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Twizzle

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Pretty sad when this comes from a 13 year old, you have to wonder what sort of environment he has been raised in.
 

Donki

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Pretty sad when this comes from a 13 year old, you have to wonder what sort of environment he has been raised in.

He’s raised in Britain, he has probably seen racism in all parts of his life, so I’m honestly only surprised people find this shocking. The kid has no idea what racism is he just does what he sees. Of course the parents should be educating him better but when grown men are doing the same in the stands you can see why it happens. We as a club aren’t without blame either. Shocked no I’m not, very sad yes, but il be honest as a kid I remember doing things now which were blatantly racist.
 

Bulletspur

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It is peculiar though that Burnley does look to be a almost entirely English team, white English that is. White English coaches, White English players. OK, they've got a couple of Irish guys, I suppose. The one who technically is from New Zealand, was in fact raised in Bath.
What are you trying to say? A 13 year old does something stupid and racist, now the whole football club/town are racist?
Have no idea about the town mate, I couldn't even point it out on a map. But that the club is whiter than my white shirts, yeah I think that is strange, and I think it's OK to say that it is strange.
To add oil to the fire, If I recall correctly, Dyche (Spelling) did go on record and say he wants his team to be British because he could rely on them, Never had anytime for him and Burnley since.
 

Bulletspur

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He’s raised in Britain, he has probably seen racism in all parts of his life, so I’m honestly only surprised people find this shocking. The kid has no idea what racism is he just does what he sees. Of course the parents should be educating him better but when grown men are doing the same in the stands you can see why it happens. We as a club aren’t without blame either. Shocked no I’m not, very sad yes, but il be honest as a kid I remember doing things now which were blatantly racist.
Most sensible post in this thread!! ?
 

Metalhead

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He’s raised in Britain, he has probably seen racism in all parts of his life, so I’m honestly only surprised people find this shocking. The kid has no idea what racism is he just does what he sees. Of course the parents should be educating him better but when grown men are doing the same in the stands you can see why it happens. We as a club aren’t without blame either. Shocked no I’m not, very sad yes, but il be honest as a kid I remember doing things now which were blatantly racist.
Absolutely this.
 

Dougal

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Great that we spent the whole of rainbow laces weekend telling gay players it was safe to come out yet we’re still tackling racism in football grounds. If you’ve got to the age of 13 with racist views it’s down to the parents, more so than the kid. I hope for his sake official action makes more of an impression on him than his parents have done and he goes on to bring up his kids properly when that day comes around.
 

WalkerboyUK

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Great that we spent the whole of rainbow laces weekend telling gay players it was safe to come out yet we’re still tackling racism in football grounds. If you’ve got to the age of 13 with racist views it’s down to the parents, more so than the kid. I hope for his sake official action makes more of an impression on him than his parents have done and he goes on to bring up his kids properly when that day comes around.

Normally I'd agree, but it really isn't always the case.
My boy is at school with a few of the lads from his football team.
One of them is quiet as a mouse, or so you'd think.
Parents divorced, lives with mum, who's a special needs teacher and wouldn't say boo to a goose.
Apparently though, this lad is a different kid altogether at school and my boy has been astonished with some of the things he's said, including some racist bits and pieces.
That's not come from his mum... That's come from media, social media and what he hears around school etc.
It's the same with swearing - we tried to shield our kids from excessive language and so on, then you realise they hear it at school regardless.

This kid at the game on Saturday has probably been to multiple matches and I'd wager he's heard other supporters say stuff too.

Don't always blame the parents!
 

Dougal

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Normally I'd agree, but it really isn't always the case.
My boy is at school with a few of the lads from his football team.
One of them is quiet as a mouse, or so you'd think.
Parents divorced, lives with mum, who's a special needs teacher and wouldn't say boo to a goose.
Apparently though, this lad is a different kid altogether at school and my boy has been astonished with some of the things he's said, including some racist bits and pieces.
That's not come from his mum... That's come from media, social media and what he hears around school etc.
It's the same with swearing - we tried to shield our kids from excessive language and so on, then you realise they hear it at school regardless.

This kid at the game on Saturday has probably been to multiple matches and I'd wager he's heard other supporters say stuff too.

Don't always blame the parents!
I think parents should have some say in what media and social media their kids are exposed to. Certainly up to an age where they know this kind of behaviour is unacceptable. And it’s far too easy to say ‘other kids in school’. Those kids have parents too and if they were all taking responsibility for their kids upbringing where would the problem lie? Something sneaks into a child’s behaviour that begins to lead them down the wrong path and at the earliest opportunity the child should be educated about the reasons it is wrong. Kids aren’t racist, they’re inquisitive. It’s up to parents to answer questions responsibly and lead by example. That 13 year old has almost definitely picked up those views close to home.
 

Gassin's finest

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He’s raised in Britain, he has probably seen racism in all parts of his life, so I’m honestly only surprised people find this shocking. The kid has no idea what racism is he just does what he sees. Of course the parents should be educating him better but when grown men are doing the same in the stands you can see why it happens. We as a club aren’t without blame either. Shocked no I’m not, very sad yes, but il be honest as a kid I remember doing things now which were blatantly racist.
How many of us would have sang the original words of the "eenie meenie miney mo" method of choosing who was "it" in the playground in the 80s, without realising what we were saying.
 

WalkerboyUK

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I think parents should have some say in what media and social media their kids are exposed to. Certainly up to an age where they know this kind of behaviour is unacceptable. And it’s far too easy to say ‘other kids in school’. Those kids have parents too and if they were all taking responsibility for their kids upbringing where would the problem lie? Something sneaks into a child’s behaviour that begins to lead them down the wrong path and at the earliest opportunity the child should be educated about the reasons it is wrong. Kids aren’t racist, they’re inquisitive. It’s up to parents to answer questions responsibly and lead by example. That 13 year old has almost definitely picked up those views close to home.

How old are your kids?
Mine are 13/16 and although I can monitor them to an extent, I also have to trust them not to be watching shit that isn't suitable.
 

teok

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Seems like there was a lot of incidents this weekend.


https://www.skysports.com/football/...topped-after-alleged-racist-incident-in-crowd


e - Link is broken because of the swear filter.
 

Dougal

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How old are your kids?
Mine are 13/16 and although I can monitor them to an extent, I also have to trust them not to be watching shit that isn't suitable.
And you’ve built up that trust over 13/16 years. Mine are 2/4. Every time they do something wrong it’s their parents who educate them about it. I’ve talked more in the last 4 years than I did in my previous 38 because I’m constantly explaining things. They’re my responsibility and I have no fear about either of them turning 13 and racially abusing a player.
 

Gassin's finest

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And you’ve built up that trust over 13/16 years. Mine are 2/4. Every time they do something wrong it’s their parents who educate them about it. I’ve talked more in the last 4 years than I did in my previous 38 because I’m constantly explaining things. They’re my responsibility and I have no fear about either of them turning 13 and racially abusing a player.
Also you're from London/Watford... If you to go up to Burnley, or any Lancashire/West Yorkshire town you'll be surprised.

Toughest place I worked was this outlet warehouse on a Gosforth industrial estate... not because the work was hard, but because everyone working there was beyond casually racist. Darkie's, Paki's, Chinky's etc etc etc. Hideously backwards, and genuinely astonished that I wasn't, to the point of distrust. That was 12/13 years ago. I doubt much has changed, and in fact with today's climate likely to have reversed further.
 

WalkerboyUK

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And you’ve built up that trust over 13/16 years. Mine are 2/4. Every time they do something wrong it’s their parents who educate them about it. I’ve talked more in the last 4 years than I did in my previous 38 because I’m constantly explaining things. They’re my responsibility and I have no fear about either of them turning 13 and racially abusing a player.

True... A few years back we discovered my lad was on YouTube watching videos of footballers getting seriously injured.
He never did it again after I pointed out that I could see his viewing history!
 

Dougal

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Also you're from London/Watford... If you to go up to Burnley, or any Lancashire/West Yorkshire town you'll be surprised.

Toughest place I worked was this outlet warehouse on a Gosforth industrial estate... not because the work was hard, but because everyone working there was beyond casually racist. Darkie's, Paki's, Chinky's etc etc etc. Hideously backwards, and genuinely astonished that I wasn't, to the point of distrust. That was 12/13 years ago. I doubt much has changed, and in fact with today's climate likely to have reversed further.
UKIP is strong in Watford. But not in my house. Again, it starts at home with the parents, before the kids step out the door into the community.
 

Dougal

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True... A few years back we discovered my lad was on YouTube watching videos of footballers getting seriously injured.
He never did it again after I pointed out that I could see his viewing history!
Just don’t let him see yours (y)
 
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