Klopp and Guardiola tactical frameworks - and the outlook for next season

[jolsnogross]

Interesting article by Jonathon Wilson on the tactical frameworks that hecreckons led to Liverpool's title and the outlook for next season's rivalry at the top.

In The Guardian

We don't feature, other than probably fitting a category that might be summed up as:

"Even by 2010, it had become apparent there were two ways to take on Barça. Opponents either sat deep, went into the bunker and tried to restrict the number and quality of chances Barça had (as Internazionale and Chelsea did in the 2010 and 2012 Champions League semi-finals); or they pressed high and tried to disrupt Barça’s possession at source.

It is a high-risk approach but it is also the one Klopp saw as being at least to an extent controllable. As he has said, sitting deep against a Guardiola side is essentially hoping to win a lottery in that it accepts them having a (significantly) greater number of chances and relies on them failing to take advantage"

Leicester's title was that lottery win. I don't see a low block/bus parking approach getting anyone to the top table.

 

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Interesting article by Jonathon Wilson on the tactical frameworks that hecreckons led to Liverpool's title and the outlook for next season's rivalry at the top.

In The Guardian

We don't feature, other than probably fitting a category that might be summed up as:

"Even by 2010, it had become apparent there were two ways to take on Barça. Opponents either sat deep, went into the bunker and tried to restrict the number and quality of chances Barça had (as Internazionale and Chelsea did in the 2010 and 2012 Champions League semi-finals); or they pressed high and tried to disrupt Barça’s possession at source.

It is a high-risk approach but it is also the one Klopp saw as being at least to an extent controllable. As he has said, sitting deep against a Guardiola side is essentially hoping to win a lottery in that it accepts them having a (significantly) greater number of chances and relies on them failing to take advantage"

Leicester's title was that lottery win. I don't see a low block/bus parking approach getting anyone to the top table.

Unless you beat City playing that way and win 2-0?

Luck plays a part most things, you make it though, as pointed out by many this season when it comes to Liverpool. Not all of their results this season have been on the back of free flowing, slice them up football. They've had to grind out wins against a few teams and their form before lock down wasn't much.

Klopp may have had success against them playing that way, but we also tried that way with varying degrees of success and failure under Poch.

 

[jolsnogross]

Liverpool's style is fixed; their form, like that of any other side, is variable. But even when their form ebbs, they can grind out a result more often than not. 97 points last year and 1 loss this season so far. Hopefully that level of consistency won't continue. But their approach is fundamental to their success. A bus parking effort against them doesn't get you very far.

Their style and City's aren't that different, which I think the article alludes to. It's incredibly aggressive in terms of having the ball or winning it back early. I reckon we can "win the lottery" in the odd game against top sides, like the 2-0 against City. But over the course of a season it's not going to have us on or near their level.