Jose Mourinho

[Joely]

Mourinho has been here for just over two weeks so realistically can't expect much and difficult to really have a proper go at him. Saying that, I do think he got it wrong yesterday and watching us felt like watching his Man Utd team towards the end of his reign there.

Longer term, I think Mourinho will stick to what he knows in terms of style. More chance of him pulling it off at us with his style due to the players available to him compared to his time at Utd. Apart from tweaks here and there, I would be surprised if he wavers too far from what he knows. In terms of personnel, I hope and think he will dispense with the Sissoko and Winks partnership.

 

[Newbops]

Hey, you can't be all pro exotic football manager, without knowing exotic football tactics. Growing up with Football Italia in the 90's was educational.

It's what the Italians call the two flanking midfielders in a 433. Aka Gattuso and Seedorf playing either side of Pirlo. Or Xavi and Iniesta either side of Busquets. Or Jose's own Lampard and Essien with Makelele.

Chuck Dier (or someone better) as the DM, then Winks and Sissoko can do what they do best; playmake and disrupt respectively.

For the record, and I've said as much in plenty of other places, Ndombele and Lo Celso would be ahead of both of those two for this system.

The problem with Sissoko and Winks in a three is that neither will score enough for that system so would be fighting for 1 role between them, probably competing with Ndombele too.

When you look at the strong teams that have used that system - you had Seedorf, Iniesta and Lampard who would get plenty of goals as the more attacking of the three. Lo Celso could be that more attacking player but we're pretty limited on other options unless Eriksen sorts himself out.

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

Poch was right - we need a painful rebuild.

Pointing out that Poch was right doesn't mean Mourinho isn't capable of doing that job.

Of course he is.

But maybe some people can just slow down with their shitting all over the Poch era.

And maybe some people can think twice before shitting all over the Mourinho era before he's even had a chance.

Onions.

Or maybe after 5 1/2 seasons Poch should never have left himself in a situation where he had to rebuild so vastly! Part of a managers job is to identify when someone needs replacing and to implement the changes incrementally as to ensure things don't become stop start. Can we really say a manager with a multi million pound squad that hadn't won anything in in the middle of his 6th season at a club like ours, one saying we are in for a long hard rebuild has or had done his job properly? Lloris has been on the decline for some time, Aurier most can see isn't and hasn't been good enough, Rose ain't the same, our midfield resembles something from a Titanic remake.

We have missed out on a huge number of good players who could have done a job. Maddison, Ndidi, Ricardo we all could have got. Mix that with Poch's desire to try and sign the likes of Schneiderlin, Berahino etc and it's clear that the previous regime simply was too loyal to assets depreciating in quality and value.

Jose has clearly got holes that need plugging in this team and until he finds a way of doing so, slating him for he previous regimes failures is too harsh, too unfair and too short sighted. Poch did great things but ultimately his blinkered ways regarding too many led to us losing vital ground. There are a few that should have been sold, Dier for £50m, Rose for decent money the summer Walker left, Tripper weeks after he scored in a World Cup semi final we could all see the time was then and their ceilings were what they were yet we didn't cash in and look to reinvest.

Jose needs and requires time. Anyone that believes otherwise is kidding themselves as to the state of our beloved football club. We aren't a million miles away but we ain't got what's required in our ranks collectively at present so expect an uphill task until we get certain talent identified and through the door.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

It surely has to mean he realises that some players just are nowhere near good enough.

Winks is a midtable player at best. He would be sold to Bournemouth if he was at Liverpool. Sissoko has some attributes but again, he would be a very rarely used squad player at Liverpool. You can already see the problem can't you. We are starting players in CM who simply are nowhere near the required quality, and then we act surprised when we play poorly.

Winks might give you one 8/10 game once or twice a season, that is it.

Sissoko had a fantastic season last season but he isn't good enough to be CM at the highest level.

We need to integrate GLC and Ndombele into the side and do it now.

It's insane we have over 100 million quid of CM talent sat on the bench and we are fucking playing Sissoko and Winks, its mindblowing.

Can GLC and Ndombele really be any worse than Winks and Sissoko? Even half fit, GLC and Tanguy have more talent in their little toe than Winks and Sissoko do.

I'm loathe to slag Sissoko off to much as he has his uses but generally 9 times out of 10 if you set up against the top 6 with Sissoko and Winks in your CM, you are fucked. Properly fucked. You are up against it from the off. Put it this way, if you were managing a top 6 side and came up against Spurs, and they picked Winks and Sissoko you'd be thinking, sweet. What a underwhelming CM that is.

Yes we have issues in defence too but our CM problem is the major major problem.

I don't agree with your winks opinion, he is a good player and still very young, so inconsistency is expected.

However if he is the only passer in the midfield and Sissoko is the other, it's easy to stop us. Just close down winks quickly and leave Sissoko and we don't create much.

We need to sacrifice Lucas and play 3 of winks, lo celso, ndombele, Skipp and eriksen.

If and it's a big if, dier regains form and fitness he is in with a shout.

It's glaringly obvious we should be targeting an energetic DM, unless Skipp can do it. Big ask for such a young lad though.

Keep aurier in his attacking position as Jose has done for width on the right.

 

[allatsea]

That is good to hear.
He's done the right thing so far by playing the more experienced better players to create a solid foundation and pick up a few wins but he now needs to build his team for the next 2-3 years or however long he stays to win something and I think its obvious to anyone never mind one of the best ever football managers that:
A) We need Lloris back or a new top glass GK
B) We need a new RB and probably CB, Aurier's concentration and decisionmaking is poor and we need to upgrade, Jan may be going and we will be light at CB + Jose probably still has a slight doubt over weather Sanchez is ready yet.
C) Sissoko and Winks are not good enough individually and CERTAINLY NOT as a paring in a 4-2-3-1, we need to get Ndombele fit and starting and/or if he's up to it and can get his form of a few years ago back then Dier fit and starting and either play Lo celso as an 8 next to a deeper DM or buy an actual top quality CM
D) We need to upgrade Lucas to someone who is a similar level or better than Son
E) We need a proper back-up striker to Kane who we can bring on to change to 4-4-2 when needed and so we can give Kane a rest occasionally even if just for 10-15 mins at the end of some games where we are coasting.

Its not a huge 're-build' but we do need 4-5 top players in order to have a team which Jose can mould to win something, if we stick with exactly what we have today and we aint winning anything anytime soon.

Most Spurs fans don’t have the patience for such a rebuild. Look at the criticism already coming Mourinho’s way whilst he tries to steady the ship.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Dele is playing so far forward at the moment he's not really playing as a no10 linking the midfield and attack but more as a striker. Considering Son and Lucas also playing far forward its like a 442 or even 424. We need an extra body in midfield and push Dele in the front 3 so 433 is necessary for us imo.

I think tinkering slightly and playing Dele as a number 8 like how Lampard played would be the best compromise.

 

[Gassin's finest]

The problem with Sissoko and Winks in a three is that neither will score enough for that system so would be fighting for 1 role between them, probably competing with Ndombele too.

When you look at the strong teams that have used that system - you had Seedorf, Iniesta and Lampard who would get plenty of goals as the more attacking of the three. Lo Celso could be that more attacking player but we're pretty limited on other options unless Eriksen sorts himself out.

Ye, I clearly say that Lo Celso and Ndombele would, in principle, be first choice in that system.

 

[Gassin's finest]

For fans the answer is always that whoever isn't playing should play. The line up most fans now think will solve our problems is some version of this:

Lo Celso
non-existent RB, Foyth, LoCelso, Sessegnon
Lo Celso Ndombele Lo Celso
Lo Celso, Kane, Son

Even if Lo Celso, Foyth and Sessegnon have a total of 180 minutes of PL fottie between them, so none of us really know what they are capable of in PL the season, but none the less they are your answer.

No Lamela... disappointing.

 

[Gassin's finest]

We're already getting the best out of him now though

Yes, by playing him practically as a forward. Which compromises the midfield. We're effectively playing a 424. So to get the best out of Dele, and keep the midfield secure, put him in a front 3. Its what Poch was doing back in 2015/16 and we nearly won a title.

 

[allatsea]

No Lamela... disappointing.

Has he retired ? Why we ever gave him a new contract I'll never know. He is never fit enough to string a few games together.

 

[buckley]

If Lamela had been fit the whole of this season for me we would have had a few more points he has the heart of a fighter and has always when on the field been kind of like the heartbeat of the side despite his limitations.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Most Spurs fans don’t have the patience for such a rebuild. Look at the criticism already coming Mourinho’s way whilst he tries to steady the ship.

Yea true but it’s not a huge rebuild it’s 4-5 players over 2 windows so if we recruit well it should be doable.
Also Jose has come in mid season with games thick and fast so little time to coach the team, give him until end of this season and a pre season and I think we could be flying at the start of next season with w few schrewed signings.

 

[Shadydan]

Most Spurs fans don’t have the patience for such a rebuild. Look at the criticism already coming Mourinho’s way whilst he tries to steady the ship.

From 1 or 2 idiots...that isn't most Spurs fans tbf.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

From 1 or 2 idiots...that isn't most Spurs fans tbf.

You sure?

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

The loss was squarely down to 2 individual fuck ups, none of which were Jose's doing.

More than two really, for the first goal especially... who the hell let Rashford come that far? Where the hell was Aurier?

 

[spursfan77]

I’m assuming he has a press conference today?

 

[SpursD22]

Mourinho must work with what he’s got as Levy rules out big spend

Jose Mourinho will have to fix Tottenham’s problems without spending big in January, after being told he will not be given funds to transform the squad next month.

www.standard.co.uk

From Dan KP

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Mourinho must work with what he’s got as Levy rules out big spend

Jose Mourinho will have to fix Tottenham’s problems without spending big in January, after being told he will not be given funds to transform the squad next month.

www.standard.co.uk

From Dan KP

We ain't gonna be challenging for jack shit this season unless we manage to remember how to play in the FA Cup again.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Dan KP was bang on in the summer so this is a worry. I can't see how the season would be anything but a write off if we did nothing in January. Maybe we could fluke a FA Cup but I can't see how we can solve our issues at DM or RB without signings. Unless Skipp and Foyth become overnight worldies.

Even worse when you consider Chelsea are likely to spend big in January now.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Dan KP was bang on in the summer so this is a worry. I can't see how the season would be anything but a write off if we did nothing in January. Maybe we could fluke a FA Cup but I can't see how we can solve our issues at DM or RB without signings. Unless Skipp and Foyth become overnight worldies.

Even worse when you consider Chelsea are likely to spend big in January now.

Utterly wasted season with shite form to boot in a brand new stadium. Unforgivable if you consider it all.