Do we look like we CAN turn a corner?

[DiscoD1882]

turn a corner four times and you are back where you started.

 

[prawnsandwich]

But I don't think this is the answer either. Integrating a whole host of new players mid-season is disruptive and, since we're unlikely to pay the premium costs for PL players, is likely to involve players having to adjust to a new league. We've seen with even an experienced player like Fazio that this is a tricky process.

We just need another striker(s) who can score goals in the prem. That's all.

 

[SamR]

We'll never truly turn the corner with our current business plan. We can blame managers and players all we want, but until we keep hold of our best players (game changing players), we'll forever bounce back and forth on progress.

When you compare the team of a few years back to now, it's unrecognisable...no consistency no progress.

 

[DiscoD1882]

We'll never truly turn the corner with our current business plan. We can blame managers and players all we want, but until we keep hold of our best players (game changing players), we'll forever bounce back and forth on progress.

When you compare the team of a few years back to now, it's unrecognisable...no consistency no progress.

Whilst this is true. Arsenal have consistenly sold their best players and have continued to do well. so the business model does work. It is the players we are replacing them with that is the problem. Therefore this is down to scouting and purchasing of sub standard players.

 

[SteveH]

There are small signs of improvement - City, even though we lost to an Aguero master class and Everton matches. But it is still a leap of faith as it would be with most new managers in a underachieving and mentally fragile team.

The most important problem is the lack of goals. Look at last night we should have been two up at half time and game over.

Also we cannot rely on Harry Kane - he's a good lad and does his best but he not a front line striker, yet.

 

[kremlyn]

If you title a thread with CAPITAL LETTERS, do you automatically attract a certain type of poster?

 

[mrlilywhite]

Whilst this is true. Arsenal have consistenly sold their best players and have continued to do well. so the business model does work. It is the players we are replacing them with that is the problem. Therefore this is down to scouting and purchasing of sub standard players.

Yep this is true. Arsenal have always bought players that fit the system in which Wenger wants them to play. We just sign new managers and expect them to build around dysfunctional players. We are atrocious in all aspects of recruiting. Daniel Levy for my money has tried pissing in the wind far too often when it comes to footballing decisions. Makes you consistently question the football education of Levy every-time he makes a decision. How much blind faith does he need to put up with before he seriously doubts his role in all of this???

 

[SimpleSimonSays]

I wish we could but not with this squad. We have not bought well over the last 18 months except Fazio. He will be mint when fully settled into the team

 

[SteveH]

We'll never truly turn the corner with our current business plan. We can blame managers and players all we want, but until we keep hold of our best players (game changing players), we'll forever bounce back and forth on progress.

When you compare the team of a few years back to now, it's unrecognisable...no consistency no progress.

Repeat after me - Players will not stay a Spurs when the can move and triple there salaries - oh and then also win something as a bonus.
This is not a Spurs thing, it is all clubs except Barcelona, Real, Chelsea and City. Even Bayern's players are not safe.

It has nothing to do with business plans. It is economic reality.

Dont mention Schneiderlin - the only reason we did not get him is we could/would not pay the £28-30m Soton wanted. Money plain and simple. Get used to it.

 

[TaoistMonkey]

I wish we could but not with this squad. We have not bought well over the last 18 months except Fazio. He will be mint when fully settled into the team

This post says it all. Few good games and now he's "Mint".

You do realise if he plays badly in his next game everyone will say he's the worst player we've ever signed.

 

[striebs]

K

From this post:

15 league games and you've decided Poch should be shown the door before next season.

You actively want Spurs to lose a game.

Hmmm.

The Leicester players are giving it their all .

I can identify with that so want them to stay up . 3 points isn't going to make any difference to us .

It's very difficult identifying with our current lot and what Spurs has become over the past 20 years .

 

[alfiespurs]

Turn a corner - never. These lot wil never know what a corner is - The only lads prepared to roll us the sleeves and give it all are the likes of Kane,Mason,Bentlab, Lennon - too many average players - just to pick up the weekly pay cheque. As I always mentioned - worst Spurs side since the days of Austin,Edinburgh,Iversen etc .... Relegation Fodder breaks my heart but I will not waste a single penny on the Levy Empire ..

 

[benski]

Anyone got Thw Samaritans number to hand? A lot of you should in all honesty

 

[Mullers]

We looked like we turned a corner and....I want us to but I don't think we will. I think Poch's best hope is to get some more youngsters into the side. II think Levy is already writing a manager shortless, Poch or Baldini will hand Levy a list of players he wants in and out, Levy will say yes ok and then as soon as they walk out the door, they will screw it up in a ball and throw it in a bin.

 

[DiamondLites]

I thought we had vs Everton, 1 step forward 2 steps back

As for off the pitch, a leopard doesn't change it's spots so Levy isn't going to change the way things are handled regards transfer policy. And to be honest I'm not sure if want him to gamble the financial security of the club because we all know we'd bugger it up somehow no matter how much we spent or who we signed. Then who would we blame?

 

[Dundalk_Spur]

The only constant in the last few years is the majority of players. The main theme between the majority of them is a very poor/weak mentality.

Take West Ham for example, are there any of their new players a huge improvement on ours in terms of skill and potential?? I don't think so but you look at the mentality they have to drive and win and give every last bit of energy. No big billy bob egos with the new players there.

If the coach is allowed to take in those that he believes in (within our budget of course) then he should be given time and we are going to have to bite our tongues for the long term benefit of our club. If ITK is right and only about 12 of the current squad is up to the job according to the coach ( and this team underperformed last year and without Bale the previous year would have done too) then maybe that is where the fault lie.

Lets have some stability and some patience and see where the current coaching staff takes us in the next two years, and see what team they produce. Remember there was a club here before we qualified for Champions League and there will be one here when it is replaced with the next UEFA money making venture.

COYS

 

[Lawrence]

Please don't say we played better under Sherwood. There was no clear plan. He did well because Ade was functioning and he malfunctions sooner than later.

We are possessing better, pressing ( not as a unit, but pressing) and moving the ball towards goal. That is the improvement.

But the passing is sloWWWWW. The defenders are not pacy enough to recover when the defence is so high enough.I am convinced Poch is not getting his ideas across. Is it just me but I do not understand his English. And the lack of set piece offense practice is unacceptable.

 

[Dundalk_Spur]

I suppose the biggest disappointment for me has been the exciting prospect of Poch improving under performing players has turned into the opposite

Poch didn't have a track record with trophies , but the glowing endorsements of the Soton players re how he'd improved them was quite striking .

We drooled at the prospect of him getting hold of our underperformers but several now seem worse than ever

Difference IMO is they had hungry players looking to improve, our boys think they have made it and don't need to. Funny how the better performers are the younger ones coming through the system.

 

[Flashspur]

At the moment we are worse under Poch than we were under Sherwood and that's a pretty damning indictment.

It's still too early to say that Poch can't turn it around though and I still largely don't blame him for our problems. I think he's inherited a squad of players who think they are better than they are and he needs to be given the chance to get rid of the chancers like Soldado, Lamela and Paulinho (plus about seven others) and bring in players he trusts and can work with.

If we don't get a significant number of fresh faces in January then I don't think we will turn a corner this season. The players we have are showing that by and large they simply aren't up to it.

we haven't been thrashed under Poch like we were under AVB and Tiny Tim. Small blessings innit but an improvement all the same...except for Man City and we were a man down

 

[Ribble]

K



The Leicester players are giving it their all .

I can identify with that so want them to stay up . 3 points isn't going to make any difference to us .

It's very difficult identifying with our current lot and what Spurs has become over the past 20 years .

The Leicester players clearly give a shit. What's pretty clear from the last couple of seasons and 3 separate head coaches is that we have too many who just plain don't regardless, and Pochettino is doing the one thing he can about that - not using them unless absolutely necessary. Unfortunately, unless they do get flogged & replaced in January, we're going to have to continue doing that too.

It's a sorry state of affairs but given they weren't bought on his watch you can't hang Pochettino for it.