Jose Mourinho

[stov]

I wouldn't have picked Jose as our manager either, but I don't think half a season in is the right time to say "I told you so".

Now that we've gone down this road, I want to see what he can do in the summer window and next season at least before we start thinking about yet another managerial change, especially given his record of success.

There was a level of jest in the post, obviously missed by many.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Why Tottenham are stagnating under José Mourinho, who has yet to evolve | Jonathan Wilson

It’s hard not to feel that we’ve have seen this all before and know how it plays out. The sense is that the endgame has begun at Tottenham

www.theguardian.com

 

[rossdapep]

Dyche's approach would have to change completely when coming into the club. It's a bit like when Moyes went to United, Moyes had to focus on getting his team to play more expressive but struggled to as it's not a part of his footballing DNA.

Dyche will have his principals, how he goes about coaching and the sessions he does, he'd likey have to change all that as he's with more technical players, he'd be well pit of his comfort zone. Perhaps he's good at getting work horses to fight and stay compact but applying the same approach to players who want to express themselves more will be much harder. How much patience would people have with someone who's never won anything.

Yes, Jose is effectively doing that with us now, but Jose has won the lot and been very successful with this style (I'd also argue that Jose prefers his attack to play fast passing and intelligent movement) so he commands respect. Whilst they both focus on the defensive aspect, Jose likes his attack to play fast, quick touch and intelligent movement, wheras Dyche's methods generally involve long balls and lots of set pieces.

After Jose we should be looking for a coach to bring us positive football again. The whole point of Jose wasn't the allure of his style but to give this club a winning mentality. Dyche does neither.

 

[stov]

Dyce is like jose without the trophies.

 

[sausage]

Dyche's approach would have to change completely when coming into the club. It's a bit like when Moyes went to United, Moyes had to focus on getting his team to play more expressive but struggled to as it's not a part of his footballing DNA.

Dyche will have his principals, how he goes about coaching and the sessions he does, he'd likey have to change all that as he's with more technical players, he'd be well pit of his comfort zone. Perhaps he's good at getting work horses to fight and stay compact but applying the same approach to players who want to express themselves more will be much harder. How much patience would people have with someone who's never won anything.

Yes, Jose is effectively doing that with us now, but Jose has won the lot and been very successful with this style (I'd also argue that Jose prefers his attack to play fast passing and intelligent movement) so he commands respect. Whilst they both focus on the defensive aspect, Jose likes his attack to play fast, quick touch and intelligent movement, wheras Dyche's methods generally involve long balls and lots of set pieces.

After Jose we should be looking for a coach to bring us positive football again. The whole point of Jose wasn't the allure of his style but to give this club a winning mentality. Dyche does neither.

Agree.

Just wanted to add a small thing about Moyes - I don't think his struggles were anything to do with his coaching attributes, but just his personality. Those players still take the piss out of him now (Ferdinand, Neville, Evra etc.), basically indicating that they didn't listen to him or his instructions, whilst implying they had no respect for him.
Moyes did no worse (imo) than anyone else that has followed Fergie - he had all of about 6 months and he took the blame for what was actually the true Man Utd under the surface.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

From peak Pochettino to Dyche in 5 years. Surely the definitive sign of end of days

 

[For the love of Spurs]

The thought if going into next season with him fills me with dread. I dont want this anti football.

The only time I've ever not given a manager a chance was sherwood who I thought was a clown from the start and I get an even worse vibe than that.

Sherwood was a chancer who got on Levys good books. Mourinho obviously has a cv that's second to none but look at the way he handled the United job and see what's happening here. Its not the same manager.

I really want to go into next season with optimism. Not going to happen if he's still here.

Some of the football under Sherwood was actually entertaining. He was just a caretaker who got to big for his boots.

 

[stonebrow]

From peak Pochettino to Dyche in 5 years. Surely the definitive sign of end of days

The end is certainly nigh!

 

[rossdapep]

Agree.

Just wanted to add a small thing about Moyes - I don't think his struggles were anything to do with his coaching attributes, but just his personality. Those players still take the piss out of him now (Ferdinand, Neville, Evra etc.), basically indicating that they didn't listen to him or his instructions, whilst implying they had no respect for him.
Moyes did no worse (imo) than anyone else that has followed Fergie - he had all of about 6 months and he took the blame for what was actually the true Man Utd under the surface.

Yeah I agree. I've seen him coaching before and he certainly knows what he's on about and focuses a lot on pressing and positioning but yeah I think he just doesn't inspire players - especially players who've won the lot.

He looked like a rabbit in headlights during his United tenure, I think players sense that and it rubs off.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Some of the football under Sherwood was actually entertaining. He was just a caretaker who got to big for his boots.

It was entertaining in a wacky races kind of way

 

[sausage]

He looked like a rabbit in headlights during his United tenure, I think players sense that and it rubs off.

Absolutely, and that gave almost everyone in the media chance to lower the respect for him publicly. Didn't stand a chance, but I half expect he was intended to be the scapegoat anyway.

 

[Marty]

Some of the football under Sherwood was actually entertaining. He was just a caretaker who got to big for his boots.

It was entertaining in a wacky races kind of way

The man started Sigurdsson as a DM with Bentaleb away at a rampant Liverpool at the peak of their powers in the Brentan/Suarez era. There's entertaining and there's downright moronic.

 

[emiley heskey]

This dyche?

 

[ItsBoris]

I'd happily take Dyche as our next manager.

I think that would be a huge roll of the Dyche.

 

[CornerPinDreamer]

I think that would be a huge roll of the Dyche.

I miss Lesbian porn

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I want the Southampton manager. Anyone that can turn the team around after losing 9-0 has something about him

Him or Chris Wilder both would be good options.
But yea i see hassenhutul as a mini-Klopp, he's got southampton playing some very exciting stuff.

 

[mpickard2087]

Agree.

Just wanted to add a small thing about Moyes - I don't think his struggles were anything to do with his coaching attributes, but just his personality. Those players still take the piss out of him now (Ferdinand, Neville, Evra etc.), basically indicating that they didn't listen to him or his instructions, whilst implying they had no respect for him.
Moyes did no worse (imo) than anyone else that has followed Fergie - he had all of about 6 months and he took the blame for what was actually the true Man Utd under the surface.

Yeah I agree. I've seen him coaching before and he certainly knows what he's on about and focuses a lot on pressing and positioning but yeah I think he just doesn't inspire players - especially players who've won the lot.

He looked like a rabbit in headlights during his United tenure, I think players sense that and it rubs off.

Loads of them have said many times before that half the problem was that Moyes wanted to run everything himself. Coaching, Scouting, Opposition Analysis, you name it. It quickly became evident that he may have been able to do that at Everton, but at Man Utd it was far too big an ask. Plus he chucked out all the backroom staff, with bucketloads of experience and know how at the club, which could have helped transition.

Also no one seemed to rate his man management skills. Seen numerous ex-players contrast him to Fergie - who would tell players they were left out whilst still making them feel important or say he needed them for such and such game down the line, and would focus a lot of his efforts on wider squad members - in having little to say to anyone not in the team. There is also according to one of my mates a story that goes around amongst United fans that apparently he called Rio Ferdinand in early on and said he didn't like his defending and wanted him to study Phil Jagielka.... Just sounds like a guy who walked in with very little humility and it bit him on the backside.

Plus I never thought he was suited to a big club. He's a scrapper, quite rigid in his tactics, and doesn't ultimately win enough games or play proactively enough to manage at the very top level.

 

[rossdapep]

Loads of them have said many times before that half the problem was that Moyes wanted to run everything himself. Coaching, Scouting, Opposition Analysis, you name it. It quickly became evident that he may have been able to do that at Everton, but at Man Utd it was far too big an ask. Plus he chucked out all the backroom staff, with bucketloads of experience and know how at the club, which could have helped transition.

Also no one seemed to rate his man management skills. Seen numerous ex-players contrast him to Fergie - who would tell players they were left out whilst still making them feel important or say he needed them for such and such game down the line, and would focus a lot of his efforts on wider squad members - in having little to say to anyone not in the team. There is also according to one of my mates a story that goes around amongst United fans that apparently he called Rio Ferdinand in early on and said he didn't like his defending and wanted him to study Phil Jagielka.... Just sounds like a guy who walked in with very little humility and it bit him on the backside.

Plus I never thought he was suited to a big club. He's a scrapper, quite rigid in his tactics, and doesn't ultimately win enough games or play proactively enough to manage at the very top level.

Yeah I seem to remember these things being said. I think Fergie suggested that he kept on the backroom staff as it would help him to get to know the players, know the club identity and become liked around the club? To ignore that advice is pretty damn stupid. Like you say, he was never suited to a big club. I'm pretty sure Rio may have actually said that himself didn't he?

 

[jay2040]

If I thought there was any chance we'd ever play football like Liverpool I'd be happy for him to stay but we all know there is 0% chance that's ever going to happen. Its boring football from now until the day he's sacked.

We don't have the quality of players that liverpool have . Just look at Trent and Robertson and how much they contribute. Nothing to do with the football style of play.

 

[jay2040]

I dont usually lower myself to this...

But a big fat I told you so to all those thought jose was the answer.

Jose is the best answer available at the time and way too soon to get on your high horse. Would have been more appropriate in December or something if was still true .