Jose Mourinho

[sausage]

I still find it amazing how we can have such experienced defenders who, for some amazingly unknown reason, still fanny about with the ball at the back when under pressure.

There are times when I think I could be a better defender than most of them just by simply Sissoking it into the stands instead of dilly-dallying and giving it away. It was mentioned recently that these experienced players aren't that daft, but they clearly are.

I don't want to over-simplify, but it's incredible how crap we became when Poch decided to try and convert us into a 'playing from the back' team, and there's still residual evidence of that at times. Kick it out or give it back to Hugo. GLC also cleared a few balls straight to them that would have been better off smashed out of play, just to slow down the tempo a little.

I assume Jose is aware of this and is just as miffed about it.

 

[RikkiRocket]

Run, Ricki, run! They're after you!

To be fair, I'm after you for your grammar too, but I just thought I'd give you fair warning. Just to be sporting.

Deli Alee did it. ?

 

[Japhet]

Can't say I 'get' Mourinho's comments about now having easy choices of who to play next time out. He sent on 4 A list player at half time who barely did any better than those they replaced. The main difference was Hojbjerg who tightened up the midfield and added a bit of bite, but it didn't result in anything going forward, and in fact yielded some very decent chances for Antwerp.

He was obviously very disappointed with the first half showing and implemented a raft of half time changes which I thought was complete overkill. Those who came on didn't improve our lot at all really,but apparently Mourinho now knows who he'll trust v Brighton. Seems like he targetted some of the fringe players with his comments and I think there would have been much better ways of dealing with it than that kind of public outburst.

 

[DJS]

Jose has always been very bold with his substitutions.

I remember during his first spell at Chelsea he made a triple sub, possibly at half timel and then one of their players ended up getting injured second half and the6 had no subs left! ??

Personally would have left Lo Celso and Vinicius on as Lo Celso needs match sharpness and Vinicius should perhaps have been given more time out there to produce.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Can't say I 'get' Mourinho's comments about now having easy choices of who to play next time out. He sent on 4 A list player at half time who barely did any better than those they replaced. The main difference was Hojbjerg who tightened up the midfield and added a bit of bite, but it didn't result in anything going forward, and in fact yielded some very decent chances for Antwerp.

He was obviously very disappointed with the first half showing and implemented a raft of half time changes which I thought was complete overkill. Those who came on didn't improve our lot at all really,but apparently Mourinho now knows who he'll trust v Brighton. Seems like he targetted some of the fringe players with his comments and I think there would have been much better ways of dealing with it than that kind of public outburst.

Completely agree with this.

Think he's doing a good job but didn't handle this brilliantly at all.

Also don't think he needed to make 4 changes, 1-2 would've been fine.

 

[dbspurs]

Can't say I 'get' Mourinho's comments about now having easy choices of who to play next time out. He sent on 4 A list player at half time who barely did any better than those they replaced. The main difference was Hojbjerg who tightened up the midfield and added a bit of bite, but it didn't result in anything going forward, and in fact yielded some very decent chances for Antwerp.

He was obviously very disappointed with the first half showing and implemented a raft of half time changes which I thought was complete overkill. Those who came on didn't improve our lot at all really,but apparently Mourinho now knows who he'll trust v Brighton. Seems like he targetted some of the fringe players with his comments and I think there would have been much better ways of dealing with it than that kind of public outburst.

Difference is they sat back and played on the counter second half. So we basically had to open them up. Not easy when a team performs as stoically as Antwerp did.

First half was pretty open but our under performing fringe couldn't take advantage.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Run, Ricki, run! They're after you!

To be fair, I'm after you for your grammar too, but I just thought I'd give you fair warning. Just to be sporting.

I don’t overly give a hoot about grammar or spelling unless it’s from someone being paid for his mastery of it (particularly the smug types with black and white backgrounds on their Twitter monikers). I think @RikkiRocket took my comment in the playful tone it was intended in.

 

[whitesocks]

There was a general lack of application, particularly going for loose balls of which Antwerp won the vast majority. Aurier and Lucas were the only ones I saw sprinting to get to a 50/50 which simply isn't good enough. I didn't think Antwerp were actually that much better - they just wanted it a whole lot more than ours did.

I recently read that football fans who don't really understand what is going on, resort to the phrase 'they wanted it more than us'. But I agree with everything you write.
We have been out-desired twice in a row now - Burnley players were riding challenges two at a time and coming away with the ball. It certainly wasn't skill, but just they wanted it more. And that comes from the manager.

Spurs fans know better than most what happens if a manager can instil belief in the players. When Pochettino was magic, Dele Alli was told he was a fierce urban midfield destroyer, and that's what he did. What exactly he thinks he is now is anyone's guess. Kane was told he was the best striker in the world, and he was, as Pochettino just willed to be true. And so on.

Fergy made that last team of his champions by will power alone, as there was little natural ability there. Arguably Clough and early Shankly did the same. Incredible characters who would not accept half hearted efforts.

Mourinho has also shown incredible desire, but we didn't really see that in the last 2 games, where he was shown shell shocked in the corner of the dug-out, tormented by demons. If the players weren't doing what they were told in training, why wasn't he raging at them? Why wasn't he directing them? Energising them? Managing them...

 

[rez9000]

I don’t overly give a hoot about grammar or spelling unless it’s from someone being paid for his mastery of it (particularly the smug types with black and white backgrounds on their Twitter monikers). I think @RikkiRocket took my comment in the playful tone it was intended in.

As did I.

 

[Gb160]

I see the Dunning-Kruger effect is in full effect like normal.

What the fuck makes some fans think they have the first idea about how best to handle elite footballers is a complete wonder to me.

 

[Beni]

Just because the result didn’t change, doesn’t mean that we weren’t better in the second half. We were.

It was immediately obvious that our play quickened and we upped our tempo with and without the ball. Yes, they had further chances, but that was always going to be the case when we were pushing forward for an equaliser. The amount of times they put themselves infront of the ball to block our shots in second half just showed how much desire they had. De Laet pulled off tackle and block after another. They are an organised team and their home form is testament to that.

We played badly both halves, don’t get me wrong. They defended well, we lost, need to stop over analysing it.

 

[wadewill]

Some serious twisted knickers in here

That game was literally treated like a friendly. Bale staying on was planned, get him 60 mins and get him off. The result doesn't matter, we will qualify from this group, if ever there was a game to treat to give people minutes on the pitch ahead of an important game it was this one.

The half time subs the same, Dele aside, I would expect GLC to play a big part on Sunday.

If we play badly on Sunday and lose thats when you can moan that this didnt come off, but to me it was treated by everyone, including the players (which is wrong because they should be playing for their place and for a bit of pride) like a mid season friendly

Which i dont think is a bad thing at all, i think it will be the same for all the away games in this group

 

[RikkiRocket]

I don’t overly give a hoot about grammar or spelling unless it’s from someone being paid for his mastery of it (particularly the smug types with black and white backgrounds on their Twitter monikers). I think @RikkiRocket took my comment in the playful tone it was intended in.

I did. Absolutely.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Just because the result didn’t change, doesn’t mean that we weren’t better in the second half. We were.

It was immediately obvious that our play quickened and we upped our tempo with and without the ball. Yes, they had further chances, but that was always going to be the case when we are pushing forward for an equaliser. The amount of times they put themselves infront of the ball to block our shots in second half just showed how much desire they had. De Laet pulled off tackle and block after another. They are organised team and their home form is testament to that.

We played badly both halves, don’t get me wrong. They defended well, we lost, need to stop over analysing it.

While I agree that we had more of the ball and better tempo to our play second half, there was an element of the opposition going full mourinho, ceding territory and hitting us on the break. I think the amount of blocked hopeful shots and forced passes through the eye of a needle we had is testament to that.

 

[Beni]

While I agree that we had more of the ball and better tempo to our play second half, there was an element of the opposition going full mourinho, ceding territory and hitting us on the break. I think the amount of blocked hopeful shots and forced passes through the eye of a needle we had is testament to that.

Yep, we got caught on the counter attack as our centre backs were outnumbered as both our full backs pushed right up. Can’t remember his name, but the blonde left winger, as soon as they won the ball back, tried to exploit the space behind Aurier.

 

[Spurs 1961]

Can't say I 'get' Mourinho's comments about now having easy choices of who to play next time out. He sent on 4 A list player at half time who barely did any better than those they replaced. The main difference was Hojbjerg who tightened up the midfield and added a bit of bite, but it didn't result in anything going forward, and in fact yielded some very decent chances for Antwerp.

He was obviously very disappointed with the first half showing and implemented a raft of half time changes which I thought was complete overkill. Those who came on didn't improve our lot at all really,but apparently Mourinho now knows who he'll trust v Brighton. Seems like he targetted some of the fringe players with his comments and I think there would have been much better ways of dealing with it than that kind of public outburst.
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I said it elsewhere but Mourinho’s behaviour was nothing short of a childish strop. The sort when he pokes people in the eye. It wasn’t a Coll calculated decision to change four players at half time and the ‘I told you so’ kind of interview was typical of the man. His decision making was worse then the players, his substitutions random and his man management appalling. In comparison all the players performed much better.

 

[spursfan77]

Some serious twisted knickers in here

That game was literally treated like a friendly. Bale staying on was planned, get him 60 mins and get him off. The result doesn't matter, we will qualify from this group, if ever there was a game to treat to give people minutes on the pitch ahead of an important game it was this one.

The half time subs the same, Dele aside, I would expect GLC to play a big part on Sunday.

If we play badly on Sunday and lose thats when you can moan that this didnt come off, but to me it was treated by everyone, including the players (which is wrong because they should be playing for their place and for a bit of pride) like a mid season friendly

Which i dont think is a bad thing at all, i think it will be the same for all the away games in this group

yeah thats exactly why I cant get my knickers in a twist over the defeat.

 

[ralvy]

Some serious twisted knickers in here

That game was literally treated like a friendly. Bale staying on was planned, get him 60 mins and get him off. The result doesn't matter, we will qualify from this group, if ever there was a game to treat to give people minutes on the pitch ahead of an important game it was this one.

The half time subs the same, Dele aside, I would expect GLC to play a big part on Sunday.

If we play badly on Sunday and lose thats when you can moan that this didnt come off, but to me it was treated by everyone, including the players (which is wrong because they should be playing for their place and for a bit of pride) like a mid season friendly

Which i dont think is a bad thing at all, i think it will be the same for all the away games in this group

By all means, go and threat a match like a friendly once we have secured qualification into the next round, but certainly not before. If Mou really did that (which I don't think he did), then that was very stupid from his part.

 

[Athenspur]

Feels like Jose had chosen this borderline meaningless game to make some points to certain players, and remind everybody that he's the boss, and the boss can get a bit crazy and divisive and petulant. Because that's who Jose Mourinho is.
The thing is, the only point he consistently makes wherever he has worked is that his ego must prevail at all costs. I'm afraid that he messed up badly yesterday, when there was barely a cloud in the sky.
Mou clearly didn't care about the result; otherwise he wouldn't use up all five substitutions by the 57th minute, risking to play with 10 men for half an hour if someone got hurt.
Why didn't he let the fringe players get the minutes they need then? Hauling Vinicius and Dele off at half time was insane. Both needed 90 minutes.
Almost every player must be upset after last night; Jose was right about that one. Just not for the right reasons.

 

[rez9000]

By all means, go and threat a match like a friendly once we have secured qualification into the next round, but certainly not before. If Mou really did that (which I don't think he did), then that was very stupid from his part.

Yeah, I don't think he treated it as a friendly, either, but I get what @wadewill is saying (unless I'm completely off the money, of course) - it was an opportunity to use players in the same fashion as a friendly might be used - give players minutes to help them play together better and increase fitness. And that, to me, doesn't seem unreasonable. I just think we cam up against a side who knew they were outclassed on paper and wanted their unbeaten run at home to also include taking a massive scalp, which is how it transpired.