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Franchise60

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So?
I don't get where you're going and what's that got to do with anything that's been said??

I could also name flops we were lucky not to sign, and that wouldn't mean a thing

Naming players who were one season wonders to argue a player who just came off a great season is what is pointless.

Wtf does RSC have to do with benteke
 

EnfieldYiddo

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It's embarrassing that Villa fan going through that list of ours players who would all waltz into their side and mugging them off.
 

Ossie85

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Naming players who were one season wonders to argue a player who just came off a great season is what is pointless.

Wtf does RSC have to do with benteke

You should read the discussion from the beginning. Someone (i can't recall who it was) said that Benteke would not be a one season wonder because he showed "good abilities". RSC is a good example of a player that show "good abilities" and ended being a one season wonder.
We don't know if he'll be a one season wonder or not.
 

Ossie85

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Who would you rather us sign instead?

From the ones linked I prefer Damiao, Negredo and Soldado over Benteke

You can give me all the stats that you want showing what a great season benteke had, but I will still think those 3 are better players
 

Franchise60

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You should read the discussion from the beginning. Someone (i can't recall who it was) said that Benteke would not be a one season wonder because he showed "good abilities". RSC is a good example of a player that show "good abilities" and ended being a one season wonder.
We don't know if he'll be a one season wonder or not.

RSC was older and a flop at Bayern before his one great season. It's not a great comparison.

And again, it's beyond boring to just name every one season wonder as evidence to why benteke will be one. It doesn't work they way.

Every transfer we make is a calculated risk.
 

jushin3

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I'm willing to risk it, all those three are safe strikers. I will go for the potential of Benteke.
 

spurs9

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From the ones linked I prefer Damiao, Negredo and Soldado over Benteke

You can give me all the stats that you want showing what a great season benteke had, but I will still think those 3 are better players


I can understand Negredo & Soldado with them having been consistent goal scorers over the years, but why do you not have the same concerns about Damiao being a one season wonder?
 

Berbatonghen

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From the ones linked I prefer Damiao, Negredo and Soldado over Benteke

You can give me all the stats that you want showing what a great season benteke had, but I will still think those 3 are better players


Only Soldado over Benteke will do for me !!!

The other players nope.

I think if we sign the young Belgium international i would be very very happy.
 

danielneeds

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You should read the discussion from the beginning. Someone (i can't recall who it was) said that Benteke would not be a one season wonder because he showed "good abilities". RSC is a good example of a player that show "good abilities" and ended being a one season wonder.
We don't know if he'll be a one season wonder or not.
Why use RSC as an example? He's clearly a player who's had a lot of injuries in his career. It's not possible to know how it would have been without them,
 

Lilbaz

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Forget about rsc.

As for benteke he could be a world beater or killed by an albino gorilla.

Lets just hope he becomes a world beater.
 

Ossie85

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I not going to quote each and every one of the post to say the same thing, so I'll reply to all in this one.

Where is it that I'm saying he'll be a one season wonder????

I replied this to this sentence "No reason to believe he'll be a one season wonder, he showed enough ability outside of simply scoring goals to suggest he is a good player", and I used RSC to show that "enough ability" isnn't enough to prove he wouldn't be a one season wonder. That's it. I don't know if he'll be a one season wonder or not. It could go any way
 

Ossie85

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I can understand Negredo & Soldado with them having been consistent goal scorers over the years, but why do you not have the same concerns about Damiao being a one season wonder?

I just rate one and don't rate the other. As simple as that. Its my opinion based on what I've seen of each player. And I've seen Damiao A LOT.
 

spurs9

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I just rate one and don't rate the other. As simple as that. Its my opinion based on what I've seen of each player. And I've seen Damiao A LOT.

Fair enough. Is there anything about Benteke that makes you think he will be a one season wonder?
 

HappySpur

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Roque Santa Cruz also showed good ability, yet he was a one season wonder.

I don't rate him, but if JJ is right and we are signing him, I hope I'm wrong and he ends up to be a great buy


Here's how this doesn't work

Santa Cruz was a one season wonder anywhere. As a kid, he scored 10 goals for Olimpia in half a season. On that, he moved to Bayern. There he scored 31 league goals and 54 total goals in his time there. That was 10 years. So 5.4 goals per year until he went to Blackburn and had that one good year at age 26 and never again. Beneteke at least had a good season for Genk and then Villa, back to back.....and has done that at 22.

I don't know if he will be good or not.

But I won't stand by and watch him compared to a guy that I have lambasted for years and years. :p
 

Ossie85

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Fair enough. Is there anything about Benteke that makes you think he will be a one season wonder?

There are a couple of things that worked in his favor this last season that make me doubt about him
He was complete unknown to every defender in the league, so he had plenty of liberty. He also hardly had to play against a team that parked the bus. Villa was so poor that no one played counterattack against them. AV also played for him. He was the go-to guy.
At Spurs he won't have liberty, he won't have freedom, and I think defenders will take more precautions now. He won't be the go-to guy neither.
He could easily adapt and perform, but those are my main worries.
If there were no chance of him being a one season wonder, he wouldn't be a bet, and if he wouldn't be a bet, bigger clubs would've already signed him
 

danielneeds

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There are a couple of things that worked in his favor this last season that make me doubt about him
He was complete unknown to every defender in the league, so he had plenty of liberty. He also hardly had to play against a team that parked the bus. Villa was so poor that no one played counterattack against them. AV also played for him. He was the go-to guy.
At Spurs he won't have liberty, he won't have freedom, and I think defenders will take more precautions now. He won't be the go-to guy neither.
He could easily adapt and perform, but those are my main worries.
If there were no chance of him being a one season wonder, he wouldn't be a bet, and if he wouldn't be a bet, bigger clubs would've already signed him
You make a good point about the differences in pattern of play, but that will be true for many players we could buy. We can't afford someone who is proven against top class packed defences, because they are going for £40m-50m now.
 

spurs9

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There are a couple of things that worked in his favor this last season that make me doubt about him
He was complete unknown to every defender in the league, so he had plenty of liberty. He also hardly had to play against a team that parked the bus. Villa was so poor that no one played counterattack against them. AV also played for him. He was the go-to guy.
At Spurs he won't have liberty, he won't have freedom, and I think defenders will take more precautions now. He won't be the go-to guy neither.
He could easily adapt and perform, but those are my main worries.
If there were no chance of him being a one season wonder, he wouldn't be a bet, and if he wouldn't be a bet, bigger clubs would've already signed him

I agree that him not having played against a parked bus is a concern, but the same can be said for Damiao. All of his goals that I have seen have been on the counter. Saying that we cant judge him until he has faced it. His strength might help him get between the tight defense, though the most important attribute will be is movement.

On Benteke being figured out, that may happen, but you would have thought that would have happened in the second half of the season. In the first half of the season Benteke scored 8 goals in 17 games (15 starts & 2 subs) which is enough for the league to stand up and take note. Despite this he then went on to score 15 goals in the last 16 games he played. That is pretty impressive.
 

Lilbaz

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I agree that him not having played against a parked bus is a concern, but the same can be said for Damiao. All of his goals that I have seen have been on the counter. Saying that we cant judge him until he has faced it. His strength might help him get between the tight defense, though the most important attribute will be is movement.

On Benteke being figured out, that may happen, but you would have thought that would have happened in the second half of the season. In the first half of the season Benteke scored 8 goals in 17 games (15 starts & 2 subs) which is enough for the league to stand up and take note. Despite this he then went on to score 15 goals in the last 16 games he played. That is pretty impressive.

Maybe he figured out the defenders? Which would be scary.
 

spurs9

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Maybe he figured out the defenders? Which would be scary.

There is equal chance that he will get better as there is that he is a one season wonder IMO.

If you look at the comments from Villa forum's that have been posted in here, they all appear to rate him very highly despite the fact he wants to leave. None of the seem to have concerns that he is a one season wonder and they are the ones that watch him week in week out.
 
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