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Match Threads Leyton Orient vs Spurs - 3rd Round Carabao Cup

Match Prediction

  • Spurs will progress to 4th the Round

    Votes: 148 98.0%
  • Spurs will not progress to the 4th Round

    Votes: 3 2.0%

  • Total voters
    151

TheCheeseRoom

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Not to be all doom and gloom but I struggle to see how lower league clubs survive this, makes Harry's gesture even more poignant.
 

sly1

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"Shrewd investment by Spurs" that is exactly the suggestion.

Not really. It would have been fairly disastrous, both in sporting terms and potentially in terms of health, if several of our players had contracted the virus playing against Leyton Orient. The fact that several of their players have now tested positive shows that paying for those tests has potentially mitigated a huge problem for us.
 
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amathews3416

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I am sure those Orient players and staff are grateful they got tested so they can take steps to not spread to high risk family members.

In the States, many pro sports teams are now using rapid testing where results are immediate. Some leagues are requiring this daily. Seems crazy to think these lower leagues are not doing more testing.
 

easley91

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Not really. It would have been fairly disastrous, both in sporting terms and potentially in terms of health, if several of our players had contracted the virus playing against Leyton Orient. The fact that several of their players have now tested positive shows that paying for those tests has potentially mitiaged a huge problem for us.
And having that test done has also potentially avoided the spread to the next club they play in the league. Without testing it could run rampant through the league easily.
 

easley91

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FYI they played Mansfield on Saturday and Mansfield do not have a cup game at all. Without us paying for that testing, this could have been so much worse.
 

Laboog

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Sucks for Leyton but they have to forfeit, right? There just isn't any time to makeup a game.
 

philll

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FYI they played Mansfield on Saturday and Mansfield do not have a cup game at all. Without us paying for that testing, this could have been so much worse.
These positives didn't come out of nowhere, I expect if they tested throughout the league they'd find dozens (maybe hundreds) more existing cases.
 

nikosramone

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That's a bummer. Was really up for this game.

Good thing to know the club are taking things seriously and getting opposing teams tested, though.
 

hellava_tough

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So is the issue that their ground is potentially contaminated, or that they don't have 11 to 14 players who could play?

Or both?

It's not ideal for them to have their first team players absent, but you'd have thought they could at least field a squad who have tested negative and make some tv money.
 

easley91

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These positives didn't come out of nowhere, I expect if they tested throughout the league they'd find dozens (maybe hundreds) more existing cases.
Yes I know that. I suspect they will trace it back. But had we not tested Orient, they would play us then at the weekend. It's easily spreadable.
 

easley91

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So is the issue that their ground is potentially contaminated, or that they don't have 11 to 14 players who could play?

Or both?

It's not ideal for them to have their first team players absent, but you'd have thought they could at least field a squad who have tested negative and make some tv money.
I believe it's both. The training ground as well. With everyone that has been at one or the other they can't have enough players to field surely?
 

Saoirse

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Will be interesting to see the decision. In theory they could postpone both this and the Round 4 tie affected until after the international break. Play Orient-Tottenham on a different Tuesday before a Thursday Europa, and then the Round 4 tie assuming it's Spurs-Chelsea could go for a Monday night after both play a Saturday PL game in a midweek where Chelsea don't play CL till Wednesday. That for me would be preferable to a forfeit in terms of sporting integrity and fairness to Orient.
 

St José Dominguez

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Surely they’d just have to play the players who tested negatively? Otherwise you’re opening a can of worms of what’s to come, say we had 4 positive tests in November, teams can’t be forfeiting games constantly.
 

hellava_tough

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I believe it's both. The training ground as well. With everyone that has been at one or the other they can't have enough players to field surely?

Thanks.

Does anyone else think that this season could turn into a dog's dinner, with all these disruptions?

May get some crazy results and league finishes along the way.
 

WalkerboyUK

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Surely they’d just have to play the players who tested negatively? Otherwise you’re opening a can of worms of what’s to come, say we had 4 positive tests in November, teams can’t be forfeiting games constantly.

Tested negative, but been in contact with someone who tested positive.
For Joe Public, that's a 7-10 day isolation to check no symptoms.
Just because they tested negative on the day the others tested positive, it doesn't mean it hasn't been passed on to them, just that it hasn't manifested itself yet.
 

wayneg

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Surely they’d just have to play the players who tested negatively? Otherwise you’re opening a can of worms of what’s to come, say we had 4 positive tests in November, teams can’t be forfeiting games constantly.


I dont think its as simple as that - as the official advice is if you have come into contact with someone who tests positive you have to self isolate. Added to the fact that some of the negative tests may not show positive for a few days after the initial contact.

I can not see how its possible for this game to go ahead. Different sport but on Sunday Leicester v Castres (Rugby) - challenge cup 1/4 final was called off due to three Castres players testing positive - Leicester awarded game. Even with football during Europa/Champions league qualification some games cancelled due to one team having covid cases, match postponed and awarded to other team.
 

JayB

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Tested negative, but been in contact with someone who tested positive.
For Joe Public, that's a 7-10 day isolation to check no symptoms.
Just because they tested negative on the day the others tested positive, it doesn't mean it hasn't been passed on to them, just that it hasn't manifested itself yet.
Totally agree. With the incubation period lasting up to two weeks, it's entirely within the realm of possibility that some of those testing negative on Saturday could well be contagious by Tuesday. It sounds as though there's been a widespread outbreak at the club, so it's highly likely that many of the players have been exposed.

The only way to move forward safely is if the clubs had access to rapid testing which produces results within hours, thereby enabling all of the players to know their status on gameday, not merely 72 hours before the game. I believe that certain sports leagues in the U.S. are putting that model in place, but I don't know if there's anything of that nature happening in British football. Given that the tests were administered on Saturday I suspect not.
 

Guernman

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Surely they’d just have to play the players who tested negatively? Otherwise you’re opening a can of worms of what’s to come, say we had 4 positive tests in November, teams can’t be forfeiting games constantly.
I wouldn't think so, the virus will need some time to incubate before it will show on a test. Anyone who has been in close contact with their positive tested players will need to isolate and get tested again in a few days. There is no way we could risk playing them now.

If PL clubs get covid in their first teams the season will quickly hit a brick wall, that is why the measures are so strict. Thank goodness Leyton agreed to the testing and we insisted on it.
 

Marty

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Surely they’d just have to play the players who tested negatively? Otherwise you’re opening a can of worms of what’s to come, say we had 4 positive tests in November, teams can’t be forfeiting games constantly.
It's very different for a lower league football club that hasn't done regular testing than it is for a PL club who tests several times a week. You can be fairly sure e.g. Gundogan now is an isolated incident, but as said above more Orient players might be in an early stage of incubation that doesn't show up on the test ... yet.
 
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