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dontcallme

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It's what he said about deadline day being such an important day for Levy. He thrives on it he says.

He also said he was really keen to sign a couple of decent players in January 2012 and Levy said no and brought in Nelson and Saha instead.

So my point is when Harry says 'it's hard to improve the squad I've got' and Poch says 'I'm happy with my squad', you shouldn't always take their words for granted.

Levy doesn't always back the Managers.
Don’t remember him mentioning Saha and Nelsen in the interview. Will give it another watch but I don’t think what you have quoted is from the video I was discussing.

I have already agreed that what he says shouldn’t be taken as gospel.
 

carmeldevil

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It's what he said about deadline day being such an important day for Levy. He thrives on it he says.

He also said he was really keen to sign a couple of decent players in January 2012 and Levy said no and brought in Nelson and Saha instead.

So my point is when Harry says 'it's hard to improve the squad I've got' and Poch says 'I'm happy with my squad', you shouldn't always take their words for granted.

Levy doesn't always back the Managers.

Lovely that we have a deadline day addict as chairman. Time for intervention!
 

nedley

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Don’t remember him mentioning Saha and Nelsen in the interview. Will give it another watch but I don’t think what you have quoted is from the video I was discussing.

I have already agreed that what he says shouldn’t be taken as gospel.
I listened from the sky sports transfer podcast. Darmesh was the interviewer
 

mill

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Lovely that we have a deadline day addict as chairman. Time for intervention!

I remember hearing an agent being interviewed on h&J on deadline day discussing how it works, Phil Smith I think his name was, and he said one deadline day levy rung him at the crack of dawn full of beans saying “What deals are we doing today then?” I’d rather we had more of a plan and strategy than that tbh
 

CheeseGromit

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Dows Levy shop at the reduced to clear baskets at a supermarket Im sure once in a blue moon something is going to be good But usually the items are there for a reason
 

dontcallme

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Hey come on. Let’s not resort to this. Keep it civil
Lol, he’s the one calling me stupid for saying it is easier for a wealthy club to attain funding than a less wealthy club and I am stupid for saying Redknapp said a few things against Levy when he first left but has softened a bit since.

But to keep it civil I have put him on ignore.
 

PLTuck

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Football is like life. Ups and downs. Take the rough with the smooth. Don't expect linear progress. And eat your greens.
 

dontcallme

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It's what he said about deadline day being such an important day for Levy. He thrives on it he says.

He also said he was really keen to sign a couple of decent players in January 2012 and Levy said no and brought in Nelson and Saha instead.

So my point is when Harry says 'it's hard to improve the squad I've got' and Poch says 'I'm happy with my squad', you shouldn't always take their words for granted.

Levy doesn't always back the Managers.
Just watched the Spurs bit again, he doesn't say anything of the sort. Are you referring to the above interview?
 

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A few questions that I need to know
How you could hurt Pochettino so
I need to know what you did wrong
And how long it was going on
Was it that you never signed enough replacements?
Or did you only offer make believe enticements?
Not only will your answers keep me sane
But I'll know never to pay the ticket price again
You can tell me to my face or even in THST notes
You can write it in an email, either way, I have to know
Did you never treat him right?
Did you always start the fight?
Either way, I'm going out of my mind
All the answers to ENIC questions
I have to find

Never ever have I ever felt so low
When you gonna take Spurs out of this black hole?
Never ever have I ever felt so sad
The way I'm feeling yeah, you got me feeling really bad
 

nedley

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Just watched the Spurs bit again, he doesn't say anything of the sort. Are you referring to the above interview?
Transfer talk special podcast with Darmesh. He talked about nearly signing Shevchenko for Pompey.
 

dontcallme

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Transfer talk special podcast with Darmesh. He talked about nearly signing Shevchenko for Pompey.
Thought that was the video I shared. He spoke of nearly signing Shevchenko for Pompey but nothing of what you said about Saha and Nelsen.
 

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Since ENIC bought the club, we have seen a process occur which I have always believed was with the aim of competing for major honours in the very long term.

First the academy and training ground, then the stadium, and for most of ENIC's ownership, a transfer strategy that gave us an improving team whilst also bringing in big fees to further invest in the squad whilst using other income to fund the improvements to the infrastructure.

I expected ENIC to be looking to sell the club for a huge profit at any time, but whilst they were in charge I expected to see continuous improvement to the infrastructure to help maximise the club's value. They are an investment company- it was always extremely probable that they would invest in the club.

I also expected that, assuming ENIC were still in charge, once the stadium was finished, and the infrastructure complete (or as good as), the club would start spending on the team. After all, what's the point in building everything to put the club into a position to challenge and then stopping short at the final step? And surely a winning team would add value to the club, or at least invite the possibility of a wider circle of potential buyers.

So the stadium is now built, and we finally reached the point I have been patiently waiting for- my patience has been greatly aided by some of the players we have had and some of the football the team played over the years, obviously not always but for the most part. The first signings of the final step were promising- Lo Celso and Ndombele both tore up their respective leagues, and Sessegnon has been touted as one of the brightest young prospects in the country, and was fantastic in the championship while still basically a child. And they were all damned expensive. Bergwijn has also been excellent in Holland, and wasn't cheap either. Whether they were the right signings or not is open to debate, but the intent was encouraging, because I didn't seriously anticipate any major spending until the stadium had been open for at least a full season. I assume the Champion's League run had something to do with it.

For me it was always going to be this summer that mattered though, and from what we've seen over the past several months it now matters even more. We quite clearly need to improve in certain positions, and equally clearly we need to move several players on. What Daniel Levy and ENIC do in the summer will make it very clear what the future holds for the club- be it building a quality team at eye-watering prices, cashing in on our star players and replacing them entirely with academy players, selling the club to an ebay hand-sanitizer billionaire, whatever.

If we've waited through the building process to see ENIC fail to take the final step towards building a team that can challenge consistently for the foreseeable future, then it's all been a complete waste of time. There are only two logical options: invest in getting the team right (which doesn't necessarily have to mean signing eight ridiculously expensive players) or sell the club right now because the value isn't going up much from here without that team, and everything else is in place.

I have no idea what's going to happen, but because I'm accustomed to a lifetime of Spurs, it's probably going to be a hilarious clusterfuck completely lacking any semblance of sense, which will fill me full of optimism for 5 minutes then crush my hopes entirely. But then that's just what football does anyway.
 

arnoldlayne

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A long thread from COYS by Dragon 1 who doesn’t usually post and is a known ITK for COYS – I think he hasn’t posted since 2013

The 2019-20 DANIEL LEVY Thread: Please keep ALL posts about our chairman in here
On 8/1/2018 at 6:57 AM onwards


Brian Fantana said:
When you compare him to our previous two chairman he’s done a good job, but let’s be fair, it wouldn’t be hard to improve on Sugar. I’m being harsh obviously. In in terms of Levy I’ve been saying for years that when he delivers the stadium and if it regenerates Tottenham and the area then he deserves an OBE or something. He will have improved an area of london neglected by successive governments for decades for whatever reason. That will be his real legacy if you ask me.

dragon1
scholar won two fa cups and a Uefa cup in 9 years and bought waddle and Gazza to the club , he was negligent in letting Bobroff run the plc into the ground , switch banks to midland bank and the mis management of the east stand, had scholar not had bobroff as a partner things would have been very different
A few points
1- We are no longer for sale and have not been since the palace home game last March so that is not a current option
2- Joe controls what happens with the club not DL , DL loves running the club he would never sell but its not his call
3- Levy is now under intense pressure from all quarters, Even before the Norwich game Joe thought both the results and performances Jose was delivering in relation to the obscene contract he was given were hugely disapointing, levy defense that Jose is a winner do not look to clever now after the last week , I do not know to many directors who would survive the debacle of having to pay 60 million managerial compensation to two high profile managers whilst overseeing a playing squad with little balance or quality , levy is far from untouchable, Spurs are big business now a 2 billion asset with 500 million turnover, levy future very much rest in the hands of Jose being able to turn around
4- Levy not for the first time was badly hoodwinked by Jose with what a wonderful squad you have etc , Jose predictably now changed his tune, pre Norwich Jose wanted 8 new players in the summer and the guy from Lyon as new DOF , I presume after Norwich and last night Jose will want even more players

Shelf Side
Scholar was also a fan who travelled home and away at his own expense to follow the team.
dragon1
scholar loved the club and understood the spurs way how we should play and that we should buy and compete for the very best players, as I said in my previous post he was negligent over Bobroff and the east stand. Whereas I don't believe Levy has the faintest idea what we go through and what the club means to the fans.

dougharrison said:
I mostly agree with this, with the only sticking point being that nobody will meet ENICs valuation. In that sense Lewis/Levy have a lot in common with Mike Ashley. Think we will be getting used to takeover rumours next year when it's ST renewal time in the likely event we have another year like this one, because demand for tickets is sinking like a stone based on the ease of getting a NLD ticket this year (that said coronavirus has an impact too I'm sure)
dragon1
Lewis now watches every game , he finds Jose tactics and football eye bleeding

arnoldlayne said:
33 years of support - of which ENIC are nearly 20 years - they've managed to halve the number of trophies under Sugar - from 2 in about 9 years, to 1 in 20
With the exponenential growth in TV money, increasing crowds, with a London club and a reasonably strong history, I think many owners of vision could have done as well as or a lot better than ENIC or Sugar
dragon1
most spurs fans are fair -2-3 trophies a decade which was pretty par from 51-91 plus good football and we are happy the last 30 years under sugar and epic been way below that
if I gave you a list of players that wanted to join and levy messed up the deals you would sob, he did amazing with the stadium to get the nfl , banks and authorities on board but one swallow does not make a summer he has been a dreadful chairman, poch the messiah covered his shortcomings for 5 years but that ship has now sailed
 

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80deg16minW said:
This is staggering news. I always thought Levy's position was unassailable.
dragon1
an employee and minority shareholder, a 60 million f55k up then your credit from the stadium only lasts so long

OrlandoSPUR said:
Huh interesting always thought scholar was the reason we nearly went bust
dragon1
pains me to say it as I liked him a lot but he was, he totally took his eye off the plc which ran up huge debts with bobroff in charge and much as on the footballing side he was superb and ahead of his time you can't take your eyes completely off a plc you allowed to be created, he also allowed bobroff to switch the clubs bankers from Barclays who the club had always been with to midland bank and it was midland bank who threatened us with bankruptcy , Barclays would have been more understanding , scholar also should have forced the waddle purchase harder in the winter of 85, we had all those spare home games and the title should have been ours, Newcastle did not want to sell until the summer but we should have pushed harder, despite Stevens injury against united which was a huge turning point with waddle I think we may have won the title

80deg16minW said:
One perspective would be that Levy has wiped out all the great things Pochettino did for the club.
dragon1
we looked very pre poch last night

80deg16minW said:
I was thinking financially.
dragon1
Well there will be no cl next. Year and corporate seats at spurs are a fortune many will not Renew

80deg16minW said:
Why would they not renew? Anyomne who has a corporate seat will be loathe to give it up because at some point things will turn around.
dragon1
Those seats are £3-10k a pop it’s a lot of money to watch dier and winks and UEFA football

random said:
Joe Lewis sounds like the typical billionaire owner, expects everyone else to deliver but is completely oblivious to the reality on the ground.
So if he gets rid of Levy, who comes in next? It sounds like JL is the problem, just as replacing the manager never helps because Levy is such a problem in the transfer market.
dragon1
one thing many are not aware of that when they purchased the club lewis gave levy the option that if lewis invested more cash it would dilute levy shareholding, levy did everything over 19 years to avoid that obviously at the clubs expense on many occassions
I think levy owns 30% of Enic who own 85% of spurs , spurs have made Levy a rich man , jl was rich when he bought spurs levy was not

80deg16minW
That put's Levy at 25% ownership and 500 million at a 2 billion valuation.
So How did Levy acquire his shares? Earned equity or did he have to front the 25 million that would have been needed in the100 million purchase?
dragon1
Enics original outlay was only 40 million, 2-3 years later they forced a share rights issue which gave them real control of spurs

bellma said:
perhaps a separation of powers. DL to run the stadium side and an individual/team to run the football side .
dragon1
we are about to embark on one of the largest residential housing developments London has seen in decades only 8 miles from the West End
in my opinion they will dress it up that they need levy to run this and give him a fancy title to help him save face but I have every confidence he will not be involved in footballing decisions within 12-18 months

80deg16minW said:
Ah, so did Levy have to front up the 10 million?
dragon1
Nope joe wrote the check and levy ran spurs that was the deal
 

arnoldlayne

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A bit more also pertaining to Levy but also critical of Mourinho:

The 2019-20 JOSE MOURINHO Thread - Part #3: Please keep ALL posts about our manager in here
Posted Wednesday at 11:07 PM

dragon1
I never wanted him but after poch threw in the towel after yet another summer of levy shambles (this year’s deal f55k ups were coutino and Dybala) and with scum closing in on Jose levy felt they had to act and Jose duly pulled levy pants down
They need to decide whether to stick or twist after the wham game , unless they are going too back him and bring the Lyon guy in there is no point , Jose did not want a striker in jan as he had a player in mind for the summer , Jose did this at united where they got him everything he wanted and he was still useless
There is no point crying over spilt milk we need to boot Jose and pay him off , we are miles from a cl team right now, we need to bring sess, parrot, cirkin and tanganga through and try and attract some bright talent in the summer and rebuild with a modern young coach, Jose is way way past it

Dips
Surely that £15m salary has huge caveats and clauses, and the same goes for sacking him (not that I think we should be doing that). That's what The Athletic guys were saying anyway. Levy can't be dumb enough to give a straight £15m per year salary surely and with the massively long deal?
dragon1
its 14 million a year plus cl qualification bonuses on a 3.5-year deal

redcarded said:
Hope this kills off Levy’s totally undeserved rep as a master deal maker etc
dragon1
Said day he did it was his sugar / graham moment

lex luthor said:
D1, Did You perhaps mean the lille guy?
Regarding JM I agree the signs are worrying, both tactically and media handling wise. And that is said even considering that taking over mid-season isn't easy, and all of the many important injuries that we've had. However I doubt dl is about to sack him just now, if for nothing else then for financial reasons. We have to likely wait for the autumn for such a scenario to maybe happen. That is unless of course finishing out of the cl triggers some sort of sacking clause in DLs favor and that the two fall out.
Furthermore, worrying signs or not, it's harsh to write a manager off before he's had decent backing in a summer window (but will he get it? JM and levy seems an odd couple in this regard), and has had a full preseason too. In short to get out of this without tears relatively soon we might need both DL (squad building wise) and JM (tactically and media handling wise) to change their tendencies over the summer.
Will either man do that? I have my doubts....
Ultimately I think we likely went for the wrong Portuguese manager, but JM will likely get time to (hopefully) prove my fears wrong. Until October or November, I think he'll very likely be around.
dragon1
sorry it may be the Lille guy
Ive thought Jose was finished since Madrid, Chelsea were 14th when they fired him, he was horrific at united and I've not seen anything to change my mind , he had one tactic let Davies sit deep and aurrier Rome, there is zero pattern of play not one player has been coached or improved, threw tanguy under the bus and then threatening to throw one of the burnley or lepzig games he is poisonous

The Swellhead Spurs said:
I want him to do well and I think he will if he's fully backed
dragon1
United got him his full shopping list did nothing he is a busted flush
 

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bellma said:
perhaps a separation of powers. DL to run the stadium side and an individual/team to run the football side .
dragon1
we are about to embark on one of the largest residential housing developments London has seen in decades only 8 miles from the West End
in my opinion they will dress it up that they need levy to run this and give him a fancy title to help him save face but I have every confidence he will not be involved in footballing decisions within 12-18 months


80deg16minW said:
Ah, so did Levy have to front up the 10 million?
dragon1
Nope joe wrote the check and levy ran spurs that was the deal
This is music to my ears!!!!!!!!!
 
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