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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

slartibartfast

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We all knew this would happen. Lets not pretend we didn't. Lots of us didn't want him, I was dead against it because of the football style he plays and because he can be a proper prick. However now he's in he's not going anywhere for at least 12 months and so far he's not been a prick but also he's our prick. The rest of this season is going to be painful. If he doesn't play Parrot in the FA Cup game I don't think he will. I'll hold of judgement until he's had a summer window and preseason.
He might be a prick but he's our fkin prick.
Fk that made me laugh out loud .
 

slartibartfast

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So we all agree we've a shit squad which isnt JMs fault, or even the Romans (its Levys), and it would be very difficult to get the team doing anything amazing this season anyway whoever was in charge.
We're all prepared to give him several months into next season and see where we are before we nail him up.
Some didnt want him.
Some did.
And some think we're fked.
The football has been piss poor.
Some think we could do better.
Some dont.
That about cover it? Marvellous.
Right, I'm off to bed.
COYS.
 

DCSPUR

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Opinions is one thing, but irrationality is another. Lamela not fit, as JM said in his presser, TN still struggling with injury that he has had all season. Our now 2 main strikers out, Moussa out. I just cannot understand what people expect with the football we have to watch. We have pundits chipping in now. Let’s just sack JM now then. Why the f can we not just be grateful we are not in a relegation scrap. That is how it was when he come in. We were extremely offensive early doors, until injuries crept in.

This season I take what we get, and hope for changes in the summer. Only then can you judge him.
honestly, while I am deeply disappointed with Levy's central role in us losing the best manager in the 40+ years I have supported the club, I can't blame Jose for the current on field mess. Also not convinced that the summer will make a difference. The new contract for Toby is evidence of that. Not a single rival came in and made him an offer better than ours. And yet Levy gladly signed him up to save money. He'd have given Eriksen a new deal as well. It is money, money, money. Aurier lingering around. Offer still on the table for Verts (who I feel has been a very good servant but its time for him to go). New deal for Sissoko. That Siss played in a CL final says a lot about his heart and Poch. But again, should he have got that deal - not if Levy is ready for a rebuild targeting a title.
 

DCSPUR

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Im not so sure, if I was footing the bill I'm not sure I'd have bankrolled another Poch 5 year cycle, considering the last one ended completely potless.
Was Jose the right choice? far too early to say, but considering the rumours that if Poch stayed then some of our big hitters wanted out...I can see why Levy made the choice he did considering one of the most successful managers in the modern game was available and interested.

And all the posters moaning about the style of play and pining for Poch seem to have conveniently forgotten how awful we were to watch for most of last season and this season.
If we are still watching the same negative stuff into next season then yeah, have a moan.

the reason for the moaning is that we, Poch and every neutral pundit out there had been urging investment in the squad while Poch had us flying!
And yet, for eg, as the entire engine room succumbed to injury and illness (Wanyama, Dembele, Dier), Levy farked around.

Baffled at the support baldy gets.

Anyway, Poch is gone. And Jose is going to go medieval this summer if baldy doesn't get some of the dross out and real quality in.

He isn't going to linger around trying to patch this group up if he does not get exactly what he wants.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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He's shit. He's s shit man and nowadays he's a shit manager. His tactics are out-dated, this passive nonsense doesn't work against even decent teams anymore. And he can't coach the players it seems - there's no defensive organisation and no cohesion going forward.

His main tactic seems to be hope the opposition miss the chances they get and hope one of our talented attackers gets something. So basically, to get lucky and we've been generally lucky. But it's not a sustainable model.

And the constant excuse making and claims of having no other options is pathetic. It's a losers mentality. And that's what he is nowadays - a loser.

If you make a mistake, the best response is to admit it and rectify it as soon as possible. That's what Levy needs to do. Appointing Mourinho was a mistake, now he needs to swallow his pride and fix it.

It's a losers mentality is it? The guy you're slating has won more trophies than we have in our entire history. Maybe, just matbe he knows a little more about what he's doing than you. A trophy at every club he's gone to and more Chamoions League medals than Klopp and Pep have ever mustered but yeah. The blokes a loser. Ridiculous mind set after 3 months of having him in charge of the club.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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the reason for the moaning is that we, Poch and every neutral pundit out there had been urging investment in the squad while Poch had us flying!
And yet, for eg, as the entire engine room succumbed to injury and illness (Wanyama, Dembele, Dier), Levy farked around.

Baffled at the support baldy gets.

Anyway, Poch is gone. And Jose is going to go medieval this summer if baldy doesn't get some of the dross out and real quality in.

He isn't going to linger around trying to patch this group up if he does not get exactly what he wants.

Season 17/18 - £110m worth of incomings.
Season 18/19 - £0
Season 19/20 - £160m worth of incomings.

Averages out to £90m worth of incomings across each season for 3 years. I ask you this.... has money been invested or poor choices with that money been made somewhat? See why baldy gets support occasionally when you break the numbers down? Not to mention we are already £500m paid off on a stadium project costing £1.2bn. Do you think that £500m or so was found cleaning out someone's garage mate?
 

dtxspurs

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Opinions is one thing, but irrationality is another. Lamela not fit, as JM said in his presser, TN still struggling with injury that he has had all season. Our now 2 main strikers out, Moussa out. I just cannot understand what people expect with the football we have to watch. We have pundits chipping in now. Let’s just sack JM now then. Why the f can we not just be grateful we are not in a relegation scrap. That is how it was when he come in. We were extremely offensive early doors, until injuries crept in.

This season I take what we get, and hope for changes in the summer. Only then can you judge him.
As I said the other day... Chelsea started without their two top scoring strikers, two best wingers and no Kante. They kicked our fucking ass. We don't have Kane, Son and we can't complete passes, build any attacks, etc. We can't play good football cause we're missing Moussa Sissoko?! Lamela is perpetually injured the idea of ever relying on him is asinine. I don't buy that we can't look halfway decent given the players still available.
 
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Except that we pretty much were playing exactly the same way when we had Kane and Son.
Take for example the home game against Chelsea, stats very much match yesterday (except they had slightly more possession) and had 13 shots to our 5, as opposed to the 17 against 5 yesterday), and the performance was just as bad.
Different line ups? Man sent off? Blimey if stats eh?

Keep swinging.
 
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But when Poch initially took us over sure the results weren’t always there but there were obviously signs of an attractive style of play which came to fruition over the next few seasons however with Jose it’s clear to see the plan but the plan doesn’t look attractive or enjoyable football.

Also you say 3 months of work but that would be ignoring Jose’s previous job where man.u fans were sick and tired of the style of football as it didn’t fit with man.utds identity and I think we are already seeing our fans starting to feel the same and many said this would be the case before he even started working with the team.
What? They weren't pissing and moaning when they finished second and won two pots, throw in the fact look where they are now ... Seriously you just keep saying this shit about identity, it's just a tired, worn out old load of bollocks if I am honest. United under Ferguson ground out results year in year out to win stuff.

Stop living in the past with rose tinted glasses.

I remember the Everton game, wasn't there a lot of noise about Poch and his future? Harry wins the ball near the half way line, we score, things are suddenly looking up. Before that though ...

Our fans are delusional.
 
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As I said the other day... Chelsea started without their two top scoring strikers, two best wingers and no Kante. They kicked our fucking ass. We don't have Kane, Son and we can't complete passes, build any attacks, etc. We can't play good football cause we're missing Moussa Sissoko?! Lamela is perpetually injured the idea of ever relying on him is asinine. I don't buy that we can't look halfway decent given the players still available.
They really didn't kick our fucking ass. Fucking hell. We got beat.

Why is it people like you go ott to try and prove a point, I wouldn't mind but you rarely find anything good to say about Tottenham as a whole, all you do is find fault, moan and pick arguments about all the right things on here day in day out.

Amazing what a striker can do for a team isn't it? Even a washed up old Giroud makes a difference compared to a team playing Moura as a front man.

You weren't on here a week ago pissing an moaning. Amazing what stringing together results will do for a clubs fans vs a couple a losses.

Thank fuck there's nearly a week until our next game. The group think tank will hopefully hate the next team line up because the last one went down a treat and no one liked the outcome.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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As I said the other day... Chelsea started without their two top scoring strikers, two best wingers and no Kante. They kicked our fucking ass. We don't have Kane, Son and we can't complete passes, build any attacks, etc. We can't play good football cause we're missing Moussa Sissoko?! Lamela is perpetually injured the idea of ever relying on him is asinine. I don't buy that we can't look halfway decent given the players still available.

If you haven't grasped how different our model is to Chelsea's by now then honestly you probably never will.

To put it in very brief context about their ability to have depth...Chelsea's top 5 transfer fees paid combined = £292.95m, Tottenham's top 5 transfer fees paid combined = £191.7m, over £100m difference right there. Their top 10 combined = £480.04m , our top 10 cmbomed = £322.56m, just shy of £160m worth of difference right there so you can see how it continues as the list continues to grow. I could go on etc but I think you get the jist.

The left a £35.1m striker in the form of Batshuayi out of their matchday squad, only 3 Spurs signing ever made in our history have surpassed that figure (Lo Celso, Sanchez & Ndombele). Even without Hudson-Odoi, Pedro and Pulisic they could afford to have Willian, a 69 capped Brazil International on their bench, alongside the worlds most expensive goalkeeper of all time.

Maybe this will give you a good insight as to the depth they can have and do have compared to us. We were also playing our 3rd game in 6 days, Chelsea their 2nd in 5 days. Which club do you expect based on those matters of interest do you expect to be in better shape to win the game?

When we get injuries it really harms us, when Chelsea get injuries the depth they have as a second string covers them in spades. They have the owner and the clout to do so, we don't.
 

Metalhead

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Season 17/18 - £110m worth of incomings.
Season 18/19 - £0
Season 19/20 - £160m worth of incomings.

Averages out to £90m worth of incomings across each season for 3 years. I ask you this.... has money been invested or poor choices with that money been made somewhat? See why baldy gets support occasionally when you break the numbers down? Not to mention we are already £500m paid off on a stadium project costing £1.2bn. Do you think that £500m or so was found cleaning out someone's garage mate?
Whether money hasn't been invested or money has been invested but poorly still leaves us in the same situation vis a vis the current team and its weaknesses. If it is the latter then DL needs to be looking at how we can be more effective with transfers.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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Whether money hasn't been invested or money has been invested but poorly still leaves us in the same situation vis a vis the current team and its weaknesses. If it is the latter then DL needs to be looking at how we can be more effective with transfers.

Yes he can but Poch wanted full ownership of it, Sir Alex Ferguson style which Levy gave him after numerous Director of Football's came and went. He has spent the fifth highest net spend in the 19/20 transfer windows globally (€141m net spend and that's not including the potential Gedson permanent fee if we were to take up the option to do so).

Since we moved into the new stadium we have spent very well, if we want to point at someone to blame regarding our lack of a striker to fill in when Kane and Son aren available then I think we need to be looking at those wihnthe shopping lists on how to spend that money given to them.

I think we have spent well on good players but ultimately we are short innan area everyone had concerns about. Was the £30m spent this window on Gedson & Bergwijn wisely invested in those two instead of someone different to help us in the here and now? Time will tell I guess.
 

Trotter

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Different line ups? Man sent off? Blimey if stats eh?

Keep swinging.

but hold on, your whole argument for the last few days was we wouldn’t play as badly as that, and in that style if we had Kane and Son, and I have just proved to you that we did against the same opponents just 6 weeks ago. We were already 2 down before a player was dismissed by the way, so that doesn’t come into it.
Opposition, home or away, what team we put out, it doesn’t matter, at the moment our game plan is the same and has been for last 3 months, we are basically playing roulette, and hoping that our attackers can somehow produce a rabbit out of a hat and score more goals than opponents given half the chances that we let the opponents have.
I want to give Jose chance to see what he can do with a few more players of his choosing in the summer, but at the moment it really is appalling football.
I don’t mind taking one step backwards if it means we will take 2 steps forward down the line, However there has to be some glimmer of light with the way we are playing, at the moment there isn’t.
 
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ToDarrenIsToDo

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but hold on, your whole argument for the last few days was we wouldn’t play as badly as that, and in that style if we had Kane and Son, and I have just proved to you that we did against the same opponents just 6 weeks ago. We were already 2 down before a player was dismissed by the way, so that doesn’t come into it.
Opposition, home or away, what team we put out, it doesn’t matter, at the moment our game plan is the same and has been for last 3 months, we are basically playing roulette, and hoping that our attackers can somehow produce a rabbit out of a hat and score more goals than opponents given half the chances that we let the opponents have.
I want to give Jose chance to see what he can do with a few more players of his choosing in the summer, but at the moment it really is appalling football

Teams can have good games and had games you know, it's not all an exact science, that's what makes it such a beautiful game.

The same team that lost 2-0 at home to Chelsea, the same squad went nearly a WHOLE YEAR without an away victory. Not exactly a team brimming with the good stuff regardless of if you've got Mourinho, a wizard or a genie in charge. The impatience amongst our fanbase astounds me.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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Exactly this.
Imagine if Ajax or Barcelona set up like this in home games for example, Jose would be out the door 5mins into the first match.

Now whilst we are neither as successful as Ajax or Barcelona our supposed ethos is “to dare is to do” and as the great Danny Blanchlower said “"The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom."

Now I’ll admit I was open to the idea of Jose based on the fact I’ve supported and followed spurs religiously for 30 years and seen us win pretty much naff all, especially in the past 15 years so I was willing to mabye sacrifice some style of play for a chance of a trophy but I’ll also admit that it’s taken a grand total of 3 months for me to now not even want to watch our matches out of pure bordem. Im sorry but this is harder to watch than anything even under AVB for example, we literally play anti possession and the worst bit is our players are just not suited to it.

Yes his results have been fairly good on the whole so credit to him for that but we’ve also been outplayed or dominate by : Wolves, Norwich, Southamptonx2, Chelsea x2, Man.U, Liverpool, Man.City and we got lucky in a few other games as well.

Personally I think those who adamantly said Jose was completely the wrong fit for our club were correct, this is going to only get more toxic over the next few weeks and months as players get more tired with a lack of options to rotate in and also tired and frustrated by being told to go out and play anti-football. I hoped it wasnt true but I think Jose is a busted flush but mainly it’s just so so hard to put up watching this kind of football and as the guys on the ESPN analysis said if we had Kane and or Son against Chelsea it likely wouldn’t have made a bit of difference to how we set-up and the style of football we played.

Jose Mourinho is a busted flush? Unreal what I read about football this day and age but then it shouldn't surprise me.

We've have Guardiola become Fraudiola and then back to being deemed the best manager in the world blah blah blah, Wenger become a has been only for Emery to come in and get people saying how great Wenger was, we've had people call Kane a one season wonder, we've had people write Dele off when he's still young enough to play for our u23 team.

Our squad averaged a point a game for nearly a year. Ask yourself this, if Mourinho had come in and completely revolutionised that bunch of players would that have been the end of Pochettino as a manager? Does a deaf person suddenly start hearing things because another person is talking to him? The nucleus is the same, it needs time to develop both new philosophies and new additions. Both take time and money and both need to be balanced with the most crucial thing for the here and now....points on the board.

Ultimately football is just 11 men vs 11 men, both groups trying to get the ball in the other ones net. Why do we act like it's all of a sudden a game of complex and intricate processes aligned to that of a rocket scientists say to day duties.

As a fan base honestly it's time to accept Jose now, he's here he's done well points wise so far. If we want a good team we need to back him and we need to give the club our love and support instead of constantly trying to pick holes in all of its perfectionism. We're a better fan base than many of us are acting and as you said a few will turn toxic as being able to 'say they were right' means more to them than being the 12th man.

Fire in the belly time again Spurs fans, don't turn into dickheads will you we're better than that. He's 3 months in he simply requires and deserves far more time than you're giving him it really is not fair.
 

dtxspurs

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If you haven't grasped how different our model is to Chelsea's by now then honestly you probably never will.

To put it in very brief context about their ability to have depth...Chelsea's top 5 transfer fees paid combined = £292.95m, Tottenham's top 5 transfer fees paid combined = £191.7m, over £100m difference right there. Their top 10 combined = £480.04m , our top 10 cmbomed = £322.56m, just shy of £160m worth of difference right there so you can see how it continues as the list continues to grow. I could go on etc but I think you get the jist.

The left a £35.1m striker in the form of Batshuayi out of their matchday squad, only 3 Spurs signing ever made in our history have surpassed that figure (Lo Celso, Sanchez & Ndombele). Even without Hudson-Odoi, Pedro and Pulisic they could afford to have Willian, a 69 capped Brazil International on their bench, alongside the worlds most expensive goalkeeper of all time.

Maybe this will give you a good insight as to the depth they can have and do have compared to us. We were also playing our 3rd game in 6 days, Chelsea their 2nd in 5 days. Which club do you expect based on those matters of interest do you expect to be in better shape to win the game?

When we get injuries it really harms us, when Chelsea get injuries the depth they have as a second string covers them in spades. They have the owner and the clout to do so, we don't.
Yeah, Chelsea’s lineup Saturday that was built off their spending prowess...
 
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but hold on, your whole argument for the last few days was we wouldn’t play as badly as that, and in that style if we had Kane and Son, and I have just proved to you that we did against the same opponents just 6 weeks ago. We were already 2 down before a player was dismissed by the way, so that doesn’t come into it.
Opposition, home or away, what team we put out, it doesn’t matter, at the moment our game plan is the same and has been for last 3 months, we are basically playing roulette, and hoping that our attackers can somehow produce a rabbit out of a hat and score more goals than opponents given half the chances that we let the opponents have.
I want to give Jose chance to see what he can do with a few more players of his choosing in the summer, but at the moment it really is appalling football.
I don’t mind taking one step backwards if it means we will take 2 steps forward down the line, However there has to be some glimmer of light with the way we are playing, at the moment there isn’t.
So now it's not the stats it's the players at hand, which argument do you want to pitch?

We played better in the first game than the one just gone. That's my residing memory, correlation again I would say but let's not. Let's just continue to say the 'give jose a chance ... ' line then continue all the reasons why you can't.

Circles.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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Yeah, Chelsea’s lineup Saturday that was built off their spending prowess...

Yes, their spending prowess and their fantastic youth players, you know the ones they got when carrying out underhanded tactics enticing youth players to their club, you know, the methods they have been carrying out for years to attract the top youngsters that they were found guilty of and were given a transfer ban for. Those youngsters that were always getting tapped up, parents given things that weren't in line with FIFA/UEFA guidelines which gave Chelsea an illegal and unfair advantage securing them. Those youngsters.

Mix that with their far greater ability to spend and it's clear to anyone how they were favourites on Saturday. If you don't believe me just look at any bookmakers website and it will tell you who they thought the clear favourites were.

Chelsea can pay Andreas Christensen the same as we were paying Toby Alderweireld. Mason Mount earns roughly the same as Giovani Lo Celso. I wonder why they always attract the finest young players all the way from Exeter to Denmark and Brazil.
 
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yusrisafri

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Aston Villa, Watford, Southampton. We won all those games, but were totally outclassed, played our negstive brand of hoof and hope football, and we were extremely lucky on all 3 occasions.

Mourinho's excuses were that thats the best way we could play with kane n son out injured, hinting that the players that we have are not good enough.

The problem is, we have more internationals than villa, soton and watford, but yet they played better football than us.

These are just excuses and excuses from Mourinho.
 
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