Manager watch: Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 614 59.3%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 373 36.0%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 48 4.6%

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John48

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Personally I did think it was a disappointing performance. We struggled to keep the ball & create chances, compounded by 2 serious mistakes that led to their goals.

At least last season when we lost 1-0 to them we could point to the chances we had & how their GK was the MoM & our performance deserved better, none of that is true after last nights game.
 

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JM was overheard by a friend of mine saying he learned a lot more from yesterday than he had in the previous three games put together. Regarding the players that is.

What he means by that I'm not sure. I guess we'll see in his team selection for Burnley.

It surely has to mean he realises that some players just are nowhere near good enough.

Winks is a midtable player at best. He would be sold to Bournemouth if he was at Liverpool. Sissoko has some attributes but again, he would be a very rarely used squad player at Liverpool. You can already see the problem can't you. We are starting players in CM who simply are nowhere near the required quality, and then we act surprised when we play poorly.

Winks might give you one 8/10 game once or twice a season, that is it.

Sissoko had a fantastic season last season but he isn't good enough to be CM at the highest level.

We need to integrate GLC and Ndombele into the side and do it now.

It's insane we have over 100 million quid of CM talent sat on the bench and we are fucking playing Sissoko and Winks, its mindblowing.

Can GLC and Ndombele really be any worse than Winks and Sissoko? Even half fit, GLC and Tanguy have more talent in their little toe than Winks and Sissoko do.

I'm loathe to slag Sissoko off to much as he has his uses but generally 9 times out of 10 if you set up against the top 6 with Sissoko and Winks in your CM, you are fucked. Properly fucked. You are up against it from the off. Put it this way, if you were managing a top 6 side and came up against Spurs, and they picked Winks and Sissoko you'd be thinking, sweet. What a underwhelming CM that is.

Yes we have issues in defence too but our CM problem is the major major problem.
 

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But we don't have that extra body in midfield. Yes yes yes I know we have Lo Celso and it's a given that not using him is so stupid and that the head coaches don't understand a first thing about that. But maybe, just maybe two different managers not starting him isn't such a dark and stupid coincidence. Maybe we simply don't have an extra player for the midfield 3.
We haven't really played well with a 2 in midfield since Dembele left.

The extra player could have been Dier, Eriksen, Lo Celso or Ndombele. Would have meant Lucas being on the bench but having a combo like the below for example at least gives us more presence in the middle of the park.

Winks - Dier - Sissoko
Eriksen - Sissoko - Winks
Lo Celso - Dier - Ndombele (my preference)

There's a few other variations as well but I think we wouldn't lose much from an attacking point of view doing this. We're currently conceding 2 goals a game so need to try vary something.
 

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It surely has to mean he realises that some players just are nowhere near good enough.

Winks is a midtable player at best. He would be sold to Bournemouth if he was at Liverpool. Sissoko has some attributes but again, he would be a very rarely used squad player at Liverpool. You can already see the problem can't you. We are starting players in CM who simply are nowhere near the required quality, and then we act surprised when we play poorly.

Winks might give you one 8/10 game once or twice a season, that is it.

Sissoko had a fantastic season last season but he isn't good enough to be CM at the highest level.

We need to integrate GLC and Ndombele into the side and do it now.

It's insane we have over 100 million quid of CM talent sat on the bench and we are fucking playing Sissoko and Winks, its mindblowing.

Can GLC and Ndombele really be any worse than Winks and Sissoko? Even half fit, GLC and Tanguy have more talent in their little toe than Winks and Sissoko do.

I'm loathe to slag Sissoko off to much as he has his uses but generally 9 times out of 10 if you set up against the top 6 with Sissoko and Winks in your CM, you are fucked. Properly fucked. You are up against it from the off. Put it this way, if you were managing a top 6 side and came up against Spurs, and they picked Winks and Sissoko you'd be thinking, sweet. What a underwhelming CM that is.

Yes we have issues in defence too but our CM problem is the major major problem.
Still think Winks is a useful player to have in the team. He's much better when the balance is right, like all of them I guess.

The issues are that neither Sissoko nor Winks can provide defensive cover. Neither can really get an attack going - Sissoko can if a game is stretched but more often than not he fudges the pass. Winks may be able to control a midfield better but he needs a Wanyama/Dembele beside him to bully the opposition. Neither Ndombele nor Lo Celso are that kind either as they are better in Winks' position.

Our number 1 transfer priority should be a defensive shield.
 

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Still think Winks is a useful player to have in the team. He's much better when the balance is right, like all of them I guess.

The issues are that neither Sissoko nor Winks can provide defensive cover. Neither can really get an attack going - Sissoko can if a game is stretched but more often than not he fudges the pass. Winks may be able to control a midfield better but he needs a Wanyama/Dembele beside him to bully the opposition. Neither Ndombele nor Lo Celso are that kind either as they are better in Winks' position.

Our number 1 transfer priority should be a defensive shield.

Have to disagree with you there. Winks is not good enough to work in a two man midfield. He barely has his uses in a three but then that would suggest building a team around him, which would be a farcical thing to do for such an average player.

Winks may be a useful player to have in the squad as a filler, but he is not a useful player to have in the team, if by team you mean first 11.
 

DEFchenkOE

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Still think Winks is a useful player to have in the team. He's much better when the balance is right, like all of them I guess.

The issues are that neither Sissoko nor Winks can provide defensive cover. Neither can really get an attack going - Sissoko can if a game is stretched but more often than not he fudges the pass. Winks may be able to control a midfield better but he needs a Wanyama/Dembele beside him to bully the opposition. Neither Ndombele nor Lo Celso are that kind either as they are better in Winks' position.

Our number 1 transfer priority should be a defensive shield.
Agree, which is why until that happens we HAVE to play Dier there. Not the best option but its either him, Wanyama, Skipp or Foyth. Our options are extremely limited.
 

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We haven't really played well with a 2 in midfield since Dembele left.

The extra player could have been Dier, Eriksen, Lo Celso or Ndombele. Would have meant Lucas being on the bench but having a combo like the below for example at least gives us more presence in the middle of the park.

Winks - Dier - Sissoko
Eriksen - Sissoko - Winks
Lo Celso - Dier - Ndombele (my preference)

There's a few other variations as well but I think we wouldn't lose much from an attacking point of view doing this. We're currently conceding 2 goals a game so need to try vary something.
Don't think those options fit Jose's ideas and they may stunt Dele's influence.

Will have to see what Jose does next but we want the best Mourinho team I think it'll be

DM
Ndombele or Lo Celso
Alli or Lo Celso
with the width coming from full backs and wingers.
 

Japhet

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It surely has to mean he realises that some players just are nowhere near good enough.

Winks is a midtable player at best. He would be sold to Bournemouth if he was at Liverpool. Sissoko has some attributes but again, he would be a very rarely used squad player at Liverpool. You can already see the problem can't you. We are starting players in CM who simply are nowhere near the required quality, and then we act surprised when we play poorly.

Winks might give you one 8/10 game once or twice a season, that is it.

Sissoko had a fantastic season last season but he isn't good enough to be CM at the highest level.

We need to integrate GLC and Ndombele into the side and do it now.

It's insane we have over 100 million quid of CM talent sat on the bench and we are fucking playing Sissoko and Winks, its mindblowing.

Can GLC and Ndombele really be any worse than Winks and Sissoko? Even half fit, GLC and Tanguy have more talent in their little toe than Winks and Sissoko do.

I'm loathe to slag Sissoko off to much as he has his uses but generally 9 times out of 10 if you set up against the top 6 with Sissoko and Winks in your CM, you are fucked. Properly fucked. You are up against it from the off. Put it this way, if you were managing a top 6 side and came up against Spurs, and they picked Winks and Sissoko you'd be thinking, sweet. What a underwhelming CM that is.

Yes we have issues in defence too but our CM problem is the major major problem.

It's more to do with 2 in midfield (as opposed to 3), than the players on the pitch. Winks and Sissoko would be fine with a DM in the middle, as would Ndombele and Lo Celso. Dier was awful in a pivot set up but IMO, would be fine in a central holding role where he could keep it simple, and not get caught out of position through trying to be creative and adventurous. I'd give Dele a free role behind Kane and Son in that setup too.
 

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Winks and Sissoko would be fine with a DM in the middle,

Really? You think a midfield of a DM with Winks and Sissoko is a fine midfield? WTF?

Sorry I don't mean to offend, I just find that baffling. That is nowhere near fine. Compare that midfield to Liverpool, City, even Chelsea's.

It's a terrible midfield. You could put peak Kante in that three, but if Winks and Sissoko are in there it would still suck balls.
 

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8 new players are what's needed.

GK
2 RB
2 LB
2 CB
1 CM

Hugo wasn't good enough before the injury, Gazza is an ok No.2.
SA & KWP both not good enough
BD & DR Def not good enough
TA & JV too slow
MS ED VW HW CE would happily upgeade or change all of these.

So maybe up to 10 players.

Damn big job ahead. good luck Jose/Hose
We need a pacy forward as well. Player who can make something out of nothing. Kane seems to be more a poacher now. Which is fine but we need players to accommodate that
 

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Really? You think a midfield of a DM with Winks and Sissoko is a fine midfield? WTF?

Sorry I don't mean to offend, I just find that baffling. That is nowhere near fine. Compare that midfield to Liverpool, City, even Chelsea's.

It's a terrible midfield. You could put peak Kante in that three, but if Winks and Sissoko are in there it would still suck balls.
Agree to disagree.
 

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Really? You think a midfield of a DM with Winks and Sissoko is a fine midfield? WTF?

Sorry I don't mean to offend, I just find that baffling. That is nowhere near fine. Compare that midfield to Liverpool, City, even Chelsea's.

It's a terrible midfield. You could put peak Kante in that three, but if Winks and Sissoko are in there it would still suck balls.

It wouldn't be my first choice but it would be a fuck site better than Winks and Sissoko in a Pivot.
 

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We haven't really played well with a 2 in midfield since Dembele left.

The extra player could have been Dier, Eriksen, Lo Celso or Ndombele. Would have meant Lucas being on the bench but having a combo like the below for example at least gives us more presence in the middle of the park.

Winks - Dier - Sissoko
Eriksen - Sissoko - Winks
Lo Celso - Dier - Ndombele (my preference)

There's a few other variations as well but I think we wouldn't lose much from an attacking point of view doing this. We're currently conceding 2 goals a game so need to try vary something.
I agree with the lineups in theory, I guess I was imprecise in my post. We don't have 3 match fit senior CM specialised player who are physically ready to boss premier league for 90 players. The players are there on paper, but not in reality atm.
 

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Really? You think a midfield of a DM with Winks and Sissoko is a fine midfield? WTF?

Sorry I don't mean to offend, I just find that baffling. That is nowhere near fine. Compare that midfield to Liverpool, City, even Chelsea's.

It's a terrible midfield. You could put peak Kante in that three, but if Winks and Sissoko are in there it would still suck balls.
Liverpools midfield is really nothing amazing. Henderson - Fabinho - Wijnaldum.

I'd take Fabinho in an instant, the other 2 are solid pros, hard workers but by no means world class.

However their midfield performs its exact function in either getting the ball to the dangerous front 3 or providing cover for the attacking fullbacks.

I think a midfield 3 of:

Winks - good dm - Sissoko

Is not much worse than

Henderson - Fabinho - Wijnaldum

And thats before you add in our other midfielders who have more quality on the ball.
 

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Liverpools midfield is really nothing amazing. Henderson - Fabinho - Wijnaldum.

I'd take Fabinho in an instant, the other 2 are solid pros, hard workers but by no means world class.

However their midfield performs its exact function in either getting the ball to the dangerous front 3 or providing cover for the attacking fullbacks.

I think a midfield 3 of:

Winks - good dm - Sissoko

Is not much worse than

Henderson - Fabinho - Wijnaldum

And thats before you add in our other midfielders who have more quality on the ball.

I'm sorry but this is pure delusion mate.

Wijnaldum is a terrific CM player. He may not be world class but his close control and ability on the ball makes Sissoko look like a pub player. He has excellent skill and ability in tight spots which is perfect for this league, he is extremely press resistant, plus he is physically very strong too and he never stops running. Compare what he offers to what Sissoko offers and it is night and day. Sissoko only competes in the physique stakes but on the ball he is not even on the same planet as Wijnaldum.

Henderson is basically a much better version of Winks. He does everything Winks can do but much better.

Then you have Fabinho who is actually world class.


To say Liverpool's midfield is not much better is just plan wrong, you are completely overrating what is a terrible bang average midfield we have. Winks and Sissoko, just very average players.

It seems fashionable for people to say Liverpool's midfield is just functional, but it's doing a disservice to them. They all excel in particular areas which makes them formidable, we are witnessing one of the best Liverpool sides ever, record breaking left right and centre unfortunately. CL winners and will win PL, hardly lose a game in two years. It is mad to say their midfield is average. On paper it's the weakest part of their side, but any one of those three would walk into our CM. We can only hope GLC and Tanguy become very good for us, but Winks and Sissoko will never be good enough.
 

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Liverpools midfield is really nothing amazing. Henderson - Fabinho - Wijnaldum.

I'd take Fabinho in an instant, the other 2 are solid pros, hard workers but by no means world class.

However their midfield performs its exact function in either getting the ball to the dangerous front 3 or providing cover for the attacking fullbacks.

I think a midfield 3 of:

Winks - good dm - Sissoko


Is not much worse than

Henderson - Fabinho - Wijnaldum

And thats before you add in our other midfielders who have more quality on the ball.

And a CM of Lo Celso - Good DM - Ndombele would eat them alive.
 

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I'm sorry but this is pure delusion mate.

Wijnaldum is a terrific CM player. He may not be world class but his close control and ability on the ball makes Sissoko look like a pub player. He has excellent skill and ability in tight spots which is perfect for this league, he is extremely press resistant, plus he is physically very strong too and he never stops running. Compare what he offers to what Sissoko offers and it is night and day. Sissoko only competes in the physique stakes but on the ball he is not even on the same planet as Wijnaldum.

Henderson is basically a much better version of Winks. He does everything Winks can do but much better.

Then you have Fabinho who is actually world class.


To say Liverpool's midfield is not much better is just plan wrong, you are completely overrating what is a terrible bang average midfield we have. Winks and Sissoko, just very average players.

It seems fashionable for people to say Liverpool's midfield is just functional, but it's doing a disservice to them. They all excel in particular areas which makes them formidable, we are witnessing one of the best Liverpool sides ever, record breaking left right and centre unfortunately. CL winners and will win PL, hardly lose a game in two years. It is mad to say their midfield is average. On paper it's the weakest part of their side, but any one of those three would walk into our CM. We can only hope GLC and Tanguy become very good for us, but Winks and Sissoko will never be good enough.
Henderson is better than Winks, although that doesn't say much about either of them. I'd love to have Wijnaldum in our team.
 
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