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Club Statement 19 Nov 19 - Pochettino leaves

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fishhhandaricecake

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It appears that Poch has learnt his lesson after being totally let down by Levy dealings in the transfer market. To play the way that Poch wants you need to be continually refreshing the side with quality young players ( like Liverpool have done) and selling the older players at the right time otherwise you end up with a knackered side that we have now. Levy inabilities to sign and sell players like Grealish Maddison and the rest has ruined all the good work Poch has done and I suspect he sees Woodward as being similar and as incompetent in transfer dealings as Levy. We need a director of football who is given a budget and allowed to get on with it and Levy should not be allowed any where near football matters just dealing with the business side in which he excels. I’m also afraid that anyone who thinks the current manager will improve the team is living in cloud cuckoo land as he has always needed fortunes to build a team and one thing is certain he won’t get that here. If Poch goes to Utd and gets support from the board you will see what an almighty clanger this club has made in letting him go.
Don’t agree it was a clanger letting him go it was very much the right time, the players didn’t want to run or play for him any longer and he didn’t really want to be here any longer, sometimes good things come to an end.

if he takes the utd job sure I bet he’ll do very well but the club didn’t make a clanger letting him go not at all.
 

SpartanSpur

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I'm sure that article is bollocks but whoever goes in at Utd should 100% ask for Ed Woodward to be moved off of transfers. Its madness that no-one at Utd has seen that. Fair enough keep him as CEO or what have you for he great off field work, but it's obvious he has been detrimental to the footballing side.

I just highly doubt it would be something Pochettino would do.

Still hope Poch goes abroad however!
 

Dillspur

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Don’t agree it was a clanger letting him go it was very much the right time, the players didn’t want to run or play for him any longer and he didn’t really want to be here any longer, sometimes good things come to an end.

if he takes the utd job sure I bet he’ll do very well but the club didn’t make a clanger letting him go not at all.

It was sadly the right time, the clanger was not properly backing him.
 

tototoner

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I think the article is nonsense but the longer Poch is out of the game the more likely he ends up at Utd for me. Let's hope PSG and Real sack managers this summer.

Personally I think he's a certainty to go to Man Utd in the summer
 

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I think it’s been a certainty ever since they sacked Mourinho. Potentially why our season fell away last year when Poch was linked with the job etc.

Personally I think he's a certainty to go to Man Utd in the summer

It all depends on how well Ole does, if he gets them top for or close I don't think they will sack him.
 

Ossie85

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Different manager, same mistakes in the transfer window.
The PR machine even says the same thing. Poch (now Mourinho) is happy with our squad.
Wonder how many still believe the bs that we didn't get another striker because Pochettino didn't want to

I think it's pretty clear after this window that the reason we didn't sign players for 2 straight windows was not Pochettino. (and ultimately he paid the price)

I must admit baldy has some moves, as making Mourinho say he's happy with a squad with no striker is no simple feat
 

jamesc0le

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basically Levy told Mourinho that Kane is superhuman and showed him the recovery stats. to which jose reportedly replied ''ohh, i see..''
 

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Different manager, same mistakes in the transfer window.
The PR machine even says the same thing. Poch (now Mourinho) is happy with our squad.
Wonder how many still believe the bs that we didn't get another striker because Pochettino didn't want to

I think it's pretty clear after this window that the reason we didn't sign players for 2 straight windows was not Pochettino. (and ultimately he paid the price)

I must admit baldy has some moves, as making Mourinho say he's happy with a squad with no striker is no simple feat
It starts and ends with baldy.

Could land a fucking helicopter on that thing, by the way
 

Havre

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Different manager, same mistakes in the transfer window.
The PR machine even says the same thing. Poch (now Mourinho) is happy with our squad.
Wonder how many still believe the bs that we didn't get another striker because Pochettino didn't want to

I think it's pretty clear after this window that the reason we didn't sign players for 2 straight windows was not Pochettino. (and ultimately he paid the price)

I must admit baldy has some moves, as making Mourinho say he's happy with a squad with no striker is no simple feat

What is the club supposed to say even if this was true? "Once again we failed"? How is that helpful for anyone? Redknapp's "as good as it gets" kind of thing? Fans loved that. And seemingly the players as well.

And you just choose not to listen when Mourinho said he wanted a striker? Where is the PR machine spin on that one?

I think Mourinho explained that quite nicely. He also specifically said several times that before taking the job Levy and him were on the same page (one of the reasons he took the job). And he mentioned I guess in the last press conference how he is pleased working in a club where everyone are pulling in the same direction (or something of that effect).

Obviously if you choose not to believe any of that nothing will ever convince you that you might be wrong. You can argue Mourinho has incentives to "lie" about the truth now that he has the job, but he really didn't have to take it in the first place. And we have seen how good Mourinho is at covering up disagreements with club management before in other clubs. Maybe we will see that Mourinho later and then I could be inclined to share your views to some extent, but so far there is really no evidence that you are correct.

Not to mention I wonder where people think the money we should have spent, but are not is going? It's not paid to the owners so.... meaning it is not disappearing if not spent.
 

kaz Hirai

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What is the club supposed to say even if this was true? "Once again we failed"? How is that helpful for anyone? Redknapp's "as good as it gets" kind of thing? Fans loved that. And seemingly the players as well.

And you just choose not to listen when Mourinho said he wanted a striker? Where is the PR machine spin on that one?

I think Mourinho explained that quite nicely. He also specifically said several times that before taking the job Levy and him were on the same page (one of the reasons he took the job). And he mentioned I guess in the last press conference how he is pleased working in a club where everyone are pulling in the same direction (or something of that effect).

Obviously if you choose not to believe any of that nothing will ever convince you that you might be wrong. You can argue Mourinho has incentives to "lie" about the truth now that he has the job, but he really didn't have to take it in the first place. And we have seen how good Mourinho is at covering up disagreements with club management before in other clubs. Maybe we will see that Mourinho later and then I could be inclined to share your views to some extent, but so far there is really no evidence that you are correct.

Not to mention I wonder where people think the money we should have spent, but are not is going? It's not paid to the owners so.... meaning it is not disappearing if not spent.

Poch said the same thing. Great squad, happy with it, don't need players etc
Great facilities etc etc
Know we can't do things like other clubs, have to be clever in the market etc etc
He and Levy share same vision etc etc

Give it 2 more transfer windows and watch Jose crack faster than poch. Its one thing being forced to operate like we're Everton/Leicester budget wise, but when youre also pressured to win trophies and finish in the CL ahead of heavy weights like city, pool and united the situation likely becomes ridiculous, ultra stressful, and unenjoyable.

Shame, levy should've left instead of poch
 
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Havre

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Poch said the same thing. Great squad, happy with it, don't need players etc
Great facilities etc etc
Know we can't do things like other clubs, have to be clever in the market etc etc
He and Levy share same vision etc etc

Give it 2 more transfer windows and watch Jose crack faster than poch. Its one thing being forced to operate like we're Everton/Leicester, but when youre also pressured to win trophies and finish in the CL ahead of heavy weights like city, pool and united the situation likely becomes ridiculous, ultra stressful, and unenjoyable.

Shame, levy should've left instead of poch

Forced to? What does that mean?

Why are Southampton not buying N'Dombele? Why are they forced to buy cheaper players?

What will happen if Levy leaves? More money will magically appear from somewhere? Take away the oil money and that doesn't happen. If the likes of Pochettino can't manage any club without unlimited resources I think that is more his problem than Spurs'.

As for dreaming of someone rich spending their own money on the club. That is another discussion. Personally I think football clubs should spend the money they themselves generate. Not some random gulf state's money that really should have been spent on developing their countries.
 

hellava_tough

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We just have to be patient and see what happens in the summer.

JM is well aware of how Levy works and the two of them would have had long discussions on transfer policy before JM signed. And it's not like JM was desperate for the Spurs job; he's taken it freely with full understanding and knows what he's getting himself into.

Unless Levy has straight up lied to him, which doesn't seem likely.

As for the transfer window itself, it wasn't shocking; a couple of players in that JM definitely rates, Lo Celso permanent and a few leaving including teeing up permanent deals in the summer.

It was January afterall...
 

spursfan77

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We just have to be patient and see what happens in the summer.

JM is well aware of how Levy works and the two of them would have had long discussions on transfer policy before JM signed. And it's not like JM was desperate for the Spurs job; he's taken it freely with full understanding and knows what he's getting himself into.

Unless Levy has straight up lied to him, which doesn't seem likely.

As for the transfer window itself, it wasn't shocking; a couple of players in that JM definitely rates, Lo Celso permanent and a few leaving including teeing up permanent deals in the summer.

It was January afterall...

Good luck with that.

Poch has gone. We are still recovering in the transfer market not just from Levy’s mistakes but his as well.

Mourinho is left to pick up the pieces. One example: the loaning out of younger players. Another example: moving on unwanted players in Eriksen and Rose. Another example: getting key players to sign in Alderweireld. Yet another example: trying to bring in a striker where there only seems to be shit players available.

All of those examples should of been dealt with last summer but weren’t. Who’s fault it is, we don’t know, but I bet it was a team effort in ineptitude.
 

hellava_tough

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Good luck with that.

Poch has gone. We are still recovering in the transfer market not just from Levy’s mistakes but his as well.

Mourinho is left to pick up the pieces. One example: the loaning out of younger players. Another example: moving on unwanted players in Eriksen and Rose. Another example: getting key players to sign in Alderweireld. Yet another example: trying to bring in a striker where there only seems to be shit players available.

All of those examples should of been dealt with last summer but weren’t. Who’s fault it is, we don’t know, but I bet it was a team effort in ineptitude.

And the summer before...

Yeah I agree with you, but JM knows what the state of play is.

I think we're only a couple of full-backs, a midfielder and a striker away from being comfortably in the Top-4 again and possibly even challenging Liverpool (as crazy as the latter sounds).

Signing 4 players in the summer is doable; we did it last summer after all.
 

danielneeds

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And the summer before...

Yeah I agree with you, but JM knows what the state of play is.

I think we're only a couple of full-backs, a midfielder and a striker away from being comfortably in the Top-4 again and possibly even challenging Liverpool (as crazy as the latter sounds).

Signing 4 players in the summer is doable; we did it last summer after all.
I don’t think this is at all a given. We can take for granted that two spots in the four are locked in for Liverpool and City for the next couple of years or their managers change, then we’re fighting for two spots. When you look at all our dominant PL players we really only have Kane and Son at the moment, all the rest are either declining, or trying to establish or reestablish themselves.

Some of them may become dominant players in the league but we don’t know yet. And then the players we bring in next summer will in all likelihood be young and need time to acclimatise.

There’s a lot of competition for those two spots. I’m particularly worried about Arsenal, who have an outstanding crop of youngsters coming through and a progressive manager. If they can sort their defence and get out the shirkers they’ll be a threat.
 
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Ossie85

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Forced to? What does that mean?

Why are Southampton not buying N'Dombele? Why are they forced to buy cheaper players?

What will happen if Levy leaves? More money will magically appear from somewhere? Take away the oil money and that doesn't happen. If the likes of Pochettino can't manage any club without unlimited resources I think that is more his problem than Spurs'.

As for dreaming of someone rich spending their own money on the club. That is another discussion. Personally I think football clubs should spend the money they themselves generate. Not some random gulf state's money that really should have been spent on developing their countries.

It's not about more money is about spending it wisely.
We needed a DM, a RB and a striker since Kane got injured. Yet we signed a box to box and a winger, 2 positions we have several players. It's like when we accumulated RBs. There doesn't seem to be any planning. We just buy if the player is good and on sale.
The opposite of what Liverpool did when they desperately needed key signings.

And that's Levy, not the managers. I think the first window Poch got the ones he wanted was in the summer with Ndombele and GLC. The first time we paid good money.
What is pissing me off right now is we keep doing the same things and putting the same excuses. I don't believe one bit about Mourinho being OK with having no striker. Just as I didn't believe when Pochettino said he was happy with the squad. Each time a transfer window closes the manager seems to pushed to say he's happy with the squad. Then the ITK start posting that the manager is happy, which is obviously fed by the club. It's been the same for the past 4 years. People actually believe we signed no one in the past windows because Poch didn't want to, and now are blaming him for the state of the squad, when he repeatedly said the squad needed a rebuild
Unless we get a DoF that manages this, things won't change. It's not about the money, it's about what we do with it and how we manage the squad
 

Havre

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It's not about more money is about spending it wisely.
We needed a DM, a RB and a striker since Kane got injured. Yet we signed a box to box and a winger, 2 positions we have several players. It's like when we accumulated RBs. There doesn't seem to be any planning. We just buy if the player is good and on sale.
The opposite of what Liverpool did when they desperately needed key signings.

And that's Levy, not the managers. I think the first window Poch got the ones he wanted was in the summer with Ndombele and GLC. The first time we paid good money.
What is pissing me off right now is we keep doing the same things and putting the same excuses. I don't believe one bit about Mourinho being OK with having no striker. Just as I didn't believe when Pochettino said he was happy with the squad. Each time a transfer window closes the manager seems to pushed to say he's happy with the squad. Then the ITK start posting that the manager is happy, which is obviously fed by the club. It's been the same for the past 4 years. People actually believe we signed no one in the past windows because Poch didn't want to, and now are blaming him for the state of the squad, when he repeatedly said the squad needed a rebuild
Unless we get a DoF that manages this, things won't change. It's not about the money, it's about what we do with it and how we manage the squad

You know this is all Levy accumulating RBs? I might say that was all Pochettino. How would you know?

I'm not going to argue the opposite as I wouldn't know. I do not know how the communication is between manager, Levy and others before we buy players, but I don't believe for a second Pochettino wouldn't have left earlier if it was all Levy. And Levy would never have been able to convince Mourinho is he didn't give Mourinho quite a lot of autonomy.
 

hellava_tough

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It's not about more money is about spending it wisely.
We needed a DM, a RB and a striker since Kane got injured. Yet we signed a box to box and a winger, 2 positions we have several players. It's like when we accumulated RBs. There doesn't seem to be any planning. We just buy if the player is good and on sale.
The opposite of what Liverpool did when they desperately needed key signings.

And that's Levy, not the managers. I think the first window Poch got the ones he wanted was in the summer with Ndombele and GLC. The first time we paid good money.
What is pissing me off right now is we keep doing the same things and putting the same excuses. I don't believe one bit about Mourinho being OK with having no striker. Just as I didn't believe when Pochettino said he was happy with the squad. Each time a transfer window closes the manager seems to pushed to say he's happy with the squad. Then the ITK start posting that the manager is happy, which is obviously fed by the club. It's been the same for the past 4 years. People actually believe we signed no one in the past windows because Poch didn't want to, and now are blaming him for the state of the squad, when he repeatedly said the squad needed a rebuild
Unless we get a DoF that manages this, things won't change. It's not about the money, it's about what we do with it and how we manage the squad

I've been the first to criticise our transfer dealings in the past, but I think these are positions were were going to have to sign at some point anyway. May as well sign them when we can.
 
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