Callum Wilson signs for Newcastle

[mr ashley]

@mr ashley pot call the kettle black ..... lol

Not at all mate, I gave you the spam rating for carrying on your discussion about Joe Lewis tanking the pound in the ERM discussion despite @HedgieSpur trying to move on several times.
Later find that you’ve hunted my posts down (and @pedrodelawasp) to leave negatives.
If that’s how you’re going to play then fine, seems childish. Not sure that’s what the ratings are for.

Sorry to others for derailing the thread...

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

Not at all mate, I gave you the spam rating for carrying on your discussion about Joe Lewis tanking the pound in the ERM discussion despite @HedgieSpur trying to move on several times.
Later find that you’ve hunted my posts down (and @pedrodelawasp) to leave negatives.
If that’s how you’re going to play then fine, seems childish. Not sure that’s what the ratings are for.

Sorry to others for derailing the thread...

Again pot call the kettle black, complaining about something that you exactly did yourself... anyway let the Wilson debate continue

 

[mr ashley]

If the price being banded around is correct it's less than we paid for Vincent Janssen. He's also replacing Llorente who left over a year ago so he's definitely better than what we had last year. I can't think of anyone who would be better for the price being mentioned.

ACL injuries aren’t as career threatening as they used to be, and if you remember the Ross Barkley saga, we backed off due to concerns about his hamstring. Haven’t seen him have a recurrence as yet.
Injuries can happen to anyone, at any time, but having an extra player in the squad to prevent key players playing the the ‘red zone’- moments of fatigue where muscular injuries are at highest risk of occurring is a tremendous bonus. That was something that we simply didn’t have last year, and coupled with some unfortunate impact injuries (that can never be predicted), I think it’s wise to mitigate by having another PL quality striker.
Wilson is certainly someone who would be high up the list for me.
If you’re worried about recurring injuries, should we worry about Lloris, Son, Toby? Or should we trust our medical team that, if he passes a medical, then he’s as fine as we can expect a player to be?
Edit - @nailsy sorry meant to reply to the post that you replied to, not your post

 

[Johnny J]

ACL injuries aren’t as career threatening as they used to be, and if you remember the Ross Barkley saga, we backed off due to concerns about his hamstring. Haven’t seen him have a recurrence as yet.
Injuries can happen to anyone, at any time, but having an extra player in the squad to prevent key players playing the the ‘red zone’- moments of fatigue where muscular injuries are at highest risk of occurring is a tremendous bonus. That was something that we simply didn’t have last year, and coupled with some unfortunate impact injuries (that can never be predicted), I think it’s wise to mitigate by having another PL quality striker.
Wilson is certainly someone who would be high up the list for me.
If you’re worried about recurring injuries, should we worry about Lloris, Son, Toby? Or should we trust our medical team that, if he passes a medical, then he’s as fine as we can expect a player to be?
Edit - @nailsy sorry meant to reply to the post that you replied to, not your post

I said it's a risk worth taking. But yes, if a player has two ACLs, in each knee, that's obviously a concern to factor in.

 

[double0]

Edouard of Celtic would be a statement from use.

If I had to pick between T Deeney or C Wilson it'll be Deeney all day long. Imo he offers much more than Wilson, a much bigger character I see Deeney stepping up more.

 

[mr ashley]

I said it's a risk worth taking. But yes, if a player has two ACLs, in each knee, that's obviously a concern to factor in.

If it’s two in the same knee, I guess that’s a much bigger issue than having one in each, based on the recovery work done to help strengthen the joint.
Haven’t checked, but pretty sure he recovered well enough to get into the England Squad
I just think we’re too quick to dismiss targets because they’ve had an injury once before.

 

[nailsy]

Edouard of Celtic would be a statement from use.

If I had to pick between T Deeney or C Wilson it'll be Deeney all day long. Imo he offers much more than Wilson, a much bigger character I see Deeney stepping up more.

Deeney's thirty two already. We'd probably be looking for a replacement in a year.

 

[Johnny J]

If it’s two in the same knee, I guess that’s a much bigger issue than having one in each, based on the recovery work done to help strengthen the joint.
Haven’t checked, but pretty sure he recovered well enough to get into the England Squad
I just think we’re too quick to dismiss targets because they’ve had an injury once before.

I'm not dismissing him as a target. I said it's a risk worth taking.

 

[arunspurs]

You're kidding right? He signed all of these in 2009/10 for Inter and then won the treble:

Lucio
Eto'o
Schneider
Motta
Milito
Pandev

Yes...but thats not the full facts.
In 2008/09, Inter squad was not a CL winning squad. Mourinho & Inter club hierarchy took bold decisions on transfer. Zlatan was a hot property and Barca were hot in pursuit. Pragmatic decision they took was to sell Zlatan. By luck or fate, they made a incredible deal.

Zlatan sold to Barca for 50m cash + Eto'o. Of the 50m cash, they spent 15m on Sneijder, 6m on Lucio, 3m on Motta (+Bonnuci to Genoa), Milito (12m+2players to Genoa)...and Pandev on a free transfer.
Overall in that summer, they had a net gain of 6m£ after the transfer dealings...

It was an intelligent pragmatic transfer dealings off the pitch and incredible man management on the pitch. He explained himself how he wanted to play his team 20m up the pitch and needed a fast defender. He wanted Carvalho but was expensive, so he got Lucio for 6m who was not in Van Gaal plans in Bayern.

This is why I would say Jose's inter success was not based on money - but based on pragmatic decisions made for his plans.

I really hope somehow we can weave similar magic in transfer market and get players who can implement Jose's style and philosophy.

 

[spids]

Yes...but thats not the full facts.
In 2008/09, Inter squad was not a CL winning squad. Mourinho & Inter club hierarchy took bold decisions on transfer. Zlatan was a hot property and Barca were hot in pursuit. Pragmatic decision they took was to sell Zlatan. By luck or fate, they made a incredible deal.

Zlatan sold to Barca for 50m cash + Eto'o. Of the 50m cash, they spent 15m on Sneijder, 6m on Lucio, 3m on Pandev (+Bonnuci to Genoa), Milito (12m+2players to Genoa)...and Pandev on a free transfer.
Overall in that summer, they had a net gain of 6m£ after the transfer dealings...

It was an intelligent pragmatic transfer dealings off the pitch and incredible man management on the pitch. He explained himself how he wanted to play his team 20m up the pitch and needed a fast defender. He wanted Carvalho but was expensive, so he got Lucio for 6m who was not in Van Gaal plans in Bayern.

This is why I would say Jose's inter success was not based on money - but based on pragmatic decisions made for his plans.

I really hope somehow we can weave similar magic in transfer market and get players who can implement Jose's style and philosophy.

I get all that, but signing the captain of Brazil from Bayern Munich, the captain of Cameroon from Barcelona, and the playmaker from the Dutch World Cup finalists from Real Madrid is what I would call pretty spectacular, and the players involved were from the very top drawer. I am not questioning the genius in the way he built a brilliant team, and the pragmatic way he went about it. I was just questioning use of the word ‘unspectacular’ in relation to those signings (and the other 7 players they signed that year like Motta, Pandev and Milito). It was a spectacular transformation into a CL winning side.

For the record, us signing the likes of Højbjerg (from Southampton) and Wilson (from a relegated Bournemouth) would be very unspectacular in comparison.

 

[emiley heskey]

I get all that, but signing the captain of Brazil from Bayern Munich, the captain of Cameroon from Barcelona, and the playmaker from the Dutch World Cup finalists from Real Madrid is what I would call pretty spectacular, and the players involved were from the very top drawer. I am not questioning the genius in the way he built a brilliant team, and the pragmatic way he went about it. I was just questioning use of the word ‘unspectacular’ in relation to those signings (and the other 7 players they signed that year like Motta, Pandev and Milito). It was a spectacular transformation into a CL winning side.

For the record, us signing the likes of Højbjerg (from Southampton) and Wilson (from a relegated Bournemouth) would be very unspectacular in comparison.

Pandev , motta were not hot property type player tbh compared to Sneijder, Eto, Milito !!

 

[arunspurs]

I get all that, but signing the captain of Brazil from Bayern Munich, the captain of Cameroon from Barcelona, and the playmaker from the Dutch World Cup finalists from Real Madrid is what I would call pretty spectacular, and the players involved were from the very top drawer. I am not questioning the genius in the way he built a brilliant team, and the pragmatic way he went about it. I was just questioning use of the word ‘unspectacular’ in relation to those signings (and the other 7 players they signed that year like Motta, Pandev and Milito). It was a spectacular transformation into a CL winning side.

For the record, us signing the likes of Højbjerg (from Southampton) and Wilson (from a relegated Bournemouth) would be very unspectacular, and in no way comparable (which is why we won’t be winning a treble next season).

The signings look spectacular now because the goal for Inter was winning European cup after decades and they did it...So, the signings when done & after that season looks spectacular. No body said Snejider would be signing to push Inter to win CL. Lucio who was cast away from Bayern was not then seen as a signing for push for CL win. If anything, people were asking questions of them for selling Zlatan to CL rival Barca , when they said they they want to win CL.

In hindsight, all these transfers looks spectacular. But then, it was not.

In same way, if we sign Hojbjerg & Wilson - It is not spectacular - but our aim is not for winning PL title - our aim for next season is to get into CL and win a trophy. For that, we have plugged a huge hole in CM with Hojbjerg and get a back up to Kane, who could come in help win that 8 to 10 points we would otherwise lose without a no9....

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

The signings look spectacular now because the goal for Inter was winning European cup after decades and they did it...So, the signings when done & after that season looks spectacular. No body said Snejider would be signing to push Inter to win CL. Lucio who was cast away from Bayern was not then seen as a signing for push for CL win. If anything, people were asking questions of them for selling Zlatan to CL rival Barca , when they said they they want to win CL.

In hindsight, all these transfers looks spectacular. But then, it was not.

In same way, if we sign Hojbjerg & Wilson - It is not spectacular - but our aim is not for winning PL title - our aim for next season is to get into CL and win a trophy. For that, we have plugged a huge hole in CM with Hojbjerg and get a back up to Kane, who could come in help win that 8 to 10 points we would otherwise lose without a no9....

But you still have to have an eye on your plan for the future. How are we going to bring in the big hitters if we get champs league next season when you cannot move on the intermediates that we are buying now along with those in the current squad when they do not want to move to create space for them?

 

[spids]

Pandev , motta were not hot property type player tbh compared to Sneijder, Eto, Milito !!

I know that - that is why I underlined the fact they signed three of the best players in the world in their positions in Eto’o, Lucio and Sneijder, from three massive clubs in Barca, Real and Bayern. That quite frankly is NOT unspectacular. Any team signing 10 players in one year with 3 of them grade A super stars is not unspectacular. Anyone comparing Inter Milan’s 2009/10 transfer window with our 2020/21 window needs their mental health checked. Unless we supplement the likes of Højbjerg and Wilson with Ramos, Coutinho and Suarez.

 

[arunspurs]

I know that - that is why I underlined the fact they signed three of the best players in the world in their positions in Eto’o, Lucio and Sneijder, from three massive clubs in Barca, Real and Bayern. That quite frankly is NOT unspectacular. Any team signing 10 players in one year with 3 of them grade A super stars is not unspectacular. Anyone comparing Inter Milan’s 2009/10 transfer window with our 2020/21 window needs their mental health checked. Unless we supplement the likes of Højbjerg and Wilson with Ramos, Coutinho and Suarez.

I think you are missing the point. Why do you compare the players of who Inter bought and who we will buy. Inter bought for winning CL. We are buying for getting into CL and winning a trophy. Big difference. Key is if the whole transfer window should be done in pragmatic way like Inter ,meaning understanding the reality of club + looking at the goal and see what transfers help in achieving the goal in realistic manner

Lets wait & watch on what we do before giving mental aptitude certificates to people...

 

[spids]

I think you are missing the point. Why do you compare the players of who Inter bought and who we will buy. Inter bought for winning CL. We are buying for getting into CL and winning a trophy. Big difference.

Lets wait & watch on what we do before giving mental aptitude certificates to people...

FFS - this is the last thing I am posting in reply to you... I am not missing the point at all. I simply questioned the word ‘unspectacular’ being used to describe Inter Milan’s signings that summer. Feel free to disagree, but do not tell me I have missed the point. I haven’t. I am old enough to both remember that season very well, and also to be very comfortable with someone having a different opinion to me....

To clarify, in my opinion, Inter Milan signing 10 players, 3 of which were top tier international super stars at the time, cannot be described as unspectacular. That is it. I think it was astute, clever, carefully planned. Whatever you want to call it ... other than unspectacular.

 

[emiley heskey]

I know that - that is why I underlined the fact they signed three of the best players in the world in their positions in Eto’o, Lucio and Sneijder, from three massive clubs in Barca, Real and Bayern. That quite frankly is NOT unspectacular. Any team signing 10 players in one year with 3 of them grade A super stars is not unspectacular. Anyone comparing Inter Milan’s 2009/10 transfer window with our 2020/21 window needs their mental health checked. Unless we supplement the likes of Højbjerg and Wilson with Ramos, Coutinho and Suarez.

Sneijder, lucio, eto were not exactly superstar that time ... They were all fallen away from their respective clubs and that's why inter got them.... Otherwise, no chance inter got them ... Sneijder was similar to vdv signing of us .. Only superstar player you can add is eto ... Otherwise, sneijder or lucio were not exactly superstar status player ...

 

[spids]

Sneijder, lucio, eto were not exactly superstar that time ... They were all fallen away from their respective clubs and that's why inter got them.... Otherwise, no chance inter got them ... Sneijder was similar to vdv signing of us .. Only superstar player you can add is eto ... Otherwise, sneijder or lucio were not exactly superstar status player ...

You are missing the point ?

 

[sausage]

Deeney's thirty two already. We'd probably be looking for a replacement in a year.

Vardy's 33 (34 in January). I'm sure Nando signed for us at 33.

It completely depends on your skill set and injury history. You can be like Owen and depend fully on your athleticism and, yes, you'll start to hugely regress around 30. Deeney seems to rely more on his physicality, which is a slower downward curve.

Not that he's PL level, but Akinfenwa is still going at 38. Defoe's about to hit 38, too. Some players can do a job for a lot longer.


I think either are the type of player we need. Just need to use them properly as Nando was wasted here under Poch, for the most part.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

If the price being banded around is correct it's less than we paid for Vincent Janssen. He's also replacing Llorente who left over a year ago so he's definitely better than what we had last year. I can't think of anyone who would be better for the price being mentioned.

What's the price being mentioned?