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Match Threads Leyton Orient vs Spurs - 3rd Round Carabao Cup

Match Prediction

  • Spurs will progress to 4th the Round

    Votes: 148 98.0%
  • Spurs will not progress to the 4th Round

    Votes: 3 2.0%

  • Total voters
    151

Trotter

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Failing that, they could arrange with Sky/BT to ensure that immediately following one of the international breaks, Tottenham and Chelsea are both playing on the Saturday. You could then have Spurs-Chelsea on the Monday night before Chelsea play the Champions League on Wednesday.

Chelsea would object to that. 3 day rule for Champions League. There is possiibility though that could be played before one of the 3 game International breaks, as the first of those is a friendly (e.g. England v Wales) if clubs can arrange late International call-ups

If nothing else this has exposed a glaring hole in testing. You can bet other teams are sorting out testing for their opposition later in the week. Lincoln v Liverpool etc.

Don’t even know if lower league teams are obliged to accept testing!? Why would they if they could potentially lose out on tv revenue. The hole thing is a shambles.

It is understood Aston Villa (v Bristol City), Fulham (v Sheffield Wednesday), Burnley (v Millwall), Newcastle (v Morecambe) and Manchester United (v Luton) were happy to follow EFL protocols and will not test their opposition. Brentford turned down West Brom's offer to have their squad tested.
 

Saoirse

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Chelsea would object to that. 3 day rule for Champions League. There is possiibility though that could be played before the 3 game International break, as the first of those is a friendly (e.g. England v Wales) if clubs


It is understood Aston Villa (v Bristol City), Fulham (v Sheffield Wednesday), Burnley (v Millwall), Newcastle (v Morecambe) and Manchester United (v Luton) were happy to follow EFL protocols and will not test their opposition. Brentford turned down West Brom's offer to have their squad tested.
Same rule for the Europa though generally and it's had to be done as two days because it's the only way games fit.

The other option is that we could play Chelsea on the 5th Round's slot on the 22nd of December, with the fifth round tie then becoming Christmas Eve special before we return to action on Boxing Day,
 

philll

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Pretty certain that the guidelines didn't tell them to ignore the sound bout of illness during a pandemic, play anyway, and not bother with any testing of this whatsoever until someone else coughed up the money for it.
Agree. Lots of us have a soft spot for Orient but they've handled this terribly badly. They had a load of players with "a bug" but didn't put 2 and 2 together - either through naivety or willingly because they didn't want to have to forfeit matches - to get even a few of them tested and now they've got 18 (depending on who you believe) positive cases throughout their team and fuck knows who they've passed it to in their past few matches. He also said they were always going to get their players tested before tonight's match but... they didn't. They needed us to step in and do it for them. And he's saying they did the right thing.

If I was a Premier League or Championship team up against League 1 or 2 opposition in this round of fixtures I'd be incredibly nervous if they hadn't been tested. It's highly unlikely that all of these Orient positives are isolated to just that club, the whole league should be tested tbh.
 

Goldman

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The bit about talks ongoing about the implications tells me there is disagreement between the clubs. If that disagreement is based on us highlighting that neither us nor Chelsea (in the event they beat Barnsley) have no flexibility in our schedules then I think that leans towards one team forfeiting. But there’s a lot of talk amongst Orient fans that they had a team ready to play tonight so who forfeits may come down to who made the decision not to play tonight - was it us due to reservations or was it the authorities?
Rumours are they were shut down by the relevant authorities from a safety perspective.
 

wrd

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Why the fuck are england playing Wales in a friendly!? who in their right mind decided we needed to pack another pointless game into this schedule. It's absolutely ridiculous. How could the planners not foresee that during a global pandemic some margin might be a good fucking idea. Absolutely pack of complete ****s.
 

JayB

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It is completely fucking insane to me that the Football League clubs have the discretion to forego testing. The Orient chairman does have a point that if they have to forfeit and testing remains discretionary then all Football League clubs will have a strong incentive to turn down the option moving forward. The obvious solution is to make testing mandatory for this competition.

It could be cataclysmic if a team in Europe comes up against some EFL side which refuses testing and infects half their players, leading to the club having to forfeit matches in the EL or CL. There's no fucking reason that should even be possible.
 

tommo84

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Aug 15, 2005
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Rumours are they were shut down by the relevant authorities from a safety perspective.

That’s certainly what everyone anticipated happening once the news broke yesterday morning. If that’s the case then we should be following the rules and Orient should forfeit.

The EFL need to consider what they would want to do if this happened in a later round - because chances are it’s going to happen in a later round and this instance will be used as precedent.
 

spursfast

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That’s certainly what everyone anticipated happening once the news broke yesterday morning. If that’s the case then we should be following the rules and Orient should forfeit.

The EFL need to consider what they would want to do if this happened in a later round - because chances are it’s going to happen in a later round and this instance will be used as precedent.
"...used as precedent, that's why they won't just forfeit amongst other issues
 

nailsy

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Jul 24, 2005
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Pretty certain that the guidelines didn't tell them to ignore the sudden bout of illness during a pandemic, play anyway, and not bother with any testing of this whatsoever until someone else coughed up the money for it.

What symptoms of Covid did they have?
 

Thewobbler

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Fuck em, force em to forfeit. Sounds like they're willing to risk other clubs safety just for theirs.

Surely we go through, if the next round is next week. Read on twitter that we are going to pay them for what they will miss out on.
 

SonicSarr

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Chelsea would object to that. 3 day rule for Champions League. There is possiibility though that could be played before one of the 3 game International breaks, as the first of those is a friendly (e.g. England v Wales) if clubs can arrange late International call-ups



It is understood Aston Villa (v Bristol City), Fulham (v Sheffield Wednesday), Burnley (v Millwall), Newcastle (v Morecambe) and Manchester United (v Luton) were happy to follow EFL protocols and will not test their opposition. Brentford turned down West Brom's offer to have their squad tested.

This season may well descend into mayhem. Imagine if a ton of fixtures have to be cancelled and teams have to lockdown for 2 weeks at a time?
 

mil1lion

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May 7, 2004
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Everyone seems to assume it will be Chelsea but its not certain. Come on Barnsley!
 

glacierSpurs

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Surely we go through, if the next round is next week. Read on twitter that we are going to pay them for what they will miss out on.
So weird - we paid for their testing, now we pay for their loss. The onus is on them in the first place isn't it?
 

mil1lion

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This season may well descend into mayhem. Imagine if a ton of fixtures have to be cancelled and teams have to lockdown for 2 weeks at a time?
I can't see that happening in the Premier league with the amount of testing. If anything it shows that the testing works and we stopped Leyton Orient going into their next league game and infecting their next opponents. It's a good job they faced a Premier league team who financed their tests in time. It just sucks for their last opponents too. The lower league teams are the most at risk and the lack / cost of testing means they'll continue to risk games without being tested. No football or other sport should take place without testing.
 

peterballb

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And what exactly are the EFL protocols? All available tests have false negatives and positives. Testing on a daily basis (as is done in the PL) mitigates that. As health experts agree most transmission of covid is asymptomatic, one would not know they were compromised until it was too late. I assume the tests are not inexpensive. PL clubs, no worries and the financial costs of having widespread infection, would be severe, so they are on top of it. League Two does not require testing. As they do not have the financial wherewithal that PL teams do, they are thus not proactively testing. They are looking to gain promotion. Having players self-isolating along with all those that have been in contact with them is not in their best interest unless other teams are also required to do so. They'll happily roll the dice. Lowest common denominator.

EFL should be testing all players and staff every day to protect the players, staff, family, opposition and community at large. The players are not in a bubble, so testing is the only way to know what is going on. The NHL and NBA playoffs have been done in bubbles. Incredibly strict which is why it is safe. Spurs were in Bulgaria last week. This week Macedonia. That all increases risk.

I suppose if Villa, Fulham, Burnley, United, Newcastle, West Brom all develop issues, perhaps the EFL will be forced to do the right thing by all of their member parties. In this case, they are not even looking after the PL teams.
 

Wsussexspur

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Why the fuck are england playing Wales in a friendly!? who in their right mind decided we needed to pack another pointless game into this schedule. It's absolutely ridiculous. How could the planners not foresee that during a global pandemic some margin might be a good fucking idea. Absolutely pack of complete ****s.

worse still is the England v New Zealand friendlyin November! Complete Waste of fing time!
 

luRRka

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What symptoms of Covid did they have?
Does it matter whether they had specific symptoms or not? If the majority of the team has "a bug" during a global pandemic, would you not stop and think maybe they should get tested. Especially as there are a vast number of symptoms.
 
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