Another Sporting Director?

[yankspurs]

I think "some of you" are forgetting Comolli and Baldini.

It's not necessarily that they do a bad job. But both failed repeatedly to get what the coach wanted and then in each case the relationship with the coach broke down, especially when a 2nd rate alternative was dumped on them.

The only way this system works is if under no circumstances is a player not wanted by the coach purchased and genuine actual attempts to sign the identified players is made.

The best example of a DoF fucking up has to be replacing Carrick with zokora when Carrick would have stayed for a reasonable payrise.

Well according to ITK, Baldini didnt fail here at all. In fact, he was very successful here. We were a complete shower of shit behind the scenes before he came in.

 

[Nigel Spinal]

Poch isn't interested in transfers, he's a coach.

Better to get a specialist, rather than Levy in the hands of Levy (who needs to get the stadium built now)

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Carrick was never going to stay once Man U were interested. We knew what Comoli's role was, he gave interviews, no one knew what Baldini did, there were only assumptions and he never gave any interviews at all.

It was Commoli who told Levy that the club could dispense with Carrick because he believed Zokora was a better player. Carrick was happy at Spurs in April 2006, when he went to talk to Levy about a new contract, with two years left on his existing one and his World Cup inclusion imminent. He had been Tottenham's best player and was central to Jol's plans.

How negotiations unfolded, then collapsed, provides a fascinating insight into the running of the club. Carrick was on £25,000 a week and started talks by asking for £40,000, expecting to negotiate. He was laughed out of the room and told to re-sign on Spurs' terms, or be sold.

Carrick, who wanted to stay, felt unwanted. He then discovered Sir Alex Ferguson was interested in him. At that season's Premier League annual meeting, David Gill of Manchester United put in a £10million bid and Levy dismissed it. The club denied at the time there had been an approach and have always insisted that Carrick was sold because he wanted to leave. He did, in the end - but only because he was so disenchanted at the way he had been treated. Before he went, Levy made a lame and late increased offer of £50,000 a week. It was a prize piece of botched dealing.

Meanwhile, Levy had negotiated a new contract with Jol, who was unaware of the Carrick situation. The manager was livid when he found out he had committed himself to the club and simultaneously lost his main midfielder to such a formidable rival. When he was lumbered with Commoli's choice of replacement, Zokora, he was even less impressed.

Carrick was happy to stay.
A DoF fucked that up.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2007/aug/26/newsstory.tottenhamhotspur

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Well according to ITK, Baldini didnt fail here at all. In fact, he was very successful here. We were a complete shower of shit behind the scenes before he came in.

I bet AVB agrees.

 

[Trix]

I think "some of you" are forgetting Comolli and Baldini.

It's not necessarily that they do a bad job. But both failed repeatedly to get what the coach wanted and then in each case the relationship with the coach broke down, especially when a 2nd rate alternative was dumped on them.

The only way this system works is if under no circumstances is a player not wanted by the coach purchased and genuine actual attempts to sign the identified players is made.

The best example of a DoF fucking up has to be replacing Carrick with zokora when Carrick would have stayed for a reasonable payrise.

Baldini was never our DOF, and had a very different role. HE WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WASTING ANY OF THE BALE MONEY, AVB WAS

 

[Mullers]

Carrick was happy to stay.
A DoF fucked that up.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2007/aug/26/newsstory.tottenhamhotspur

Levy fucked up too.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Baldini was never our DOF, and had a very different role. HE WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WASTING ANY OF THE BALE MONEY, AVB WAS

I was always of the opinion he was the one doing the negotiating.
IIRC we failed to sign quite a few players.

 

[fletch82]

I don't think it makes a difference, he will have to work to the instructions he's been given.

But probably with out the gamesmanship ?

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Don't know anything about him. Why's he special?

He's a special one, he's not The Special One

 

[Dharmabum]

Carrick was happy to stay.
A DoF fucked that up.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2007/aug/26/newsstory.tottenhamhotspur

This gives another side of the story, i.e. that Carrick indeed wanted to leave Spurs.

http://therepublikofmancunia.com/ca...tottenham-but-i-was-desperate-to-join-united/

 

[Mullers]

Baldini was never our DOF, and had a very different role. HE WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WASTING ANY OF THE BALE MONEY, AVB WAS

If AVB was really responsible for a 100 million then I believe he would have spent differently.

 

[Trix]

I was always of the opinion he was the one doing the negotiating.
IIRC we failed to sign quite a few players.

He was part of the negotiations yes, but if Villa decides he wants to stay in Spain to give him the best chance to stay in the Spain side there is not much anyone could do. Who else did we not get taking into account we don't have a bottomless pit of money to call on.?

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

He was part of the negotiations yes, but if Villa decides he wants to stay in Spain to give him the best chance to stay in the Spain side there is not much anyone could do. Who else did we not get taking into account we don't have a bottomless pit of money to call on.?

Willian. Benteke. Musacchio. Just off the top of my head.
He probably had a go at Leandro too

 

[Trix]

Willian. Benteke. Musacchio. Just off the top of my head.
He probably had a go at Leandro too

Benteke was AVB's fault.
William was offered a lot more at the last minute by Chelsea. As I say whilst he was involved in negotiations it was Levy that still sat in the driving seat as Baldini was not a DOF.

 

[Spurs1960]

Well according to ITK, Baldini didnt fail here at all. In fact, he was very successful here. We were a complete shower of shit behind the scenes before he came in.

Our scouting is testimony to that, Mitchell has come in and had to start from scratch

 

[Spurs1960]

Benteke was AVB's fault.
William was offered a lot more at the last minute by Chelsea. As I say whilst he was involved in negotiations it was Levy that still sat in the driving seat as Baldini was not a DOF.

And Abramovich offered his Russian mate some financial help while the authorities were after him. Many footballers in Russia and South America don't get to determine where they play, they get told by third party owners and that's it, illegal as it may be. The Times reported third party owners dictated Rolo go to Man U before he did.

 

[Spurs1960]

He was part of the negotiations yes, but if Villa decides he wants to stay in Spain to give him the best chance to stay in the Spain side there is not much anyone could do. Who else did we not get taking into account we don't have a bottomless pit of money to call on.?

In addition he had family at Atletico didn't he?

 

[beats1]

I think you're getting half of us confused with Daniel Levy.

He never sacked Baldini even when he was a "failure" and stuck by him up until this window

He has only sacked Commoli from that role

 

[Breezer]

Baldini was never our DOF, and had a very different role. HE WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WASTING ANY OF THE BALE MONEY, AVB WAS

Do you think Spurs would have scouted and signed Lamela if Baldini wasnt at the club?

 

[Trix]

Do you think Spurs would have scouted and signed Lamela if Baldini wasnt at the club?

No, he and Vlad were both very much players Baldini wanted, but considering we got our money back for Vlad and Lamela is a first XI player still, I think my point stands that he never wasted any of the Bale money. Let's not forget he is the reason we have Dier aswell.

I'm not saying he wasn't involved in player purchases just that he is far from responsible for the ones that haven't worked out. Soldado, Capoue and Paulinho were all players that AVB pushed for and they were the ones that cost us the most.