Alex Morgan

[Lancaster Spur]

Why do some people get so very upset when people talk about how attractive she is?

Because a person's worth as a footballer or indeed a human being isn't determined by the way they look.

Even if that wasn't insinuated by the comment, even if it's not a conscious thought, it is exactly the type of comment which needs to be reduced/eradicated if we are to have a fully equal society.

I say this a father of a young daughter who I am always fighting for to make sure she is treated in exactly the same way as her brother. I get annoyed when my son gets asked if he wants to play for Spurs, yet my daughter doesn't, out of the two she is far more likely to be a sportsperson than he is yet that's never a consideration.

 

[easley91]

I've seen plenty female fans talk the same way about male footballers. It's a touchy subject, but all I said was she makes the shirt look good (and she is attractive no doubt). Nothing sexualised in it whatsoever.

She is an incredible footballer, one of the best of her generation (possibly ever) and she will no doubt show it.

 

[Real_madyidd]

Why do some people get so very upset when people talk about how attractive she is?

Only ugly people do.

 

[G Ron]

I've seen plenty female fans talk the same way about male footballers. It's a touchy subject, but all I said was she makes the shirt look good (and she is attractive no doubt). Nothing sexualised in it whatsoever.

She is an incredible footballer, one of the best of her generation (possibly ever) and she will no doubt show it.

Exactly this, the worlds gone if you can’t say someone is attractive these days. If that’s a crime then I’d better not open my mouth ever again.

lots of comments on this very site about our very own Gazza from female fans and most of the EPL from our very own @freeeki mostly I see it as a respectful compliment

I have a 9 year old daughter who plays football by the way and I’m in no way offended.

Edit - @freeeki is an absolute legend in my eyes FYI. Always cracks me up and I find myself winnering or giving funny ratings to all his posts

 

[easley91]

Exactly this, the worlds gone if you can’t say someone is attractive these days. If that’s a crime then I’d better not open my mouth ever again.

lots of comments on this very site about our very own Gazza from female fans and most of the EPL from our very own @freeeki mostly I see it as a respectful compliment

I have a 9 year old daughter who plays football by the way and I’m in no way offended.

What I hate is when it's generalised as just solely guys who do these things. But that is another subject for another thread.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Hope she gets a better service from midfielders than I have seen so far in two games that Spurs Women have played , it's been a bit like watching men's team no service from midfield . Her debut must assume against Woolwich Women in cup next week , that is going to be tough.

 

[G Ron]

Hope she gets a better service from midfielders than I have seen so far in two games that Spurs Women have played , it's been a bit like watching men's team no service from midfield . Her debut must assume against Woolwich Women in cup next week , that is going to be tough.

Sorry for being lazy and not researching this myself, but what position do her team mates we also signed play in? Could they provide her with the service possibly?

 

[King of Otters]

Because a person's worth as a footballer or indeed a human being isn't determined by the way they look.

Even if that wasn't insinuated by the comment, even if it's not a conscious thought, it is exactly the type of comment which needs to be reduced/eradicated if we are to have a fully equal society.

I say this a father of a young daughter who I am always fighting for to make sure she is treated in exactly the same way as her brother. I get annoyed when my son gets asked if he wants to play for Spurs, yet my daughter doesn't, out of the two she is far more likely to be a sportsperson than he is yet that's never a consideration.

Is that really what’s implied when one person acknowledges that another person is attractive?

Not for me, Jeff.

 

[Cochise]

Is that really what’s implied when one person acknowledges that another person is attractive?

Not for me, Jeff.

This is it for me.

The comment of "wow she's x,y,z...oh and handy in front of goal too", I get as being insulting and taking away from the fact that she's an athlete first. However just stating that she's attractive shouldn't be viewed as a negative.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Modern society’s quest to androgenise and homogenise all of civilisation is somewhat predicated on the erasure of overt, expressed attraction, because the second someone is deemed to be attractive, there is a subconscious inference made by those who differ in appearance that the physical form of the person in question is being elevated above that person’s own as an example of how people of that category (or who identify as being part of that category) should look.

In my book, everyone would be please to be considered by others as being good at their job, and the majority of those people would also appreciate being considered attractive by others so long as it’s not expressed in a puerile way or conflated with their aptitudes/ characteristics (or lack of) in other areas.

I’m both hideous and shit at most things, so I sisal from a position of no experience whatsoever.

 

[Lancaster Spur]

Is that really what’s implied when one person acknowledges that another person is attractive?

Not for me, Jeff.

As I said, it maybe not a conscious thought but by giving an appraisal on their looks by saying 'attractive' rather than 'unattractive' it means they are putting a higher value on one aspect of that person's worth.

 

[Yiddo100]

Can’t remember seeing any upset when people say Gazzaniga is good looking?

 

[King of Otters]

Modern society’s quest to androgenise and homogenise all of civilisation is somewhat predicated on the erasure of overt, expressed attraction, because the second someone is deemed to be attractive, there is a subconscious inference made by those who differ in appearance that the physical form of the person in question is being elevated above that person’s own as an example of how people of that category (or who identify as being part of that category) should look.

In my book, everyone would be please to be considered by others as being good at their job, and the majority of those people would also appreciate being considered attractive by others so long as it’s not expressed in a puerile way or conflated with their aptitudes/ characteristics (or lack of) in other areas.

I’m both hideous and shit at most things, so I sisal from a position of no experience whatsoever.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Can’t remember seeing any upset when people say Gazzaniga is good looking?

And it was mainly a bunch of middle aged blokes saying it at that!

 

[BringBack_leGin]

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[King of Otters]

As I said, it maybe not a conscious thought but by giving an appraisal on their looks by saying 'attractive' rather than 'unattractive' it means they are putting a higher value on one aspect of that person's worth.

Yeah, you’ve just explained how human attraction works. Good luck eradicating that in the drive towards an equal society.

 

[easley91]

Can’t remember seeing any upset when people say Gazzaniga is good looking?

And this is my point. It's okay for people to say male footballers are attractive but not the women? Either both are allowed or neither. The thing I don't understand here, is nothing that was said was sexualising Morgan. If there was then yes I get the issue.

 

[Lancaster Spur]

Yeah, you’ve just explained how human attraction works. Good luck eradicating that in the drive towards an equal society.

Yeah, it's a shame but by having these conversations and raising the awareness that some people get annoyed by it at least helps the next generation to being aware of it is the first step!

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

And this is my point. It's okay for people to say male footballers are attractive but not the women? Either both are allowed or neither. The thing I don't understand here, is nothing that was said was sexualising Morgan. If there was then yes I get the issue.

Don't want to get too deep into it here but this argument is somewhat akin to the "All Lives Matter" refrain in that it slightly misses the point.

The reason why it's okay for people to comment about the attractiveness or otherwise of a male player is because, overwhelmingly, that is not what male footballers are judged on. They are judged first and foremost on their ability as footballers.

That has not always been the case for women footballers. And is still not always the case. So the more that football fans can do - or avoid doing - to help change ingrained attitudes, the better. That means we have to be little more careful. And yes, that does mean being somewhat PC. It's a small price to pay.

 

[Ben1]

Take it to general chat people, whatever your take on attraction or owt. No need to fill the only thread ever on this forum to show a nod to the women's team (and one of the best players in the world) with this bollocks.