • But Mauricio Pochettino's work has attracted lascivious glances from rivals
  • Dan Evans had some nerve to casually disrespect the skills of doubles players
  • Hugh McIlvanney could sum up a life in a short burst of devastating insight
Tottenham's Carabao Cup semi-final penalty shoot-out defeat by Chelsea on Thursday night was met with widespread mirth. Spurs had gone all Spursy. Again.

Social media was awash with pictures of bottles. Chelsea's new signing, Gonzalo Higuain, it was said, had been in the country for six hours and had reached the same number of English cup finals as Spurs in the last 10 seasons.

Everybody wanted to get involved. Arsenal fans and ex-players were particularly pleased, for obvious reasons. Wojciech Szczesny, an Arsenal legend in his own mind, posted a video on social media of him singing into the camera. 'It's happened again, it's happened again,' he droned with a smirk, before breaking off. 'You know the rest,' he added.

Yes, we know the rest. We know that Spurs lost in a domestic semi-final for the third season in a row. We also know that for the third season in a row, they are playing some of the most attractive football in the Premier League. We also know that, unlike so many of the basket-case clubs that fritter away their impossible riches on fickle fancies and follies, they are growing and improving all the time.

We know that, over the last five years, Spurs' net spend is lower than all but two Premier League clubs. We know that they don't blow the wealth the television companies throw at them quite as brazenly as some of their rivals. We know that they have ploughed much of their revenue into their new stadium. We know their finances are relatively stable. It's old fashioned, I know, but I like that template.

It is amusing how Janus-faced many of us have become about football club profligacy. Most commonly, we are keen to decry clubs for obscene spending on player transfers and agent fees. Clubs who spend to excess are accused of trying to buy success as if their financial dealings somehow delegitimise what they achieve.

The idea is that they have taken a short-cut to success, rather than earned it. The idea is that that success is therefore vulgar and without merit. We are supposed to infer from it a lack of tradition in the spending club and, furthermore, a lack of talent. The club could not create success through its academy so it went out and waved its wad to get the job done instead.

And yet when Spurs go a summer without spending any money at all on transfers, as they did last summer, we lambast them, too. We accuse them of negligence and parsimony and lack of ambition and we chip away at a sub-text that ENIC, the club's owners, and Daniel Levy, the Spurs chairman, are simply too mean to chuck £50million or more at the superstar player who might help them win a trophy.

Maybe it's just that I spent some time this week in the company of Accrington Stanley owner, Andy Holt, one of the foremost critics of the spending madness blighting the Premier League and sending so many of our clubs towards the brink of ruin but I admire the approach Spurs have taken compared to many of their rivals.

They are third in the league and they are in the last 16 of the Champions League. If they negotiate a difficult away tie against Crystal Palace on Sunday, they will be in the FA Cup fifth round. They are about to move into what those who have seen it suggest will be the best club stadium in England and they have an impressive new training ground.

They are established as a top-rank elite English team now, partly because they have invested so much in their infrastructure. It's a treat to watch them play. Christian Eriksen, Dele Alli, Harry Kane and Son Heung-Min are wonderful players and Mauricio Pochettino is a manager whose work has attracted lascivious glances from many directions, not least Manchester United.

Sure, sometimes I've wished Levy would sanction more spending for Pochettino. Sometimes, I've thought his penchant for leaving the conclusion of transfers to the 11th hour has cost the club points. The bigger picture, though, is that Spurs have overtaken Arsenal in north London and are currently the closest challengers to Liverpool and Manchester City.

So, going back to Szczesny's inanities, yes, we know the rest. The rest is that Spurs are a club to be admired. If the rest of the Premier League followed their example, it would be a better place.
 

SpursSince1980

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From the Daily Fail of all places!!

But in all seriousness... He makes many a good point. We are a club that should be admired for the way we go about our business. Of course we are keenly aware of all the limitations that come with punching above your weight... But the fact that over the last four years we have been able to stay in the ring and go toe-to-toe with heavyweights and not get knocked out, is something to be very proud of. It's not easy or pleasing to the fans when you have to live within limited means in the short term, to achieve a much grander goal in the long term. But to do it in the way we have is exceptional. And when opposing fans and wind ups like Chokekezny gleefully take to their social media bullhorns to stick in the knife, it only tells me that they are jealous and threatened by our club and what we are building. Nice to see one of the more respected sport journos giving us some quality respect!
 
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spursfan77

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The article probably hits a few nails on the head as to where the jealousy stems from other fans if you ask me.

A few years ago the media used to pan clubs for spending too much and paying their players too much. Now it’s the other way round, you get complained about if you don’t piss loads of your money away like a lot of clubs (but not all) do.
 

cider spurs

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Whilst a refreshing article, the truth is football, for better or worse has moved on.

Owners want quick success, seldom are managers given time to build a legacy.

It's admirable that we are looking to do things the 'right way' but money is king, and will usually win out in the long game.

We're going very well these past few seasons, but I'm of the thinking that if we are going to take the next step then we too as a club have to join those that spend serious wedge.

Now I'm not suggesting for one minute that I like the idea of being state funded or have a free spending 'sugar daddy'

- I enjoy very much securing the win against these multi million pound budget teams considering our budget in comparison -

But what I am hoping is that we bite the bullet a little more if possible and start to battle a bit more for some of the quality available once in a while.

Hopefully, unlike many other clubs, we'll give our manager time to create a dominating team.

How long that takes, and how long that lasts will ultimately come down to money.

Will we still be considered admirable then...I'm not so sure.
 

Lighty64

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Whilst a refreshing article, the truth is football, for better or worse has moved on.

Owners want quick success, seldom are managers given time to build a legacy.

It's admirable that we are looking to do things the 'right way' but money is king, and will usually win out in the long game.

We're going very well these past few seasons, but I'm of the thinking that if we are going to take the next step then we too as a club have to join those that spend serious wedge.

Now I'm not suggesting for one minute that I like the idea of being state funded or have a free spending 'sugar daddy'

- I enjoy very much securing the win against these multi million pound budget teams considering our budget in comparison -

But what I am hoping is that we bite the bullet a little more if possible and start to battle a bit more for some of the quality available once in a while.

Hopefully, unlike many other clubs, we'll give our manager time to create a dominating team.

How long that takes, and how long that lasts will ultimately come down to money.

Will we still be considered admirable then...I'm not so sure.

The thing is we have got to where we are through building a squad, and haven’t been able to go that extra step because of 2 things. 1, the stadium 2, we haven’t been a selling club like we used to.

The 3 money clubs a lot of the time take the hits on players going out. Liverpool sold their players at big fees which has masked their spending, but since Bale went we haven’t sold one star player. Okay that might change this summer with Toby and Eriksen, and with both we are going to have to hope we can not only find a replacement that can do the job, but hopefully help towards finding one of the missing pieces of our jigsaw.

It would be great to win a trophy, and for the players to get over the final hurdle, but if we managed to win a trophy the way we have done it, there will be a lot of very proud supporters
 

cider spurs

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The thing is we have got to where we are through building a squad, and haven’t been able to go that extra step because of 2 things. 1, the stadium 2, we haven’t been a selling club like we used to.

The 3 money clubs a lot of the time take the hits on players going out. Liverpool sold their players at big fees which has masked their spending, but since Bale went we haven’t sold one star player. Okay that might change this summer with Toby and Eriksen, and with both we are going to have to hope we can not only find a replacement that can do the job, but hopefully help towards finding one of the missing pieces of our jigsaw.

It would be great to win a trophy, and for the players to get over the final hurdle, but if we managed to win a trophy the way we have done it, there will be a lot of very proud supporters


Some valid points, but before all the stadium commitment, can we honestly say we went the extra mile every now and then in pursuit of higher quality talent.

This of course was before the fees and market rocketed.

I really am proud of where we have come as a club and like many think we are close to winning a title or cups, but am also not naive enough to realise that the difference will be most probably retaining key players and signing the few quality additions that we are short.

I know we have a massive financial commitment with the stadium, but for me, whenever we are on the cusp of achieving something truly great, we as a club always fail to seize the moment and add that bit of quality to get over the line.


Like I say, admirable I'd agree with thus far considering from whence we came back in the day, but this model is only going to get us so far.

Maybe the new stadium will change the scenario in the transfer stakes, I'm not so sure about dramatically though.

This current squad has a cycle, same as all others in football. Whilst very proud of what they have, or are achieving, fail to win anything, part of me will always feel that a great opportunity was missed to have won the league if we'd added a bit more quality and were brave.

How we got the extra cash for this...who knows, and there lies the problem, if we want to be considered 'doing it the right way' and 'admirable' for this model, how do we take the next step.
 

Lighty64

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Some valid points, but before all the stadium commitment, can we honestly say we went the extra mile every now and then in pursuit of higher quality talent.

This of course was before the fees and market rocketed.

I really am proud of where we have come as a club and like many think we are close to winning a title or cups, but am also not naive enough to realise that the difference will be most probably retaining key players and signing the few quality additions that we are short.

I know we have a massive financial commitment with the stadium, but for me, whenever we are on the cusp of achieving something truly great, we as a club always fail to seize the moment and add that bit of quality to get over the line.


Like I say, admirable I'd agree with thus far considering from whence we came back in the day, but this model is only going to get us so far.

Maybe the new stadium will change the scenario in the transfer stakes, I'm not so sure about dramatically though.

This current squad has a cycle, same as all others in football. Whilst very proud of what they have, or are achieving, fail to win anything, part of me will always feel that a great opportunity was missed to have won the league if we'd added a bit more quality and were brave.

How we got the extra cash for this...who knows, and there lies the problem, if we want to be considered 'doing it the right way' and 'admirable' for this model, how do we take the next step.

well in ENIC's 1st 10 seasons our average net was +20m when considering fees weren't so high, plus we 1st applied for the stadium in 2008 and apologies but not sure exactly when we moved from Chigwell to the new training facilities.

when you think back then we was also a selling club which we no longer are, though no one knows whats around the corner, so 20m was higher. yes we had 1 big window when threatened with relegation, and to be honest at the end of January 2016 the season we lost out to Leicester we was in 4th 5pts behind and not many players needing to be replaced. we might of finished 3rd in the end, but when it come to watching us play not many teams where as exciting to watch.

if you had told me at the end of 2003 that I could of parked dead opposite the stadium without a cost, and id witness what we have, I would of, either had you sectioned, or id of found the money and crawled from my car to the ground and kept my season ticket.
 
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tobi

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Nice article but I think it's only fair to post a paragraph and then the a link to the rest.
 

Seafordian Spurs

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'Wojciech Szczesny, an Arsenal legend in his own mind... ' Pretty much sums up that frying pan faced fuck wit
 

shelfboy68

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It is in fairness a good read and while there is much to be admired about the article having the admiration of the Accrington Stanley chairman isn't going to help the club win the league or CL nonetheless it's a positive spin which is nice to see.
 

Kspur

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Nice article but I think it's only fair to post a paragraph and then the a link to the rest.

Tough one. Normally I’d wholeheartedly agree but it’s the mail. I guess we should reward the good though or they’ll never change.
 

JimmyG2

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The money junkies
mainlining on dodgy income
especially Chelsea and City
haven't actually won trophies
They've bought them.
FA will introduce
buy one get one free soon.

Always hated shopping
except for absolute essentials.
Grow your own
fresher and much better for you.
 
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