England - The Future Outlook

[Bus-Conductor]

Now they just need the chance to play top level football.

Or Southgate could walk his talk and play them.

Lookman, Sancho and some of the Chelsea boys are already playing first team football abroad.

I’d have rather seen Sancho out there than Welbeck

 

[gp13tot]

England will never win the world cup anytime soon. Not enough cerebral players compared to other top nations. Bad culture within the team, too many players looking out for themselves, feeling they have the right to take tons of touches. Playing in a different way to their clubs and no complaint can be made about media support or pressure this time round. Many good young players not playing enough football to develop to the levels needed. We're miles behind other top nations. This is before fixture congestion and the demands of the English style are considered.

Great to reach the last 4, but we've not played consistently well or even progressively. Southgate is a perfect mainstream media manager for the current climate but didn't show that tactically he had enough against other top nations.

This should be a springboard but i suspect it won't be

 

[mightyspur]

I remember when the FA came out with these targets and everyone scoffed FA chairman Greg Dyke targets 2022 World Cup win for England - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23957335

But fair play, we got to the world cup semi final 2 years earlier than planned. Hopefully we can go one better in the Euro's. Big ask, but you never know. Inferior teams have won it before.

 

[cunn1ngstunt]

Fundamentally it came down to what we always knew in this World Cup. Our undoing would be our lack of inexperience and established quality at the back. Stones and maguire performed admirably at times but by no where needed the finished article needed to absorb and provide the levels needed to contain the very best. We would always go as far as their luck would take us. Of which I’m grateful for and hopeful for better things to come.

 

[nattydredd]

Current state of English national football

U-20 World Cup Winners
U-17 World Cup Winners
U-17 European Champions
U-21 3 successive Toulon Championships & European Semi-Finalists
Men's National Team, World Cup 4th

I think there's room for hope going forward.

 

[IGSpur]

Not enough cerebral players compared to other top nations.

England have plenty of talented CM/AMs in their youth sides. I think even a Winks would have been more effective than a Henderson and Winks isn't even the best CM in youth football, he's just the one that happened to get a chance.

Players like Dozzell, Foden, Mount, Colkett, Slattery(though permacrocked) , Kirby, McEachran, Onomah and Edwards are all dangerous players who were a lot more highly rated that can play in that CM/CAM role, but the majority of them are stuck at top 6 clubs where there is no sense of patience to give them a chance, and they can buy the most in form average player to block their path and waste a year or 2 letting them adapt, rather than just saving the money and accepting the ups and downs that will come with inexperience

 

[spursfan77]

I’d be surprised if we kick on as a nation. I just don’t think the quality of coaches is available at international level. The players have got to be coached by Boothroyd and Southgate. We actually need the explayers like Gerrard and Lampard to be amazing managers very quickly because they will be the only English ones who will get a chance at the top job.

I think we just got lucky with the draw, had we come up against a better team earlier we would have gone out.

We’ve got loads of good kids coming through but if they don’t get opportunities at club level it’s hard for Southgate to pick them. I hope as @Bus-Conductor says Southgate is brave enough to or the players move clubs like Sancho and Lookman have, although the latter could get a chance at Everton this season. He should do compared to what other attacking options they have available.

In terms of THFC’s role we will continue to be very important if we can get Winks back fit and playing consistently and also if we sign Grealish as if he pulls his socks up could kick on under Poch but that will be up to him.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Lol, only one umbrella for Putin then

 

[rabbikeane]

lads - if he gets his fitness sorted i promise you Winks will be the missing piece in midfield for Euro 2020

Can't just be down to one player though, due to indeed fitness, Harry Winks was supposed to be that missing piece this time around as well. I reckon it would have been Henderson + Winks and Lallana if injuries hadn't taken its toll. The positive thing is that there are several coming through, I would have had Lewis Cook in the squad this time already.

 

[rabbikeane]

My opinion, but I believe a lot like you over estimate Wink's capabilities. Wishful thinking doesnt and wont turn him into an Eriksen, or an Iniesta or an Isco or any players of that ilk. He is a very good Central midfielder but to suggest he will be the answer to an England play maker that will open up defenses, is stretching it a bit.

He's not comparable to those, certainly not in quality, but more importantly not in type. A playmaker isn't neccesarily there to open up defences, but to provide a flow of play in the middle. That's what someone like Winks can add, and others England have coming through. The Eriksen/Inieste/Isco role is also desirable and missing for England, have to have faith in guys like Jadon Sancho reaching his potential. We look already likely to miss with Marcus Edwards and Patrick Roberts.

 

[DCSPUR]

My opinion, but I believe a lot like you over estimate Wink's capabilities. Wishful thinking doesnt and wont turn him into an Eriksen, or an Inniesta or an Isco or any players of that ilk. He is a very good Central midfielder but to suggest he will be the answer to an England play maker that will open up defenses, is stretching it a bit. The same applies to Loftus Cheek. Then again I could be wrong but I doubt it somehow

disagree mate - but I don't think we think that he is the English equivalent of the players you mention....he is more in the xavi style.
Look at his two games against Madrid (highlights on line). Just what club and country need so badly.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Its more than just a creative MFer...France did not have a creative MFer.

I think Southgate is on the right path - but not quite there yet. He has to get the attacking tactics correct - Kane and Sterling do not mesh well together, and probably never will - they each have different strengths. Kane is a 9, and needs players who can feed him. Sterling is a player who needs lots of movement from his attacking mates to create space.

So, if you build around Kane, you need a #10 who can move the ball around in the attacking end, you need a player to support Kane - like Dele does at Spurs.

If you build around Sterling, you need 2 more speed merchants who are constantly running at defenses creating space in the formation.

France used Giroud as a targetman, who held up, and then fed Mbappe and Griezmann (and before anyone suggests it - Sterling is nowhere near their level) - and then just used the MF to defend, and spring counter attacks - not a creative player in the bunch. Kane is too good of a scorer to be wasted in a Giroud role though...

 

[Shadydan]

Winks doesn't need to be Xavi or Iniesta or Eriksen, he just needs to get fit, a fit Winks walks into that England midfield and will be a massive help in moving the ball forward and recycling it.