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Bayern Munich trio Boateng, Hummels and Müller told Germany career is over

hughy

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Why?! Hummels and Boateng easily have another 3-4 years left in them.
 

Marty

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Has to be a desperate attempt to break apart the Bayern faction in the dressing room. Still can't see how it's a good idea when the three of them are all 29 or 30 and should have at least one major tournament left.
 

absolute bobbins

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Has to be a desperate attempt to break apart the Bayern faction in the dressing room. Still can't see how it's a good idea when the three of them are all 29 or 30 and should have at least one major tournament left.
It’s probably because they only have one major left in them. If Low gets the next gen in now, they’ll be seasoned international starters in time for 2022.
 

nailsy

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What a shit way to treat players who helped you win a world cup. If they're dropped on form that's one thing, but to just rule them out because of their age is appalling.
 

Marty

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What a shit way to treat players who helped you win a world cup. If they're dropped on form that's one thing, but to just rule them out because of their age is appalling.
As I said, I don't think it's just age. The Bayern clique has dominated that dressing room and I think it's at least partly Löw trying to get shot of that. If that's the case I'm just surprised he hasn't booted Neuer as well and said that Ter Stegen is his first choice now.
 

rossdapep

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Looking at the WC, something was clearly wrong.
Something wasn't right but Low was largely to blame too. Insisted beyond arrogance that they were good enough and that they only needed to turn up to beat Korea. Ditching players like Sane.
 

Hakkz

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Something wasn't right but Low was largely to blame too. Insisted beyond arrogance that they were good enough and that they only needed to turn up to beat Korea. Ditching players like Sane.

Yeah I'm in no way defending him. However they really need to do something to the team they had to get them back on track. I think Löw himself should have gotten off after winning the WC.
 

'O Zio

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What a shit way to treat players who helped you win a world cup. If they're dropped on form that's one thing, but to just rule them out because of their age is appalling.

It depends. For example, I think England's reluctance to part company with the "big names" and same old faces no matter how little they contributed held us back massively. Look at the last Euros where the whole team was basically played out of position to that Hodgeson could accomodate Rooney despite him being fucking useless for years. I think in certain circumstances it's better to clear house with an eye on the future early rather than let people drudge on for years when they're long-since past their best.

It's the year after the WC so he's got a full 4 year cycle to use to build the next WC squad. Even if he still rates those players right now, if he knows full well that they're not going to be anywhere near his squad in 4 years time, maybe it's better to blood the next generation and get them used to playing together/build a "club-style" atmosphere.
 

mpickard2087

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It's not really that shocking in the case of Boateng and Muller, both been miles off their best for ages now and don't show any signs of a resurgence.
 

nailsy

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It depends. For example, I think England's reluctance to part company with the "big names" and same old faces no matter how little they contributed held us back massively. Look at the last Euros where the whole team was basically played out of position to that Hodgeson could accomodate Rooney despite him being fucking useless for years. I think in certain circumstances it's better to clear house with an eye on the future early rather than let people drudge on for years when they're long-since past their best.

It's the year after the WC so he's got a full 4 year cycle to use to build the next WC squad. Even if he still rates those players right now, if he knows full well that they're not going to be anywhere near his squad in 4 years time, maybe it's better to blood the next generation and get them used to playing together/build a "club-style" atmosphere.

You can still build for the future without slamming the door shut on players though. He won't know that they're not going to be anywhere near his squad in four years. He's got no idea what kind of form those players will be in four years down the road. Southgate's been building a squad for the future since he became England manager, but I don't remember him retiring players off like this. He did say that Chris Smalling wouldn't be selected because he wanted ball-playing defenders, but picking players to suit your system is different to just saying you're too old.
 

'O Zio

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You can still build for the future without slamming the door shut on players though. He won't know that they're not going to be anywhere near his squad in four years. He's got no idea what kind of form those players will be in four years down the road. Southgate's been building a squad for the future since he became England manager, but I don't remember him retiring players off like this. He did say that Chris Smalling wouldn't be selected because he wanted ball-playing defenders, but picking players to suit your system is different to just saying you're too old.

Just different styles I guess. Sometimes it's better to have a complete reset/clean break and build from the bottom again, other times it's better to slowly phase people in/out. I never said it wasn't without it's obvious risks, but Loew has obviously decided that's what he wants to do so fair play to him I say. If they can get a young squad used to playing together over the next two years, get them some solid tournament experience at the Euros, then by the WC it might be looking like a genius decision and Rafa Honigstein can write "Das Reboot 2.0" about it ;) But obviously if it all goes tits up he'll look like an idiot. It's a high-risk high-reward strategy but I don't think you anyone can really say it's the wrong strategy just yet. The proof will be in the pudding.

As for the argument that the national team "owes it" to these players to let them retire in their own way when they've had enough, sorry but I don't agree with that at all. Like I say, that attitude of big names and pandering to the old favorites is one of the key reasons England achieved so little over the past 20-odd years IMO.

As a side-note, they've clearly got some issues with regard to morale within the squad so maybe that was a factor that persuaded him to go with this aggressive approach.
 

nailsy

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Just different styles I guess. Sometimes it's better to have a complete reset/clean break and build from the bottom again, other times it's better to slowly phase people in/out. I never said it wasn't without it's obvious risks, but Loew has obviously decided that's what he wants to do so fair play to him I say. If they can get a young squad used to playing together over the next two years, get them some solid tournament experience at the Euros, then by the WC it might be looking like a genius decision and Rafa Honigstein can write "Das Reboot 2.0" about it ;) But obviously if it all goes tits up he'll look like an idiot. It's a high-risk high-reward strategy but I don't think you anyone can really say it's the wrong strategy just yet. The proof will be in the pudding.

As for the argument that the national team "owes it" to these players to let them retire in their own way when they've had enough, sorry but I don't agree with that at all. Like I say, that attitude of big names and pandering to the old favorites is one of the key reasons England achieved so little over the past 20-odd years IMO.

As a side-note, they've clearly got some issues with regard to morale within the squad so maybe that was a factor that persuaded him to go with this aggressive approach.

You don't have to pander to them. Build the team however you want. The way Lows handled it is incredibly poor in my opinion.
 

nailsy

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This is what Muller has to say...

Hi people, I slept on it a night and let the events sink in. I was of course also bewildered yesterday by the sudden decision of the national coach. Yeah. The national coach has to make sporting decisions. Absolutely. I don’t call that into question at all. However, the longer I think about it, yeah, the way that it all went down simply makes me mad. I have no understanding whatsoever for the suggested finality of the decision. Mats, Jerome, and I are still capable of playing soccer on the highest level. We have gone a long, intensive, and mostly successful way with the DFB in the past years; and when then, shortly after we learned about the decision of the national coach, pre-prepared statements are published for the press on the pages of the DFB and the president of the DFB, then that is simply in my view not good style and has absolutely nothing to do with appreciation (Wertschätzung).

And now to you, dear fans: I was always proud to wear the jersey of the DFB. I always gave my all. I want to thank you for your massive support. It was an incredible journey — with my 100 international caps and many fantastic shared experiences. People who know me know that I’m a fighter. I’ll look forward. We’re in a really hot phase of the season with FC Bayern where we’re playing for all three titles. Yeah. And to that end, I’d like to say to you, the game is not over yet!
 

Spurger King

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So Fungus the Bogeyman thinks there’s snot much of a future for them? Did they get up his nose or is he just being picky?
 
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