Jose Mourinho

[ralvy]

So, the other day they were showing a replay of the European super cup of 2013, between Mou's Chelsea and Pep's Bayern Munich. I remember watching that match back in 2013, but couldn't remember who the winner was (probably because at the time I was suffering from an ear infection which almost killed me).

Anyway, while watching that reply, I actually found myself rooting for Chelsea, just because Mou was their coach back then (and probably also because Pep was Bayern's coach). Seriously, just what the fuck is wrong with me?

 

[Shadydan]

 

[LeParisien]

I don't like people getting slagged off on here. From the point of Jose being judged though, clearly he is being judged differently to how a manager who is more favoured in the eyes of the individual is. He is a manager who has come in when the season is already underway, he has only just signed players that we assume he approved of and has had a continuous run of fixtures to deal with, which has minimised the amount of time that he has had on the training pitch to instill his ideas. He now has injuries to deal with.

Were we talking about a manager who is more acceptable to the fan(s) in question then the new manager would be afforded more time. The same courtesy should be extended to Jose. I am saying this as someone who didn't find Jose his cup of tea before but he's our manager now and deserves time.

Ultimately though, for all our support for Jose or not, it's only Levy that could pull the trigger anyway so it's academic to an extent.

I agree with you. Jose does deserve more time and we should judge him next season when he’s had a preseason and time to bri a few more in.

I think it's completely fair, people want him to fail therefore you want the team to fail...all because it justifies their opinion in the first place so they can be proved right. No idea why you took offence to that as it was clearly not aimed at you, you don't like him but you're willing to get behind the team which is fair, there are certain dickheads in this fanbase on here that want him to fail so he gets sacked, utter cockroaches.

As I said.. I haven’t seen these people who want him to fail but they may well exist. Put them in the same category of nutter who wanted Lo Celso sold 4-6 weeks ago or who think Gazzaniga should start over lloris.

 

[Ionman34]

Interested to see what kind of reception the Chelsea fans give him tomorrow.

If they started singing derogatory songs about him then that will sink them to a new low, if that's even possible

Chelsea Fans:

 

[JCRD]

Criticism doesnt mean people want Jose sacked or not to succeed.

I have criticised his approach to games but I dont want him fired and want him to succeed - dammit I want us to win the CL argh

 

[Shadydan]

Criticism doesnt mean people want Jose sacked or not to succeed.

I have criticised his approach to games but I dont want him fired and want him to succeed - dammit I want us to win the CL argh

Again that angle isn't aimed at you in that case.

 

[JCRD]

Again that angle isn't aimed at you in that case.

I didnt take it personally but I meant in general. Obviously if someone is aiming a personal attack at a manager then year you an argue that individual wants him to fail and actually doesnt like him. The majority want Spurs to succeed and it isnt pleasant when you see your team being pummelled by attack after attack...

I look at Arsenal yesterday and appreciate they have their players fit but already you can start to see an identity whereas with us, if this will be our identity going forward then this may not last. I digress but though tthe reason of bringing this Joao Sacramento guy in was to be more inventive in his approach... All about time I guess...

 

[Gilzeanking]

Also, a bit of a simplification from Hoddle. As with a lot of these damning prognostications about that match, they tend to gloss over a few player issues in the first half. Mainly, that we were also contending with a ton of mistakes and lolly gagging from Winks, Aurier, Dele... And to a lesser extent Fernandes and Davies. Jose can't be personally responsible for when players start to make basic errors and start with almost no intensity. There's a reason why Dele pitched a hissy when he was subbed off, cos he knew just how piss poor he was (again).

We also need to acknowledge that we simply don't have the players to dominate a game like this. If Jose had a Dembele (moussa), Wanyama, Walker, Rose, Vertonghen, Harry, Eriksen, Sonny and Lamela all in their pomp then he would apply different tactics. You take all of the aforementioned at their best three years ago, and they would replace all of those that started in their respective positions againt RB. The gulf in quality between those players, is immense. This is not the same Spurs team. We are nowhere near the level of that team from three years ago.

So, we deal with the hand we are dealt and must be realistic about where we are right now. I don't fault the manager for the tactics or the result on Wednesday. Cos in my mind, we are not as good as RB. A fine team, in very fine form. We are a rebuilding, transitioning team that has been slogging our way through games for the better part of 18 months. This is our reality and I've certainly adjusted my expectations accordingly.

Concur with many of your points , RB a v good team , (tho we are at home with a general 'home advantage' )

But we play like this against everybody Soton Brighton you name it . Surely your recalibration of your expectations doesn't mean we must play full defence vs the weakest teams too ?

 

[buckley]

Just like to remind everybody who is on the " Hoddle was a foreword thinking coach " his management period with us was awful and from what I remember his man management was even worse .
Just because he was a great player it does not mean we should gloss over his terrible time with us .

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

I think a lot of the changes he has made have worked and have helped us get results. We’ve maybe gone a little too far with the long balls out from the back and need to swing back toward a better balance but he’s not really had a lot of time to fine tune it and he hasn’t had a stable midfield to work through.

Toby’s long balls have brought plenty of success in the past but they came with an element of surprise because they were few and far between. They are now easy to pick up and defend against because they are too regular and into the same space. with the lack of target player for the long balls I think Toby should be aiming those balls out a little wider (rather than into a 5ft8 Lucas). If he mixed those more with distribution into winks and Lo Celso then they’d be far less predictable.

even if we had a striker up top, playing this way would have been hard. We’ve really struggled to get quality into the forward players. It’s really only a few tweaks away and we’ve been getting results for the most part.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

It would be great if everyone could get behind the manager players club and we are all pulling in the same direction.

Mourinho is all about the result, that's fine when you're winning however questions will be asked if we watch a certain type of football and lose...we start hearing from the usual suspects myself including defending and attacking elements of the team players etc.

I would love Mourinho to adjust the tactics so that we attract laterally from the flanks in space with Moura Bergwijn with Dele and Lo Celso or Ndombele breaking to support. At the moment that long ball for Moura to fight for isn't the way imo.

With no recognised first team striker and a reluctance to use an inexperienced one Mourinho should be a bit more flexible the Chelsea game is now massive for a number of reasons... our approach the result can we score.

Just like to remind everybody who is on the " Hoddle was a foreword thinking coach " his management period with us was awful and from what I remember his man management was even worse .
Just because he was a great player it does not mean we should gloss over his terrible time with us .

Any coach who had to rely on a squad of geriatrics would have been challenged. It would be interesting to see how Hoddle would fair managing this squad.

 

[DiamondLites]

My biggest gripe is how we have approached games, giving the opposition way too much respect and the players look scared until at some point in the match, they realise they’re better than them and they start to play with some conviction and intent. Is this a deliberate rope-a-dope tactic? Is it down to how players are prepped for games? The signals from the coaching staff? Is Jose’s games ‘siege mentality’ just giving our players a bit of an inferiority complex?

Jose gets a bit of a pass with the direct tactics to some extent given the situation he came into, and the mounting injury situation but the approach and mentality to games has been awful. Sooner or later a team is going to take some chances in these early stages and give us a shoeing

 

[Flashspur]

Just some things for people who are all angry and bitter:

1 - Mourinho has been in charge for just under 3 months.......that's it.
2 - He has had one Winter Transfer window.....that's it.
3 - He has lost his two best players in Kane & Son - imagine Liverpool without Mane & Salah......
4 - Apart from Liverpool & Man City (who both have insanely expensive squads), he has won more points than any other manager since taking over.
5 - Our defence has improved since before he joined. Under Poch we conceded 27 goals in 18 games at a rate of 1.5g/g. Under Mourinho we have conceded 28 goals in 21 games at a rate of 1.3g/g.
6 - Our points tally has drastically improved from Poch at 1.2p/g to Mourinho at 1.8p/g (doing this without Kane for the most part).

Final point, for those stating that Mourinho only wins with money, that can be labelled at every manager who has had sustained victories. Look at Klopp, widely regarded as the greatest coach in the world, who has the worlds most expensive GK & CB, Wijnaldum at £25m, Ox at £35m Fabinho at £40m, Keita at £50m, Mane at £37m, Salah at £45m & Firmino at £36m. Just adding these players alone (there are 9 other signings he has made that add up to £100m), it totals £405m, which is an insane amount. With all players, over half a billion pounds spent....!

I think he deserves time and the band wagon people jump on as soon as we struggle in a game is getting seriously boring. It may almost be worth someone starting the "Lets moan about Mourinho" thread so that the rest of us don't have to scroll through pages and pages of "this is what I was worried about...." or "typical anti football Mourinho...." or "this/that manager would be better.....".

Brilliant idea. Who is going to start the "Lets moan about Mourinho" thread?

 

[scat1620]

Maybe we just want to be entertained watching our team play. It's what Tottenham is all about.

Winning football matches entertains me, however it's done, and we've hired one of the best managers in the world at doing that. I'm hoping that's what Tottenham becomes all about.

 

[hamsup_sotong]

My biggest gripe is how we have approached games, giving the opposition way too much respect and the players look scared until at some point in the match, they realise they’re better than them and they start to play with some conviction and intent. Is this a deliberate rope-a-dope tactic? Is it down to how players are prepped for games? The signals from the coaching staff? Is Jose’s games ‘siege mentality’ just giving our players a bit of an inferiority complex?

Jose gets a bit of a pass with the direct tactics to some extent given the situation he came into, and the mounting injury situation but the approach and mentality to games has been awful. Sooner or later a team is going to take some chances in these early stages and give us a shoeing

I think hes choosing the tactics due to the personnel available..

We cant overpress due to the lack of bodies out top...

Our forwards apart from "ice ice" stevie dont seem to have to strength to hold off opposing cbs and are better running at

We dont have that specialist dm to win the ball back immediately

Gio is the only one in the mf who can take on the ball and beat a man consistently

Ndombele can only last 20-30mins atm

Only tactics he can play atm are keeping it tight at the back going quickly on the counter with our pace and then going for the jugular with ndombele on during the last 30 when the oppostion tires

Not the most aesthetically pleasing way of playing.. but certainly the most effective


In addtion to this, im sure that this is an audtion of sorts for the players..he'll be ruthless and get rid of the players that arent a good fit of the system or give him their all in the summer

 

[Gilzeanking]

So this writer in the Guardian thinks Jose may have gone a tad far in the presser re Dele 'Not angry with me ,he knows why he came off
and we were better after he went'
Possibly true , but as writer say its a 'Bold move' ! . Jose does get into battles with certain players over his career and how these tiffs start may be something like this .
Mebbe this will work in motivating Dele...but I do wonder if effort is not Dele's prob..its more confidence . Fingers crossed .

Dele Alli still looking for his role within José Mourinho's Tottenham | Jonathan Liew

By taking off star playmaker during Champions League game, Tottenham manager risks fracturing his confidence

www.theguardian.com

 

[fletch82]

So this writer in the Guardian thinks Jose may have gone a tad far in the presser re Dele 'Not angry with me ,he knows why he came off
and we were better after he went'
Possibly true , but as writer say its a 'Bold move' ! . Jose does get into battles with certain players over his career and how these tiffs start may be something like this .
Mebbe this will work in motivating Dele...but I do wonder if effort is not Dele's prob..its more confidence . Fingers crossed .

Dele Alli still looking for his role within José Mourinho's Tottenham | Jonathan Liew

By taking off star playmaker during Champions League game, Tottenham manager risks fracturing his confidence

www.theguardian.com

He had a bad game he got subbed if that's going to destroy his confidence maybe he should take up crochet instead.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

So this writer in the Guardian thinks Jose may have gone a tad far in the presser re Dele 'Not angry with me ,he knows why he came off
and we were better after he went'
Possibly true , but as writer say its a 'Bold move' ! . Jose does get into battles with certain players over his career and how these tiffs start may be something like this .
Mebbe this will work in motivating Dele...but I do wonder if effort is not Dele's prob..its more confidence . Fingers crossed .

Dele Alli still looking for his role within José Mourinho's Tottenham | Jonathan Liew

By taking off star playmaker during Champions League game, Tottenham manager risks fracturing his confidence

www.theguardian.com

The Guardian have been nitpicking Mourinho since he joined us. Usually they run with an emotive headline that sounds like Mourinho has said or done something outrageous, but when you track through the article, you soon realise what’s been written isn’t true, or it’s exaggerated or just obvious bias

 

[wrd]

Yes because if there's one thing Dele is known for it's a weak mentality

 

[JimmyG2]

He had a bad game he got subbed if that's going to destroy his confidence maybe he should take up crochet instead.

Getting the ball
through those little hoops
can be very frustrating too