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That's 278 minutes less for someone else keeping them more fresh for the end of the season, also precaution in case of injuries.
Yes, 278 minutes really makes all the difference.. It's good we have Ryan sessegnon you know, his 300+ minutes have really helped to keep the team fresh.. Come off it, those signings simply were not short term effective ones.

We all still talk about Daniel Iversen and Amartey helping Leicester to the Championship, and now they are clearly pulling up trees as we all know!
 

SecretLemonadeDrinker

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If the past is anything to by they will prioritize servicing debts and financing less risky projects that can expand our income base. I will be very surprised if they start prioritizing the team, other than look to get us back into CL to keep that income source but to see us go for the title with high end premium targeted purchases is a pipe dream. I hope you’re right mate but we‘ve been hearing the future’s bright for 20 years now... be nice to get there at some point...

I agree with much of what you said earlier about Levy failing to grasp opportunity when it presented itself. Had he been braver, we would undoubtedly have greatly increased our chances of winning serious silverware.

But I would be wary of making too many assumptions about the future based on the past. Largely because circumstances in the future are unlikely to be exactly the same as they were in the past. Levy didn't arbitrarily make the decision not to invest (to the required level) at crucial moments. He made the decision because, rightly or wrongly, he didn't feel that the club could afford it and because he gambled that Poch (or Harry, previously) would be able to deliver regardless. Bad call, obviously.

But if we get into a similar position again, and if Levy does feel that the club can afford it, I see no reason why he wouldn't invest. This past year, after all, we spent big. Fat lot of good it did us, as it turned out, given the mistakes that both he and Poch had made over the previous 18 months. But there's no denying that we spent big. And we cannot yet say that that is any less a valid indicator of the future than 2018, when we spent nothing.
 

SecretLemonadeDrinker

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More profit maybe - but less more attractive to buy because there is less growth to achieve... Im not an investor but if there is not much room to grow then an investor wouldnt buy the club.

Im sure someone will perhaps call me stupid (and youre a **** whoever it is ;)) but why would Levy and Enic want us to be successful? They want the infrastructure to be successful and maybe a cup thats about it...

- Buyers buy for all sorts of reasons. Room for growth is only one.

- You ask "why would Levy want (Spurs) to be successful". Genuinely, I don't know how to respond other than to say...............why would he not want Spurs to be successful?
 

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- Buyers buy for all sorts of reasons. Room for growth is only one.

- You ask "why would Levy want (Spurs) to be successful". Genuinely, I don't know how to respond other than to say...............why would he not want Spurs to be successful?

Poorly worded from me - i mean maximise growth through success in particular... then again, and there are a number of posts here that allude to this, we have been on the cusp of success i.e. trophies and league which you cant necessarily blame Levy for but we just fallen short...

Its that 'fallen short' part that I dont think Levy and Enic would be hell bent on correcting or changign his ways for.

I see so many similiarities between Spurs and Liverpool (although they are significantly bigger than us). FSG owners of Liverpool are im sure also the same as Enic, they are in it for the money and growth through reinvesting and growing with what they make and have been hugely successful particularly with Klopp. The difference between FSG and Enic is Levy where i think that last hurdle, FSG backed Klopp, Enic and Levy have failed. Why have they failed? Levy is not stupid.
 

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Poorly worded from me - i mean maximise growth through success in particular... then again, and there are a number of posts here that allude to this, we have been on the cusp of success i.e. trophies and league which you cant necessarily blame Levy for but we just fallen short...

Its that 'fallen short' part that I dont think Levy and Enic would be hell bent on correcting or changign his ways for.

I see so many similiarities between Spurs and Liverpool (although they are significantly bigger than us). FSG owners of Liverpool are im sure also the same as Enic, they are in it for the money and growth through reinvesting and growing with what they make and have been hugely successful particularly with Klopp. The difference between FSG and Enic is Levy where i think that last hurdle, FSG backed Klopp, Enic and Levy have failed. Why have they failed? Levy is not stupid.

My take on it is that Poch was an unexpected success and he put Levy so far ahead of his plans on the pitch that Levy was seeing dollar signs in front of his face and thought he could penny pinch because we had a squad that made the CL Finals. Even though he didnt refresh the squad for a bloody year. We failed to replace Wanyama and Trippier. He failed to listen to Poch who said we needed a rebuild (which was obvious, our football was shite everywhere else but the champions league and we got by on pure heart and soul football, a Poch special), Levy thought he knew better than the coach about the team, sacked Poch and now we're in 10th with Jose as a manager hoping not to get embarrassed by Arsenal of all people on the weekend.
 

cliff jones

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And do you really believe in what he said? He was in our transfer commitee and had a final say. He said that the same as he said that we needed rebuild - so know our fans thinks he shouldn't go because he KNEW, not that he shouldn't try that rebuild harder.

you should put the shovel down now. Although with a dozen pages still to skim read I doubt you’ve managed that.
 

cliff jones

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the buck stops. This latest managerial appointment was akin to AVBs. A man on the downslope, found out, but still somehow trusted to transform our fortunes quickly.

prolonged underfunding of the playing side compared to more ambitious clubs has left us needing nearly half a new team to get back into the mix, which should be made up of say three signings and two academy grads.

Or maybe the quality is already there but his manager can’t use or develop it to proper advantage.

either way the buck stops with the recipient of the largest salary for a person in his position in the world.
 

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I agree with much of what you said earlier about Levy failing to grasp opportunity when it presented itself. Had he been braver, we would undoubtedly have greatly increased our chances of winning serious silverware.

But I would be wary of making too many assumptions about the future based on the past. Largely because circumstances in the future are unlikely to be exactly the same as they were in the past. Levy didn't arbitrarily make the decision not to invest (to the required level) at crucial moments. He made the decision because, rightly or wrongly, he didn't feel that the club could afford it and because he gambled that Poch (or Harry, previously) would be able to deliver regardless. Bad call, obviously.

But if we get into a similar position again, and if Levy does feel that the club can afford it, I see no reason why he wouldn't invest. This past year, after all, we spent big. Fat lot of good it did us, as it turned out, given the mistakes that both he and Poch had made over the previous 18 months. But there's no denying that we spent big. And we cannot yet say that that is any less a valid indicator of the future than 2018, when we spent nothing.
Your first couple of paragraphs largley nailed it, failing to give us the best chance at winning silverware, fair play for acknowledging that.

But I remain skeptical on the rest, yes we spent quite big last summer, Ndombele was impressive but factoring in CL finalists, 1st full season at new stadium, the famous summer of 18 I suspect even his biggest fans would have had doubts without a marquee signing. Then there were still a lot of signs of the old Levy, dragging Lo Celso out to the last minute, signing a couple of non priority young lads, time to get your money back on them worst case. Kane out in January, we badly needed a backup but nothing, so for me the early signs still aren’t great, hope you’re right though!
 

stonebrow

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the buck stops. This latest managerial appointment was akin to AVBs. A man on the downslope, found out, but still somehow trusted to transform our fortunes quickly.

prolonged underfunding of the playing side compared to more ambitious clubs has left us needing nearly half a new team to get back into the mix, which should be made up of say three signings and two academy grads.

Or maybe the quality is already there but his manager can’t use or develop it to proper advantage.

either way the buck stops with the recipient of the largest salary for a person in his position in the world.
I dont think this part can be compared to Jose. I agree something isn't right but you dont just get found out after 20+ years in management with 20+ trophies on your CV.
 

BuckeyeSpurs11

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My Take on ENIC & Levy :

ENIC are not the worst owners in PL or in football league. But its undeniable fact that footballing wise their record with Spurs is pathetic.
I cannot see any scenario where ENIC/Levy are going to sell, especially when we are on a downward trend. Investors/Promoter never sell off on a downturn, unless its existential crisis.

So, I dont expect ENIC & Levy to sell and go anytime soon. So, to me its pointless to protest 'ENIC OUT' at this stage.

Having said that, what we should protest is, to get Levy out of making football and transfer decisions. He is unfit to make that choice and negotiations. Protest should be for getting a DoF and Levy to commit to not come anywhere near footballing decisions.

Their football record with Spurs is pathetic? They took a club closer to relegation than Champions League and has us in a place where we have legitimately competed twice for the title in the last 5 years and nearly won the Champions League. You can argue and I’d agree that Levy‘s control over transfers and playing staff is holding us back from titles and long term, sustained success but to say that the footballing side has gotten worse since They took over is just false.
 

Shadydan

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That would make sense if I wasn't a fan of levy... But I see his faults.

Also yes it's called strategy... You buy something to sell it later... You don't just go full throttle. I may well be incorrect and that's fine... No one fucking knows... But for an investment company to maximise growth of an asset... It can become unsellable...

You're arguing as if im talking about Levy, but in essence I'm talking about Enic. Who are an investment company.

Hires a manager who has won more trophies in the club's entire history, makes him the 2nd highest paid manager in the league and their strategy is to limit success to maximise profit?

See ya

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Metalhead

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the buck stops. This latest managerial appointment was akin to AVBs. A man on the downslope, found out, but still somehow trusted to transform our fortunes quickly.

prolonged underfunding of the playing side compared to more ambitious clubs has left us needing nearly half a new team to get back into the mix, which should be made up of say three signings and two academy grads.

Or maybe the quality is already there but his manager can’t use or develop it to proper advantage.

either way the buck stops with the recipient of the largest salary for a person in his position in the world.
TBF to DL, AVB was still relatively fresh in management and did very well indeed at Porto and it was easy to see that he didn't stand a chance at Chelsea, having been undermined by the players. I can see why DL took a punt on him.
 

ebzrascal

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Like so many times before Levy passed on Bruno Fernandes one of the best midfielders in the europe by playing hardball over a difference of £5-£10 million on the valuation . At the time we had Eriksen who had downed tools and this was a natural replacement a creator and scorer of goals and also a leader. This mistake is likely to cost the club over £100 million in revenue, it cost the club a manager who needed backing. It has stalled Tottenham Hotspur brand which was taking off and value the for naming rights and future commercial deals will be severely impacted. Levy has a massive question to ask himself does he change course and try to rescue this or does he watch the club return to mid table mediocrity. If Enic do not have the money they should sell the club and collect the profit because this will be the height of the clubs valuation.
 
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Nah, if you put Poch in there and appoint a canny DOF you could be competitive for much less, IMO.
Would that be the same Pochettino that publicly moaned about having a DoF in almost every press-facing opportunity until he didn't have one? Can't see that happening.

I would agree that he would be far more effective in that mould, but he has no self-awareness when it comes to his transfer nouse (lack thereof). History is littered with 'managers' who would have benefitted greatly from delegating those responsibilities, but never did.
 

nailsy

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You know what? I think if Levy had given the club a push when we needed it (and we all know when that was) I actually think the slippery **** would still enjoy the over the top adulation he has always been given.

I'm not as fussed about winning things although that would obviously be nice, but when you feel there's no ambition for the club on the pitch, then that robs us of one of the most exciting aspects a fan feels going into a new season. Hope.

Look at the state we're in. I mean us fans. Anyone excited about the prospect of our next game? Next season? How you feeling about the club right now? Just how sick do you feel about what might have been and where we're heading.

Look at us, look at where our dear leader has led us.

Fuck him. Fuck him with the biggest courgette you can find. And then ram a cactus up his japs. Some fucking leader he is.

Gertcha

For me it's the billionaire owners at other clubs that have robbed me of hope rather than our current owners. We're playing in a rigged competition and that's not going to change any time soon.
And personally I think it's incredible that we went into a new season thinking that we might have a chance of winning the League. That's probably happened once/twice in my lifetime and they've both been in the last ten years.

Do I want Levy/ENIC to stay? I don't really care either way. I can see that they've had a plan to make us more profit which should mean that we stay competitive, but we're currently floundering. Who knows what will happen next season and beyond. Being taken over by mega rich owners who will invest heavily on the team sounds great, but if it means being owned by the likes of the people behind the Newcastle takeover I'd rather stay as we are now.
 

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I haven't kept tabs on all of the naming rights stuff so there may well be a good reason for it, but i'm surprised that hasn't been sorted out yet. Is there a reason why this hasn't been done yet?
 

ebzrascal

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Hires a manager who has won more trophies in the club's entire history, makes him the 2nd highest paid manager in the league and their strategy is to limit success to maximise profit?

See ya

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what is the point of hiring Mouriniho if you do not have the budget to back him?? If
poch had to go show some creative thinking and get a manager who can coach players and develop attacking football with younger players.
All my Man United friends tell me Rui Faria was the tactics man and had been at his side since the beginning..
 

ebzrascal

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For me it's the billionaire owners at other clubs that have robbed me of hope rather than our current owners. We're playing in a rigged competition and that's not going to change any time soon.
And personally I think it's incredible that we went into a new season thinking that we might have a chance of winning the League. That's probably happened once/twice in my lifetime and they've both been in the last ten years.

Do I want Levy/ENIC to stay? I don't really care either way. I can see that they've had a plan to make us more profit which should mean that we stay competitive, but we're currently floundering. Who knows what will happen next season and beyond. Being taken over by mega rich owners who will invest heavily on the team sounds great, but if it means being owned by the likes of the people behind the Newcastle takeover I'd rather stay as we are now.

Liverpool and Leicester owners have similar wealth to the Tottenham owners... the issue is not level of their wealth but the business model and attitude to wanting to win things. The tottenham owners put money before glory and they need to leave before this gets toxic
 
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