Jose Mourinho

[Graysonti]

Some can't. Some would rather see Jose fail than see us succeed without Poch. Baffles me.

They are fucking idiots

I loved Poch but he was beat up and gone at the end. Had to go !

 

[Young Nasty Man]

I gotta be honest - this whole Poch v Jose is a little hard to compare. Reason being that there are two different times, two different expectations and two different teams.

Both came in with attainable expectations that had different meaning at each time: Poch needing to obtain consistent Top 4 and continual growth in a time where we lacked it; Jose needs to obtain Top 4 after having a very difficult start to a season following the clubs highest achievement in modern history. Jose I would say has a much easier goal here than he did at his other clubs, and something he’s capable of. It isn’t necessarily a win now or out mentality. Is this window of opportunity closing for us to win with a talented side? Yes. But this is slightly different than his other clubs as was Pochettino’s appointment at that point in his career. I think we can’t compare the two as it’s early for Jose and still too soon after Poch.

There is only one thing that is certain as of now, Jose has managed to rebuild character after and a bit of grit after walking into a very burnt out and injured squad. Too me, you learn more from results where a little bit of a luck or drive “rescues” the team versus a bludgeoning. Why? It forces the team to improve, and work harder.

Generally speaking, it is coming together and the team is building a new identity in a time where much of the squad is either hurt, old, or on the way out. As of now, I think it’s very clear we are getting better results than we would have and the milk was beginning to spoil with Poch. Right now, Jose is meeting expectations and doing more than what was probably attainable with a growing disgruntled Poch and a system that probably had burnt our players out.

Still a lot of time until we can make a final input, thus far, these grind it out results are excellent regardless of the opponent. Thus far, Jose is doing more than Poch would’ve been able to with the circumstances.

 

[wrd]

Some can't. Some would rather see Jose fail than see us succeed without Poch. Baffles me.

Is there actually anybody with that attitude or do you all make these people up in your heads?

 

[Dillspur]

I gotta be honest - this whole Poch v Jose is a little hard to compare. Reason being that there are two different times, two different expectations and two different teams.

Both came in with attainable expectations that had different meaning at each time: Poch needing to obtain consistent Top 4 and continual growth in a time where we lacked it; Jose needs to obtain Top 4 after having a very difficult start to a season following the clubs highest achievement in modern history. Jose I would say has a much easier goal here than he did at his other clubs, and something he’s capable of. It isn’t necessarily a win now or out mentality. Is this window of opportunity closing for us to win with a talented side? Yes. But this is slightly different than his other clubs as was Pochettino’s appointment at that point in his career. I think we can’t compare the two as it’s early for Jose and still too soon after Poch.

There is only one thing that is certain as of now, Jose has managed to rebuild character after and a bit of grit after walking into a very burnt out and injured squad. Too me, you learn more from results where a little bit of a luck or drive “rescues” the team versus a bludgeoning. Why? It forces the team to improve, and work harder.

Generally speaking, it is coming together and the team is building a new identity in a time where much of the squad is either hurt, old, or on the way out. As of now, I think it’s very clear we are getting better results than we would have and the milk was beginning to spoil with Poch. Right now, Jose is meeting expectations and doing more than what was probably attainable with a growing disgruntled Poch and a system that probably had burnt our players out.

Still a lot of time until we can make a final input, thus far, these grind it out results are excellent regardless of the opponent. Thus far, Jose is doing more than Poch would’ve been able to with the circumstances.

Agreed, expect the last paragraph where you kinda contradict everything you say by then comparing what you think Poch could have done.

Poch did have to go, there were clearly issues, but as someone said there's no need to keep having digs at Poch after every win.

I think it was when the chavs won the PL, we had the most points when coming from behind, we were relentless and scored a lot of goals in the 80-90th minutes.

 

[NorfolkArgus]

It might not be pretty, but it's pretty effective.

 

[Havre]

How is this a "shit" win for Mourinho? Obviously Mourinho can't be blamed for 1-0. 2-2 is a corner and the other huge chance Villa got Alderweireld misjudged the situation completely. Structurally we were not bad today.

Going forward we created a lot.

So apart from the poor general start, which the manager got to take some responsibility for, and the selection of Dier, I can't see Mourinho doing much wrong here. We created much more than Liverpool did against Norwich.

 

[dondo]

Okay?? Jose has Lo Celso, Gedson and Bergwijn? What's your point? Because the statement was Poch couldn't do it without Kane which is blatantly not true, even last season which was poor and papered over by the CL run, Poch still got 6 wins out 9 without Kane and without a in form dier and Eriksen

Fair point ?. I’ve jumped in on a conversation I wasn’t fully invested in ?

 

[WiganSpur]

I think the similarities between us from 2/3yrs ago, to City, and now Liverpool, are quite obvious. The difference being that we just couldn’t get anything over that final hurdle. We could/should have won the league, FA Cup, and if we’d have turned up, the CL too.. I’ve said to my Liverpool supporting friend that our transfer policy and loyalty to certain players, is what took us back steps. Loyalty to guys who were drained from the way we played, and then not seeking proper alternatives to those guys, has left us where we are now.

Liverpool and City have both, in turn, done this too. I don’t think ‘Pool signed anyone in the summer, right? Then the one guy in January. Pep decided to not recruit at CB, instead taking his anchorman out of midfield to play him in defence. Also hasn’t made many signings in what, 3?, windows now. And it’s all caught up with them.

The burn out will come, they will all suffer unless they replace 1st teamers with ready to go replacements. The fact that in those peak years, they have both won stuff, sets them ahead of ourselves, and maybe Klopp will address the situation of replacements in the summer? If he doesn’t, I can’t see how ‘Pool will go on to dominate for another 2 years, I’d give them 1, maximum.

Liverpool have been lucky enough to see us and City now to a lesser extent go through the burnout process. I would not be surprised to see a flurry of transfer activity for them this summer as a result.

 

[haslemereyid]

i am loving him

 

[WiganSpur]

Jose 26 points from 14 matches PPG 1.86
Poch 14 from 12 matches PPG 1.17

In a competitive tight margins PL, that's a big uptick in results imo

 

[Metalhead]

I don't want to turn this into Poch v Jose

Couldn't agree more. Totally pointless.

 

[aliyid]

Brutal from Jose....

 

[Shadydan]

Allow the Poch talk

 

[JCRD]

Jose 26 points from 14 matches PPG 1.86
Poch 14 from 12 matches PPG 1.17

In a competitive tight margins PL, that's a big uptick in results imo

It is but it does lack context. eg injuries and the difficulty of games etc.

Jose is doing well, he does piss me off with the approach ins ome games for example Southampton in the cup replay we were horrid for 70 mins then we decided to play. Today we were good apart fromt he first 15 and the defensive side of things really needs improvement. Jose has definitely done well though in the overall context of things. I think we are becoming more confident as a team and we are starting to click from midfield onwards

 

[daveduvet]

Jose v Poch is incommensurable ... variables; signed players; confidence; injuries; pointless to compare ...

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

I don't see the point of comparing the 2, Poch dragged us into consistent cl entry and took us to the next level. Many thanks to him and great respect but his time is over.

Jose is here to take us to the final level. I don't know if he can do it, but he is doing a mighty fine job so far in an incredibly difficult situation.

More than anything I am enjoying watching spurs again.

 

[Phomesy]

A lot of the "Poch Vs Mourinho" talk is generated by people making blatantly false statements about Spurs record under Poch, which elicits responses pointing out, you know, actual facts.

What is also a fact is that the situation was untenable and a change had to be made.

That doesn't mean we have to pretend that it's fun watching Southampton brutalise us at our own gaff - although getting the win was.

The problem was, and remains, that a large part of our squad got above themselves or got old real damn quick. Mourinho is in charge of rebuilding that squad now. We won't play fluent until that's done.

 

[Gb160]

Is there actually anybody with that attitude or do you all make these people up in your heads?

I'd bet my house that there are.
They'd never admit it though.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Our defensive structure is absolutely shocking. And work off the ball seems completely un-managed.

 

[wrd]

I'd bet my house that there are.
They'd never admit it though.

So yeah it is all in the head then . Until somebody comes forward with that then those suggesting it are getting themselves worked up over nothing. I don't see why Jose wouldn't or shouldn't have all our support. He's been appointed to a job, as far as I can see he has been 100% committed to the cause further proven by his decision to head out to Germany to do some scouting himself. Performance wise is debatable but completely understandable in the circumstance but I'd find it hard for anybody to argue that it hasn't been more exciting recently. He's doing everything which everybody seemingly wanted - giving a youth a chance when there weren't getting one, getting young players out on loan, overseeing a rebuild by shifting old faces and bringing in new and actually integrating them. He's taking the domestic trophies seriously. For me he had no expectations this season and it was pretty much a free swing and from where I'm sitting he's going to knock it out the park so I simply fail to why anybody would want him to fail.