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[BringBack_leGin]

I think we are saying the same thing in different ways. My opinion now is that we have to win trophies thats what this club needs

I have since expanded my post, and I agree we need success but I also think our lack of trophies isn’t reflective of our quality this past decade.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

The trophy argument is a funny one because I can definitely think of good opportunities we’ve had that have been wasted by bad tactical or player mistakes.

- losing the league cup final to Blackburn under Graham when we were clearly the better side.
- Being beaten by Portsmouth in the FA cup semi final when we were far superior and would have then just had to beat Cardiff in the final.
- Being beaten by Chelsea in the FA Cup semi after dominating them but every shot of theirs went in and Poch made the weird decision of playing Son at wing back.
- Dominating Man U in a FA Cup semi only to lose focus in the second half and lose 2-1 from being 1-0 up.

In all these incidents we were the better side both on the day and in paper but lapses of concentration or tactical failings meant we didn’t win the trophy or progress to a final which would have given a good opportunity to win a trophy. Can these failings really be blamed on the ownership?

We lost to Blackburn under Hoddle .

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

We lost to Blackburn under Hoddle ☹.

Ah yes. Amended ?

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Top 6? This season yes. Over the last decade our average finish is 4th and that includes 6 top
4 finishes in ten years, two of which were 3rd and one of which is 2nd. In terms of league placement it’s been our best decade since the 60s, where average league placement was again 4th but of course we won the league so it was clearly a better stretch in the league just for that reason. The difference is that in those decades the team won trophies, and that we’ve not even won one in this last decade is unacceptable but with a team good enough to finish that consistently high we really should have. We’ve been close enough times:

18/19: CL final; league cup semi
17/18: FA cup semi
16/17: FA cup semi
11/12: FA cup semi
9/10: FA cup semi

We’ve also been quarter finalists across competitions three times, and were league cup finalists in the last season of the 08/09 season, but for the sake of a ten year sample size I don’t include those, but we’ve been consistently close to silverware and that we’ve not got over the line is shit, but also not reflective of our quality.

My point? That our team has actually, league finishes supported, been our best in the last decade barring the double season, and that the lack of trophies is not because of a lack of quality. There is obviously something lacking but the team has had the ability, both pre and post Pochettino.

Both with Poch’s and indeed Harry I personally felt we where 2-3 good players or maybe 1 extra special player from getting over the line. we never quite pushed the boat out and now we are like Arsenal but without the trophies to show for it.

This is why Spurs fan in general have always been annoyed with our transfers, it’s frustration.

 

[nailsy]

Profit over glory, simple as that.
I’ve supported this club for 30years and sure I get it we have a nice shiny stadium and training ground and we haven’t ‘done a Leeds‘... yet.
BUT off the field infrastructure only means so much, football is about what happens ON the pitch and for 20 years Levy has been hiring and firing managers with no feasible plan, he holds us back on squad management by holding onto players too long that we don’t need or the manager doesn’t want any more, and by insisting on bargain basement transfers with no proper plan to mould a squad to suit a style which the manager wants to build.

He‘s then gone and undone 5 years of amazing work that Poch did woth utter negligence in squad management and hiring a dianosaur who‘s football is putting us all to sleep. There is and has never been a successful plan for the FOOTBALL side of the club and now not only are we not successful but we’ve lost the one thing we’ve always had which was at least some mildly entertaining attacking football.

Never felt this Disallousioned about Spurs in my life, Jose is wrong, the squad needs an overhaul and I don’t trust Levy to sort either of those things out. Well have to keep putting up with joseball until we all fall asleep or switch to another sport.

Thanks for the stadium and training ground now please just FUCK OFF out of our club.

I don't really see how you can say there's been no plan for the football side when you can see how far we've progressed since they came in. Building the stadium was about profit, but it's also about generating the revenue so that we could pay top players top wages and so that we could afford the transfer fees to progress as a club. The problem is that ENIC have a long term plan and we as fans want success here and now. I know it's been twenty years since we've won anything, but we've had lots a chances to win something along the way and fallen just sort every time. And would winning an FA Cup or League Cup really change that much?

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

The trophy argument is a funny one because I can definitely think of good opportunities we’ve had that have been wasted by bad tactical or player mistakes.

- losing the league cup final to Blackburn under Hoddle when we were clearly the better side.
- Being beaten by Portsmouth in the FA cup semi final when we were far superior and would have then just had to beat Cardiff in the final.
- Being beaten by Chelsea in the FA Cup semi after dominating them but every shot of theirs went in and Poch made the weird decision of playing Son at wing back.
- Dominating Man U in a FA Cup semi only to lose focus in the second half and lose 2-1 from being 1-0 up.

In all these incidents we were the better side both on the day and in paper but lapses of concentration or tactical failings meant we didn’t win the trophy or progress to a final which would have given a good opportunity to win a trophy. Can these failings really be blamed on the ownership?

yes, they are the one constant. You look at why you haven’t been able to do it and you look to really Improve those positions/deficiencies in the team, I think we just make token gestures at it. I think that is why we don’t win anything because there is not a real desire to do so from the people in charge and that filters all the way down. CL money is the goal so of course we don’t win anything

 

[Deleted member 27995]

yes, they are the one constant. You look at why you haven’t been able to do it and you look to really Improve those positions/deficiencies in the team, I think we just make token gestures at it. I think that is why we don’t win anything because there is not a real desire to do so from the people in charge and that filters all the way down. CL is the goal so of course we don’t win anything

I don't disagree but we have made it two finals in the last five years and failed. We've had shots, footballing wise.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

For comparison I will show you another retro looking chart. This time of the 19 seasons before ENIC. SO we see a gradual downward trend with great inconsistency. Teams used to generally be more inconsistent I know, but the one season good, one season bad from the 80s is really something! But there is a clear downward decline here. No plan, no consistency just mess, even in the 80s. View attachment 70017

Like my heart rate thinking about how crap we’ve been this season

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

yes, they are the one constant. You look at why you haven’t been able to do it and you look to really Improve those positions/deficiencies in the team, I think we just make token gestures at it. I think that is why we don’t win anything because there is not a real desire to do so from the people in charge and that filters all the way down. CL money is the goal so of course we don’t win anything

lol. So when Son gave away that pen against Chelsea or we conceded those late goals to Portsmouth the players and managers were thinking ‘it’s alright lads we didn’t really want to win it was just a token gesture’?

Or is there a correlation between the vast majority of trophies being won by financially doped clubs or clubs much more wealthy than us?

 

[Matthew]

Banner confirmed for Sunday. While the sentiment is growing support in numbers I just feel like this kind of approach is the stuff of ridicule. Great for Amazon.

amazon probably paid for the banner

 

[For the love of Spurs]

yes, they are the one constant. You look at why you haven’t been able to do it and you look to really Improve those positions/deficiencies in the team, I think we just make token gestures at it. I think that is why we don’t win anything because there is not a real desire to do so from the people in charge and that filters all the way down. CL money is the goal so of course we don’t win anything

if as a club we won’t improve as much as we can the players we have then someone else will. Makes it even harder when other clubs have sugar daddies but that does excuse the way we have left holes in the team down the years.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

It will make our fans come across like a bunch of entitled c*nts. We’ve just enjoyed our most consistent period of high league finishes in the prem era and went to a champions league final. We now also have best stadium and training centre in the world. As well as one of the most highly decorated managers in world football In charge.

We have a dip for one season. A dip that each club in the top 6 has had at some point and fans want to cry about it like we have god given right never to have any kind of slump. It’s fucking embarrassing. Levy has made mistakes, like all chairman, but he’s got far more right than he has wrong. Most fans of other clubs bar 3-4 would love to be in our position. That banner will just make us look like a banter club.

Again, I couldn’t care less about how it might make our fans come across. Those of us who are proper fans have followed the club through thick and thin are fully aware that our constant failings on the pitch are due to ENIC/LEVY.

Yes the stadium and training ground are great, no-one is saying they’re not but football is not just about having a nice stadium and training ground it’s about winning ON the pitch, the way the football side of the club has been run is simply not good enough and so many of ENIC’s actions of the years have proved their n.o1 priority is making profit from owning us, it’s literally what their company stands for.

Trust me, this is not about ‘having a slump’ this is an accumulation of things over many years, the frustration has been building and now a large majority of Spurs fans are rightly angry at this and the lack of a clear strategy on the pitch and any care and regard for the fans.

You say he’s got far more right than he’s got wrong, sorry but he really hasn’t. And we’ve only had some consistent success over the past 10 years of so because other top clubs have been a mess, many of whom are now very strong again.

Apart from the training ground, stadium and hiring Poch (but not properly backing him), here are some things your glorified Lord Levy has got wrong just to spell it out for you:

•Hiring Hoddle
•Awful scouting and football set-up for many years
•Not investing enough in the team as net spend being £0 was priority n.o1
•When we did generally spend we royally messed it up because the scouting and football set-up is poor and Levy is too involved in it, here are a number of players we’ve spunked money on with no plan:
-Ndombele
-Sissoko
-Soldado
-Lamela
-Aurier
-Bent
-Janssen
-Paulinho
-Rebrov
-Njie
-Capoue
-Nkoudu
-Chriches
-Postiga
-Andy Reid
-Wimmer
-Giovanni Dos Santos
-Stambouli
-Rasiak

•We’ve heard from virtually all our managers that they very rarely get their top targets and this not just because we don’t pay the pages or aren’t an attractive enough club it’s because Levy is more concerned with ‘getting a deal’ and buying 3 Nike’s than one Mane.
•He pisses off many other clubs and chairmen and women to the point they don’t want to deal with us anymore, how can that be a healthy way to negotiate
•We buy shit players with no plan as to how they fit a system and then hold onto players far too long because levy wants ridiculous prices for them
•We time and again take far too long to get deals over the line which inveriably fall apart last minute for one of 100 excuses “oh we tried” and so we’ve started many a season with squad discontent and the manager not being able to have a proper pre season and plan and prepare properly
•His general actions have shown time and time again that he doesn’t care for the fans or staff at the club, he care about profit, this is not how I want my club to be run, this what is embarrassing!
-Furloighing staff to save a measly few £‘s when we had record profits (how do you think this would have effected the morale of our club staff?)
-Charging the highest ticket prices with one league cup in 20 years in return
-Self imposed transfer ban
-Taking 20 years to build a stadium that was late and way over budget
-Sacking Martin Jol mid game
-Multiple manager hire failures:
Hoddle, Santini (then got lucky with Jol who was an assistant manager who fell into the job and did very well), Ramos, AVB, Mouriniho (still early days sure but my god he’s sucked any joy out of the club and the football we see). So out of 8 managerial hires he’s got 5 badly wrong, he stumbled upon Jol then Sacked him mid game, he got Redknapp to rescue us and he did well hiring poch and then didn’t back him and now he’s made yet another horrible decision getting Jose in.
•When we had 2 title pushes he signed us Nelson & Saha and njje & Janssen.
•Listen to many ex player interviews and many of them say he’s hard to deal with

Ultimately football is about enjoyment and success and club culture ok. Whilst we are not the most successful club ever and sure times have changed during the PL, we had before levy took over won 8 FA cups, first side ever to do the double, first side to win a European trophy and have 2 or 3 if I’m not mistaken and have only not been in the top flight for one or mabye two periods in our entire history, we are no mugs. Our club was build on the Billy Nicks and Danny Blanchflowers and Dave Mckays, we have virtually always played entertaining football and we’ve done things the right way, Levy cares only about profit which has been to a detriment on the pitch and has held us back from winning things time and time again with no clear or successful plan for the football side of the business. Added to that he treats a lot of our managers and players like shit and has no regard for our fans with the prices and decisions he’s made.

And to top it all off, he fires our most loved and successful manager in recent times and replaces him with an Ex-Chelsea over the hill manager who plays the most dire horrible football many of us have ever witnessed. We might have a great new stadium and training ground but at what cost? ENIC/LEVY have taken the heart and soul of the club and supporting Spurs is predictable with the same rinse and repeat pattern under Levy and right now it’s just not enjoyable.

Thanks for the stadium and training ground and for the Poch years but it’s time now to sell up to owners who care about the fans and who want and have a plan for success ON the pitch.

COYS

 

[Matthew]

Anyone else think that this is going to make the club (fans not just ENIC) look like idiots?




Going to be a lot of Chavs, goons, spammers, etc laughing.

little update : they're already laughing. Along with the other 15 premier league clubs.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I don't really see how you can say there's been no plan for the football side when you can see how far we've progressed since they came in. Building the stadium was about profit, but it's also about generating the revenue so that we could pay top players top wages and so that we could afford the transfer fees to progress as a club. The problem is that ENIC have a long term plan and we as fans want success here and now. I know it's been twenty years since we've won anything, but we've had lots a chances to win something along the way and fallen just sort every time. And would winning an FA Cup or League Cup really change that much?

Sorry mate I’m tired of explaining it but see my last post or see the thread “is there a way back now” to understand why there is no plan on the football side. Or just read any of Gards and other good ITK’s opinions on this, people who know football well and are close to what goes on behind the scenes know exactly why Levy holds us back on the football side.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

[/QUOTE]

lol. So when Son gave away that pen against Chelsea or we conceded those late goals to Portsmouth the players and managers were thinking ‘it’s alright lads we didn’t really want to win it was just a token gesture’?

Or is there a correlation between the vast majority of trophies being financially doped or much more wealthy than us?

We could win the odd trophy every decade maybe if we’re lucky but it will never be anything more than that under ENIC. If the manager gets told top four is the ambition and that’s what we’ll invest towards then what do you expect? Do you not believe in psychology in sport?

 

[DiVaio]

•Not investing enough in the team as net spend being £0 was priority n.o1
•When we did generally spend we royally messed it up because the scouting and football set-up is poor and Levy is too involved in it, here are a number of players we’ve spunked money on with no plan:
-Ndombele
-Sissoko
-Soldado
-Lamela
-Aurier
-Bent
-Janssen
-Paulinho
-Rebrov
-Njie
-Capoue
-Nkoudu
-Chriches
-Postiga
-Andy Reid
-Wimmer
-Giovanni Dos Santos
-Stambouli
-Rasiak

Yesterday I showed the statistic that net spend is 6 highest in this country since ENIC Came.
Every club in the world has the players that didn't work.
Listing players like Ndombele, Lamela, Wimmer here is laughable, really.

•He pisses off many other clubs and chairmen and women to the point they don’t want to deal with us anymore, how can that be a healthy way to negotiate

Really? That healthy way to negotiate makes that we doesn't overspend on them and we buy in reasonable price. Which clubs doesn't want to deal with us anymore? Aulas as he said Levy was the toughest negotiator in 2012 but he made the deal for Ndombele? I think I read somewhere that United aren't trying to buy Kane because Levy, so bad for us.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

little update : they're already laughing. Along with the other 15 premier league clubs.

who gives a fuck.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

who gives a fuck.

Yeah we’re acting like the bullied kid who doesn’t want to draw attention to himself so keeps quiet in the corner hoping the bigger kids don’t notice. Who gives a fuck, puff your chest out. if you’re not happy with the motives of ENIC why can’t you express it. Not buying tickets would hurt more though.

If Levy is as good a chairman as some say, he’ll brush this off and won’t mind people expressing their feelings. My feeling is I don’t think this is about lack of success/trophies, it’s about the intent of their ownership.

 

[yankspurs]

little update : they're already laughing. Along with the other 15 premier league clubs.

Little update to yours: They’ve been laughing at us this season

 

[Dougal]

amazon probably paid for the banner

‘Alexa, create a shitstorm’