Callum Wilson signs for Newcastle

[Scouseyid]

We only judge Mourinho as a manager based on his past performances. But his past isn't success in all areas. I recently posted how poor his track record is with more pragmatic signings.

In terms of comparable signings for strikers, as back ups and for low fee's, he's signed Pizarro, Kezman and Obinna. In other positions there is the likes of Sahar, Sidwell, Boulahrouz, Jarosik, Smertin and Ben Haim etc. Jose's opinion on budget signings is definitely nothing to shut dissenting voices up with.

Tbf, those players you mentioned were crap anyway. That shows a distinct lack of good scouting & analysis by the staff at respective clubs to identify & assess these players as potentially good players at their respective clubs.

That's not something I think Spurs struggle with. We've clearly highlighted good players in the past few years that suit our club & system, within a certain budget. Levy would almost certainly have stipulated this as a parameter of JMs job!

JM was largely unspectacular in his signings at Inter. That's after his earlier jobs in Portugal! Let's see how he does before we start getting all judgy. Fernandes, Bergwijn, Hojbjerg are decent signings so far, if a bit unspectacular but are certainly what we need and that's the crux of it all...players we need in certain roles to form a team! A cohesive team that is the sum of its parts. Callum Wilson would be another one to add to that list. A lad that adds a dimension to the team, not as an individual. We have the spectacular already, we have the world's best centre forward & the Korean David Beckham. We have bloody good, young internationals (Lo Celso, Ndombele, Sanchez, Winks etc). Now it's time to give them the tools to step up to the level we failed to achieve under Poche & JM can therefore only be judged on that when his contract ends, whichever way that is!

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

I run a currency trading hedge fund, Im very sure he was instrumental. Ill leave it there though.

Its historical fact and you would know even more than most?

 

[spids]

JM was largely unspectacular in his signings at Inter.

You're kidding right? He signed all of these in 2009/10 for Inter and then won the treble:

Lucio
Eto'o
Schneider
Motta
Milito
Pandev

 

[dontcallme]

Omg you actually believe he will push Kane lol .... i needed a laugh on the weekend and i got it!!! ????

Think you need to work on your comprehension skills.

 

[spids]

Omg you actually believe he will push Kane lol .... i needed a laugh on the weekend and i got it!!! ????

Maybe read the person's post again and see what they said it would push Kane to do (note: not push Kane). It was actually a very valid point.

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

Maybe read the person's post again and see what they said it would push Kane to do (note: not push Kane). It was actually a very valid point.

I dont agree, as his presence would do nothing to kane, he is beneath him, and the point is mute as its comparing kane post circa 3 months out from injury, not fully fit / match fit

 

[spids]

I dont agree, as his presence would do nothing to kane, he is beneath him, and the point is mute as its comparing kane post circa 3 months out from injury, not fully fit / match fit

You don't have to agree, but your initial response suggests you did not understand the poster you were insulting/ridiculing.

Personally, I feel that in the last couple of years Kane has stopped putting in as much effort as he expects to play every minute of a 60+ game season (inc. England games), and has been concentrating on durability and conserving energy. Knowing in advance he will be getting pulled after an hour of certain games, or knowing he is sitting out the next game (e.g. Europa League), will help him prioritise his energy expenditure when on the pitch. I think this is what the poster meant when he said Wilson would "push Kane to really focus on exhausting energy game when starting rather than focusing on durability".

Knowing Mourinho, if we go 2-0 up with 30 mins to go he will shut up shop and rest key players. Kane will benefit from Wilson's presence by allowing him to be one those hooked to save his energies for the big games. Mourinho is all about saving it up for the big moments that define seasons.

Of course, I may be wrong, it is all about opinions after all.

 

[C0YS]

We only judge Mourinho as a manager based on his past performances. But his past isn't success in all areas. I recently posted how poor his track record is with more pragmatic signings.

In terms of comparable signings for strikers, as back ups and for low fee's, he's signed Pizarro, Kezman and Obinna. In other positions there is the likes of Sahar, Sidwell, Boulahrouz, Jarosik, Smertin and Ben Haim etc. Jose's opinion on budget signings is definitely nothing to shut dissenting voices up with.

Lets look at these signings

Pizarro - was signed on a free, played for Mourinho for a few months. Hard to say he was a hit but
Kezman - at the time he was very sought after and a fee of 5 million seems low now but was more at the time complete flop
Obinna - wasn't a first team signing. He was 21 and they tried to send him on loan
Sahar - youth team signing
Sidwell - bought on a free, spent only a few months under Jose
Boulahrouz - flop
Jarosik - flop
Smertin - Signed under Ranieri, not Jose
Ben Haim- free transfer, only with Jose for a few months

A lot of these signings may not have been made by Jose, many were free and many spent little time with Jose.

Other 'pragmatic signings' Jose made:

Lassana Diarra - didn't play much but almost certainly sold at a profit.
Lucio - great signing
Pandev - also great
Carvalho (for Real madrid)
Adebayor - useful
Callejon - useful
Diego Lopez - came in as goalkeeping competition, became n1. even after Jose left.
Ibrahimovic - yeh


I mean, it's a mixed bag for sure. But it always is. We are not looking this to be a long term signing, just a signing that can offer us something during the course of a season.

 

[nailsy]

We only judge Mourinho as a manager based on his past performances. But his past isn't success in all areas. I recently posted how poor his track record is with more pragmatic signings.

In terms of comparable signings for strikers, as back ups and for low fee's, he's signed Pizarro, Kezman and Obinna. In other positions there is the likes of Sahar, Sidwell, Boulahrouz, Jarosik, Smertin and Ben Haim etc. Jose's opinion on budget signings is definitely nothing to shut dissenting voices up with.

Anyone who's been a manager for twenty years will make a few bad signings. I still trust his judgement. His team's usually end up with success. And just because Wilson is cheap at the moment I wouldn't class him as a budget signing. He's premier League proven, was in the last England squad and was tipped for a big money move last summer so he's quite different from most of the other players that you mentioned.

 

[joey55]

Anyone who's been a manager for twenty years will make a few bad signings. I still trust his judgement. His team's usually end up with success. And just because Wilson is cheap at the moment I wouldn't class him as a budget signing. He's premier League proven, was in the last England squad and was tipped for a big money move last summer so he's quite different from most of the other players that you mentioned.

I think it's fair to say in terms of pragmatic signings they've been more disappointing than good. I'm not doubting Jose's ability to bring success and I'm a fan of his and was in the minority that was actually pleased with his appointment. But there is no way I'm not going to be critical of signings he makes, just because overall I rate him and think he's doing a good job. The idea that on a forum, we should just bow to the opinion of the manager, on signings, or anything else, is totally asinine to me. Surely the whole point of a forum is to not simple appeal to authority.

If Jose, or any manager, had a perfect track record with signings, then I think there is an argument to simply trust their judgment whole heartedly. But that is never the case and if you look at Jose's track record, a player like Wilson, is the perfect example of when fans should be a little concerned, especially when we all saw him play against us a few weeks ago, when the most notable part of his game was that he kept losing the ball.

 

[spids]

Anyone who's been a manager for twenty years will make a few bad signings. I still trust his judgement. His team's usually end up with success. And just because Wilson is cheap at the moment I wouldn't class him as a budget signing. He's premier League proven, was in the last England squad and was tipped for a big money move last summer so he's quite different from most of the other players that you mentioned.

Exactly. Ferguson, probably the greatest manager of all time, made some shocking signings, and generally as a rule of thumb only 50% of transfers are truly successful.

 

[Scouseyid]

You're kidding right? He signed all of these in 2009/10 for Inter and then won the treble:

Lucio
Eto'o
Schneider
Motta
Milito
Pandev

Well yes, with the exception of Sneijder & a post-Barca (peak years) Eto'o, they're horrendously unspectacular! They're exactly the kind of functional, team-building players I highlighted in my post. Signed for relatively modest sums from mid-tier clubs. The type to constitute a team, but without any particular fanfare.

 

[JCRD]

Signing a back up to Kane isnt about pushing Kane becvause Kane will never ever be dropped... its about giving Kane the required rest with say 20 mins left and where the game is already won... etc or even Europa League.

Im not a Wilson fan but we dont need a superstar to be a Kane back up

 

[nailsy]

I think it's fair to say in terms of pragmatic signings they've been more disappointing than good. I'm not doubting Jose's ability to bring success and I'm a fan of his and was in the minority that was actually pleased with his appointment. But there is no way I'm not going to be critical of signings he makes, just because overall I rate him and think he's doing a good job. The idea that on a forum, we should just bow to the opinion of the manager, on signings, or anything else, is totally asinine to me. Surely the whole point of a forum is to not simple appeal to authority.

If Jose, or any manager, had a perfect track record with signings, then I think there is an argument to simply trust their judgment whole heartedly. But that is never the case and if you look at Jose's track record, a player like Wilson, is the perfect example of when fans should be a little concerned, especially when we all saw him play against us a few weeks ago, when the most notable part of his game was that he kept losing the ball.

I'm not suggesting that we just accept his opinion as gospel. If you or anyone else on this forum wants to put an argument against him that's great, but I'm not going to accept the word of a random and probably biased Bournemouth fan from another forum which is what you were suggesting we do.

The other thing you mentioned was his performance against us a few weeks ago. He actually scored an overhead kick against us in that match but had it ruled out by VAR after it hit Kings hand on the way in. Have a look from 1.06 on the video below.

 

[dontcallme]

I guess you ran out of lube and have no vaseline...

Again your comment makes no sense in context but interesting to see the first place your mind goes to.

 

[joey55]

I'm not suggesting that we just accept his opinion as gospel. If you or anyone else on this forum wants to put an argument against him that's great, but I'm not going to accept the word of a random and probably biased Bournemouth fan from another forum which is what you were suggesting we do.

The other thing you mentioned was his performance against us a few weeks ago. He actually scored an overhead kick against us in that match but had it ruled out by VAR after it hit Kings hand on the way in. Have a look from 1.06 on the video below.

No, I wasn't suggesting you simply accept the word of Bournemouth fans. I was saying their opinions seem in line with his stats from last season and from what we saw with our own eyes, just a few weeks ago. A disallowed goal does nothing to change his poor performance, where he struggled to pass the ball or control it.

I'm not going to be in favour of signing a player I don't rate, just because the manager wants him. Poch wanted Jansen and Llorente. I suspect there were some fans who were opposed to those deals.

 

[spids]

Well yes, with the exception of Sneijder & a post-Barca (peak years) Eto'o, they're horrendously unspectacular! They're exactly the kind of functional, team-building players I highlighted in my post. Signed for relatively modest sums from mid-tier clubs. The type to constitute a team, but without any particular fanfare.

I get your point now, but I clearly have a totally different idea of what "unspectacular" means. If we signed the modern day equivalent of just Sneijder, Eto'o, and Lucio, three of the best players in the world at the time, I would call that amazingly spectacular!

 

[Johnny J]

With his ACL injuries in both knees it's far from a no-brainer - we seem to destroy fit players so I fear for Wilson - but it seems on balance a risk well worth taking, given his talent and our budget and need for a second striker.

 

[nailsy]

With his ACL injuries in both knees it's far from a no-brainer - we seem to destroy fit players so I fear for Wilson - but it seems on balance a risk well worth taking, given his talent and our budget and need for a second striker.

If the price being banded around is correct it's less than we paid for Vincent Janssen. He's also replacing Llorente who left over a year ago so he's definitely better than what we had last year. I can't think of anyone who would be better for the price being mentioned.

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

Its historical fact and you would know even more than most?

@mr ashley pot call the kettle black ..... lol