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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

danielneeds

Kick-Ass
May 5, 2004
24,179
48,764
I have to take issue, from my perspective at least, with the claims going around that people who don't want Mourinho are allergic or scared of winning and accepting of mediocrity. Bullshit. I have higher standards and am harder to please than pretty much every single one of you on here and basically every fan I know, whether Spurs win lose or draw.

I've said it a few times in recent weeks, but for me it comes down to how you view football. Foot-ball. As in the game itself. I knew already I saw things differently to most fans of the sport, but this change in manager and the opinion around it just reinforces that further. Most fans are casual watchers, they want to cheer goals, cheer wins, and cheer trophies. Fair enough, and I get that. Ask them how you go about that, not really fussed. In fact for a lot of fans I'd say they have no ability whatsoever to analyse a match or tell you what happened, but that's another discussion.......... But for me, increasingly so as I get older, I see football as art/entertainment. I watch for the 90 minutes of play and am interested in the intricacies, all the tactical and technical stuff and nuts and bolts of a performance. I have my tastes and standards as to what I feel is the way the game should be played and how I want the team(s) I support to play - in my case, I'm of the Cruyff/Spanish/Dutch style as my starting point in terms of ideas for the game. High line, high press, (intricate) possession, technical players, focus on youth and developing players etc.

It's not even just 'defensive/boring' football that I take issue with. As I said in a post last night there are plenty of 'exciting' football teams that don't do it for me either. Anyone on here at the time saw my thoughts about the lottery open bollocks football of Redknapp. I didn't rate quite a lot of Poch's stuff, even on a good day. Currently even though they look unbeatable and might storm the league I don't particularly like Klopp/Liverpool's style of play and wouldn't want it at Spurs. And so on. Everyone has their own tastes and opinions about how the game should be played and what they want to watch, or at least should have in my view. Mine are quite specific, and also hard to please I admit.

The analogy I used recently was that whilst everyone wants the end Result (ie. wins and trophies), I cant separate that from the Process (the actual football being played week in, week out, game after game) on the way to getting to it. That is my main focus because it is what I will be watching. Most fans are different, and can forgo what happened if they're happy with the outcome, but that's not really me.

I am as competitive and want to win as much as anyone, fucking believe me, but I don't get the obsession with 'needing a trophy' from the fans either. Like there is some eternal glory to be basked in if we win. It's a good day and occasion if it happens, that's about it in my eyes, then life goes on. I don't know maybe I just have enough other things that interest me beyond football, and I'm not an overly emotional person tbh, but it's not something I can get worked up over. I woke up the day after the CL final quite honestly over it. Not forgotten it, happy to be on here discussing and picking over it to the nth degree if required and giving my opinion, but it was done with. Truthfully I'd have been the same if we'd ended up winning it. Tomorrow is the next day onwards, etc. That also goes for the obsessing over stuff like 'we need a big name', or 'we must start acting like a big club'. It's all image related crap to me. You get the right people in charge and right personnel, whether that's someone from the Champions League or Sunday League. Be an expert at your craft, have enough knowledge and skill, and do enough things right and you will end up succeeding is my philosophy on it all.

Mourinho has question marks over his recent tenures, the shine of bringing a bit of success whilst everything burns and implodes around it doesn't last long. He has a considerable point to prove. But I do think he is eminently capable of winning matches and maybe even trophies with us and being a successful manager. I also hope that my fears are proved wrong and that we get a style of play that I can enjoy and want to watch and say positive things about each week. But on his track record, he wouldn't be my choice, on the parameters that I set and the way I judge and see football. It will be a very niche view, I admit, and most will be skim reading this thinking what a load of old bollocks, but it's my view.

I'll judge him as I have judged every other Spurs manager. If I like what I see I'll say it, if I don't like it then exactly the same. Win, lose or draw.
Really good post. I’ll add that what I’ve seen a lot on here and on Twitter is the the same as what I’ve seen in politics and the culture war. It’s people getting so obsessed with the “ends”, be that trophies, Brexit, socialism, whatever, that they’re prepared to justify any “means” and ignore anything they don’t like to get there. It’s a real unpalatable quality that I’m seeing everywhere at the moment.
 

Gardham90

Junior Member
Aug 2, 2010
517
1,150
I have to take issue, from my perspective at least, with the claims going around that people who don't want Mourinho are allergic or scared of winning and accepting of mediocrity. Bullshit. I have higher standards and am harder to please than pretty much every single one of you on here and basically every fan I know, whether Spurs win lose or draw.

I've said it a few times in recent weeks, but for me it comes down to how you view football. Foot-ball. As in the game itself. I knew already I saw things differently to most fans of the sport, but this change in manager and the opinion around it just reinforces that further. Most fans are casual watchers, they want to cheer goals, cheer wins, and cheer trophies. Fair enough, and I get that. Ask them how you go about that, not really fussed. In fact for a lot of fans I'd say they have no ability whatsoever to analyse a match or tell you what happened, but that's another discussion.......... But for me, increasingly so as I get older, I see football as art/entertainment. I watch for the 90 minutes of play and am interested in the intricacies, all the tactical and technical stuff and nuts and bolts of a performance. I have my tastes and standards as to what I feel is the way the game should be played and how I want the team(s) I support to play - in my case, I'm of the Cruyff/Spanish/Dutch style as my starting point in terms of ideas for the game. High line, high press, (intricate) possession, technical players, focus on youth and developing players etc.

It's not even just 'defensive/boring' football that I take issue with. As I said in a post last night there are plenty of 'exciting' football teams that don't do it for me either. Anyone on here at the time saw my thoughts about the lottery open bollocks football of Redknapp. I didn't rate quite a lot of Poch's stuff, even on a good day. Currently even though they look unbeatable and might storm the league I don't particularly like Klopp/Liverpool's style of play and wouldn't want it at Spurs. And so on. Everyone has their own tastes and opinions about how the game should be played and what they want to watch, or at least should have in my view. Mine are quite specific, and also hard to please I admit.

The analogy I used recently was that whilst everyone wants the end Result (ie. wins and trophies), I cant separate that from the Process (the actual football being played week in, week out, game after game) on the way to getting to it. That is my main focus because it is what I will be watching. Most fans are different, and can forgo what happened if they're happy with the outcome, but that's not really me.

I am as competitive and want to win as much as anyone, fucking believe me, but I don't get the obsession with 'needing a trophy' from the fans either. Like there is some eternal glory to be basked in if we win. It's a good day and occasion if it happens, that's about it in my eyes, then life goes on. I don't know maybe I just have enough other things that interest me beyond football, and I'm not an overly emotional person tbh, but it's not something I can get worked up over. I woke up the day after the CL final quite honestly over it. Not forgotten it, happy to be on here discussing and picking over it to the nth degree if required and giving my opinion, but it was done with. Truthfully I'd have been the same if we'd ended up winning it. Tomorrow is the next day onwards, etc. That also goes for the obsessing over stuff like 'we need a big name', or 'we must start acting like a big club'. It's all image related crap to me. You get the right people in charge and right personnel, whether that's someone from the Champions League or Sunday League. Be an expert at your craft, have enough knowledge and skill, and do enough things right and you will end up succeeding is my philosophy on it all.

Mourinho has question marks over his recent tenures, the shine of bringing a bit of success whilst everything burns and implodes around it doesn't last long. He has a considerable point to prove. But I do think he is eminently capable of winning matches and maybe even trophies with us and being a successful manager. I also hope that my fears are proved wrong and that we get a style of play that I can enjoy and want to watch and say positive things about each week. But on his track record, he wouldn't be my choice, on the parameters that I set and the way I judge and see football. It will be a very niche view, I admit, and most will be skim reading this thinking what a load of old bollocks, but it's my view.

I'll judge him as I have judged every other Spurs manager. If I like what I see I'll say it, if I don't like it then exactly the same. Win, lose or draw.

Genuine question here - not meaning to come across as condescending.

You have stated that you're a huge football fan. Would you be happy to watch other teams to get your 'Cruyff/Spanish/Dutch style' fix whilst watching Spurs win trophies playing football not quite to your taste? In this hypothetical scenario you get the best of both worlds.

Or will you only truly be happy if Spurs play the kind of football that you want, irrespective of winning trophies in the process?
 
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dontcallme

SC Supporter
Mar 18, 2005
33,988
81,929
absolutely, you wouldnt ?

Do you work somewhere where you like everyone ?
Your boss is not everyone. If a manager runs a team or company that does not fit you then leaving is an option.

Doesn't necessarily the manager is a bad boss or employee as having a poor character.
 

Curtis Peterson

Well-Known Member
Aug 21, 2013
376
983
We need new fullbacks and another younger CB who has room to grow but is ready to play first team minutes. I think we’ll keep Davies, but sell Aurier and Rose. I also have hope now that Alderweireld, Vertonghen and Eriksen will all sign new contracts. I think they’ll fit Mourinho’s system really well.

I agree with the overall point that this squad is really good with a lot of talented, hard workers and should offer Mourinho plenty to work with. Sad to see Poch go, but these are exciting times.
 

zx81

Active Member
Feb 8, 2005
994
150
I've not yet read all the pages but in my mind Levy has been after JM for a long a long time so those that say it's a bad partnership may well be way way off the mark.

In Levy I trust
 

rez9000

Any point?
Feb 8, 2007
11,942
21,098
Personally I'm flipping delighted. Poch has given us top 4 football but our trophy cabinet looks exactly as it did when he came. People talking about José and how the football is shit and atmosphere will become toxic.....which is precisely what has happened with Poch. The difference being we can't look back on his time with any silverware.

I honestly think he'll properly galvanise us. I honestly think it's an appointment which will prevent Kane from leaving. The top 5 clubs fans who already dislike us for being part of the top clubs in England will have reason to dislike us as we've one of the most successful managers ever.

All of a sudden playing Liverpool or City in the league and I'm not feeling they have a better manager than us. Just my opinion.

Come on you spurs! Let's get behind the team, because I'll tell you now, the players will believe they can win more than they ever have.
Our trophy cabinet does NOT look the same as when Poch arrived!






There's more dust on it these days.
 

spursfan77

Well-Known Member
Aug 13, 2005
46,680
104,957
In preseason I thought we looked good and back to our old selves. With players having a full preseason and proper rest I seriously thought that that plus losing the CL Final would push the players on to challenge closely for the title. I even put a fiver on us to win it. That was all backed on the basis of the players coming in and that we had a good squad.

While everything else has changed I still back my last sentence and have the whole time there has been talk of a refresh. We’ve good players in this squad. Although we still need some new fullbacks and a defensive midfielder.

At least Mourinho can sit down with all of them independently now and find out who wants in and who still wants out. It’s a clean slate for our group of very good players.
 

midge

Well-Known Member
Jul 28, 2011
400
784
Jose best Chelsea team had this

Cech
Bridge Carvalho Terry Ferrerira
Makelele
Lampard Essien
Robben Cole/Duff
Drogba/Gudjohnsen

If we were to fit what we have currently in the squad into this team, without the contract rebels, it might look like

Hugo/Gazza
Davies Sanchez Juan Aurier/KWP
Dier
Winks/LeCelso Tanguy/Sissoko
Son/Moura Ali/Lamela
Kane

Only concert here would be the lack of pace in our fullbacks
 
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