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Luis Suárez to miss Man City, Tottenham and Everton games

teok

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I couldn't give a flying toss what Liverpool's PR campaign is. I think for myself. You might try reading what I said again and look for the bit where I condone his actions. You won't find it.

Well you are saying exactly the same thing as the liverpool PR campaign was. Loving your family is a default. Loads of terrible people love their families.

Not only does he do all these shitty things but he refuses to take responsibility and flat out lies about them and blames other people.

Remember he actually refused to shake evra's hand after he was the one that racially abused him. What a stand up nice guy.
 

fatpiranha

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He should be prosecuted for common assault. A month in a Brazilian jail would teach him a far better lesson than any ban.
 

Indisguise

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Well you are saying exactly the same thing as the liverpool PR campaign was. Loving your family is a default. Loads of terrible people love their families.

Not only does he do all these shitty things but he refuses to take responsibility and flat out lies about them and blames other people.

Remember he actually refused to shake evra's hand after he was the one that racially abused him. What a stand up nice guy.
You know, I could say much the same thing about you from a different perspective. You've swallowed the hate campaign and are perpetuating the hate rather than coming up with an alternative solution for dealing with the problem that isn't itself based on hate.

I have no problem with Suarez being prosecuted for biting or racism. The problem I have is that people are very quick to condemn him entirely without analysing what made him who he is. A few years being brought up in poverty and living a life that's harsh and insecure might well change someone's understanding of what it takes to survive in the environment he grew up in and why he behaves, instinctively, in the way he does.
 
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kidby33

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The guy certainly as a mental health problem , how else after his achievements in this years world cup would he behave in this manner . you may disagree but I would have liked to see a suspended sentence on him providing he attends mental behaviour therapy and undertakes proscribe treatment , which could include a rest from football . Looking beyond football and rivalries suarez is human and needs help .
 

doom

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thoroughly entertaining stuff! head-butts and biting is what the World Cup is about these days! can't ban Suarez for too long as he brings in much sought after media attention.
 

HotspurFC1950

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You know, I could say much the same thing about you from a different perspective. You've swallowed the hate campaign and are perpetuating the hate rather than coming up with an alternative solution for dealing with the problem that isn't itself based on hate.

I have no problem with Suarez being prosecuted for biting or racism. The problem I have is that people are very quick to condemn him entirely without analysing what made him who he is. A few years being brought up in poverty and living a life that's harsh and insecure might well change someone's understanding of what it takes to survive in the environment he grew up in and why he behaves, instinctively, in the way he does.


He was brought up in luxury.
 

14/04/91

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I wouldn't be surprised if Liverpool's appeal is successful and he will be back in PL action sooner than october 26. .

I would be very surprised.
Fifa won't back down on this. It's not because it's the 3rd time it's happened (although that has made their punishment easier to explain), it's the fact he's done it at their precious World Cup. They'll want to make an example of him.
 

ginola007

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I have no problem with Suarez being prosecuted for biting or racism. The problem I have is that people are very quick to condemn him entirely without analysing what made him who he is. A few years being brought up in poverty and living a life that's harsh and insecure might well change someone's understanding of what it takes to survive in the environment he grew up in and why he behaves, instinctively, in the way he does.
Growing up in poverty is no excuse for biting, which is an animal instinct.
 

Indisguise

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I don't want to make excuses for him. I want to make sure he stops doing it and that means understanding the reasons why he does it. If you threw a toddler into a forest and somehow he managed to survive, he'd have some very underdeveloped social skills by the time he reached manhood. That, obviously didn't happen to Suarez, but something happened to him that compels him to bite and none of us know why.

By the way, humans are animals too. ;)
 

vigospur

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I don't want to make excuses for him. I want to make sure he stops doing it and that means understanding the reasons why he does it. If you threw a toddler into a forest and somehow he managed to survive, he'd have some very underdeveloped social skills by the time he reached manhood. That, obviously didn't happen to Suarez, but something happened to him that compels him to bite and none of us know why.

By the way, humans are animals too. ;)
I think you are confusing two issues.
Why he does it is one. You can do any number of experiments or research exercises. The results may, or may not, be interesting.
But the solution is much more straightforward. Don't let people who bite the opposition play football.
Tough on Suarez in the same way as it is tough on a school bus driver who fails a breath test and is sacked. Purely self inflicted.
 

Indisguise

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I think you are confusing two issues.
Why he does it is one. You can do any number of experiments or research exercises. The results may, or may not, be interesting.
But the solution is much more straightforward. Don't let people who bite the opposition play football.
Tough on Suarez in the same way as it is tough on a school bus driver who fails a breath test and is sacked. Purely self inflicted.
No, the issues are clearly related. I personally think the ban is too long and unfair. I don't see anyone making career threatening tackles being given the same treatment. I'm interested in why he does it and think it needs to be understood to prevent it. I certainly don't think he shouldn't ever be allowed on a football pitch again like some people.
 
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chinaman

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Just cannot understand why Chiellini is saying the ban is excessive. How much has the Uruguayan FA paid him?
 

vigospur

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No, the issues are clearly related. I personally think the ban is too long and unfair. I don't see anyone making career threatening tackles being given the same treatment. I'm interested in why he does it and think it needs to be understood to prevent it. I certainly don't think he shouldn't ever be allowed on a football pitch again like some people.
I assume your principle still holds good at the fourth bite? And the fifth? And the sixth?
 

chinaman

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If anyone does what he did 3 times outside a football stadium, he can be sure to be shut up for a long either in an asylum or in a prison cell. So cannot understand all those holier-than-thouers.
 

Toela65

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Spot on I'm afraid. Suarez was just about off to Spain when he did it again, wasn't he? I wouldn't be surprised if Liverpool's appeal is successful and he will be back in PL action sooner than october 26. Last season he managed 31 goals from late September an onwards, so I'd really like to see him gone nomatter the fee. He is what gave Liverpool ther enormous lift last season and I would like to see how they fare without him.

People keep saying this but forget the fact there is evidence of this. LFC have had to play 19 games whilst Suarez was banned and their record is pretty much equal to when Suarez plays. PPG is pretty much constant.

The 5 games he missed at the start of last season LFC only lost 1 of them & were well placed in the league by the time he returned.

Why do people assume also that we won't get in an adequate replacement with the big amount of cash we'll have? We may not replace him with somebody who will contribute the same number of goals and assists but we don't need them too.

The first choice replacement is Sanchez who Barca want to include in the deal as they're struggling to meet the £70m release fee. He's a quality player who we could attract now after last season and being back in the CL.

If he only scored say 18 league goals and only 10 assists on paper that would still probably be enough to claim 4th based on last season (apparently its been worked out Suarez added ~10pts to our total over the course of a full season).

However, it must be factored in that it is very likely Utd will reclaim their top 4 spot so that means us or Arse will drop out which'll come down to recruitment by the 2 clubs this window & January imo, and this is without even taking into account what you and the Blueshite may produce in terms of top 4 challenge.

Liverpool's immediate future will imo come down to who they replace Suarez with & how efficiently they invest the Suarez windfall. Hopefully (unfortunately for you sorry) we can look at the Bale sale and resultant investment and see if there's anything we can learn and improve on to limit the damage of losing Suarez and get the most amount of bang for our buck.

My default setting is negative & I get a lot of stick from fellow reds for being too pessimistic (I prefer to say I'm not a pessimist I'm a realist!) so I'm certain Suarez is gone and we'll be fighting relegation next season (seriously I mean 5th place at the very best) but others reckon there's a pretty good chance he'll stay now with LFC set to take FIFA to CAS & possibly court according to The Times if the Uruguayan FA's appeal doesn't reduce the original ban.
 

Shadydan

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It's not really though is it.

Before Liverpool signed Suarez they knew he had previous, he was banned for biting an opponent in the Eredivisie for 7 games, what did they do...they still brought him and rewarded him a 5 year contract at £110,000 p/w

When Suarez racially abused Patrice Evra what did Liverpool do...they publicly backed him by wearing T-shirts and releasing a BS statement making him out to be the victim as if he was the one in the wrong.

When Luis Suarez bit Branislav Ivanovic he got banned for 10 matches....what did Liverpool do, they gave him a brand new 5 year contract and rewarded him with a £200,000 a week contract making him the highest paid player at the club.

Liverpool football club deserve everything they get.

@Toela65 Why did I get a dislike for this, I don't see too much wrong with this post, dare I say the only reason you disagreed is because of your extreme bias.
 
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