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How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

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Aston Villa, Watford, Southampton. We won all those games, but were totally outclassed, played our negstive brand of hoof and hope football, and we were extremely lucky on all 3 occasions.

Mourinho's excuses were that thats the best way we could play with kane n son out injured, hinting that the players that we have are not good enough.

The problem is, we have more internationals than villa, soton and watford, but yet they played better football than us.

These are just excuses and excuses from Mourinho.
Not sure what you were watching against Villa, but we opened them up with some decent football - we just couldn't finish. It hasn't always been hoof ball, that's more shite peddled on here as a truth.

No clue what people want anymore, but alot of you have clearly made your minds up and I am not sure how you can be that picky considering the fact the clamor has been for multiple seasons now that the only thing missing is silverware - turns out that's also bollocks.

What you seemingly want is a fairy tale.
 

totty

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Not sure what you were watching against Villa, but we opened them up with some decent football - we just couldn't finish. It hasn't always been hoof ball, that's more shite peddled on here as a truth.

No clue what people want anymore, but alot of you have clearly made your minds up and I am not sure how you can be that picky considering the fact the clamor has been for multiple seasons now that the only thing missing is silverware - turns out that's also bollocks.

What you seemingly want is a fairy tale.


Indeed mate, indeed. Well Said.

Lots of self-entitled individuals around in modern society that live in cloud care bear land.

These people wants a good looking, rich, driven, faithful, kind, love your parents, love you, type as a partner that only exists in K-Dramas

This is the real world where we face all sorts of obstacles be it budgets, playing staff, injuries, agents and fixture congestion, not FM where you can simply buy players in 3 clicks.

We were calling for for Poch to show tactical flexibility, now we have tactical flexibility, people moan we are negative.
We were calling for new signings to play immediately, now that we have new signings, people moan that we were linked with Benteke & Balotelli.
We were calling for no fluffing about in the backline, now we haven conceded any error leading to goals, people moan we are playing long ball


How many of us woulda taken a point on sat if offered before kickoff?
i know i would.

The plan was to stifle them for 60 mins with Long balls to exploit Lucas' and Stevie's pace before unleashing Dele and Erik. Just that it didn't work on Sat when it worked vs City.

Neither Levy nor Jose wants us to fail, Jose's been moaning about fixture scheduling which is a fact, hit with injuries to his best forwards which is a fact, hit with contractual situations which is also a fact.

He's doing the best for the club and himself, so we as fans should to get behind him and the team.
 
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BringBack_leGin

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  1. For all these accusations of hoofball, I don’t recall one goal under Jose scored by lumping it to a centre forward to knock down for someone else to score.
  2. The goal that gave many of us fans born in the 80s onwards our single greatest moment as Spurs fans, the winner v Ajax, was the result of actual hoofball.
 

totty

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Pochettino shouldn't be mentioned in this thread at all, he's gone, he's history as far as we are concerned.

Using the excuse that performances or results were worse under him is just sugar coating the mess of a team we are right now. I'd compare it to the sitting Government blaming all their problems and inadequacies on the previous regime.



That's sooooo right!

Jesus, Pochy's goodwill with the fans are starting to be a monkey on our back and some fans are simply behaving like Bindippers and Manure fans who are constantly living in da past!
 

E17yid

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  1. For all these accusations of hoofball, I don’t recall one goal under Jose scored by lumping it to a centre forward to knock down for someone else to score.
  2. The goal that gave many of us fans born in the 80s onwards our single greatest moment as Spurs fans, the winner v Ajax, was the result of actual hoofball.

Oh come on, it was like the 96th minute. Bit different no.
 

Johnny J

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Ranieri/Leicester can also be used to aid the argument I was making about the nuts and bolts of our tactical work not being good enough, which the manager should be criticised for.

If that Leicester team were sat in a deep block and won the ball back, Vardy would just immediately spin and run for the ball over the top/down the channel from Drinkwater (primarily) or Mahrez. Just totally drilled into them - win it, ball goes to either of those two, Vardy has made the run so play it. They scored numerous goals in this fashion catching teams out.

Leipzig game was primed for something similar. Them pushed up and with an aggressive press, their whole team just drilled to go one way in every aspect - forward and on the front foot. Trying to go into the feet of the front man constantly just helped them with this. I'd be fairly sure that they'd have looked more uncomfortable and it would have given them something to think about if we'd had the option for a rapid ball over the top, and then the knock on effect is they maybe start to have second thoughts, step out of the backline and press less aggressively, and space starts to open up for others in the midfield/attack to gather the ball in easier circumstances.

To my mind this is stuff that should have been absolutely drilled into them on the training ground in the days before. You work with someone like Moura, on the training pitch, using video analysis, whatever, explaining what you want from him and what he needs to do when we win the ball back. It should be a priority focus, given the need for an outball when sitting deep and our depleted attacking stocks forcing us to readjust.

It's not that I'd then be expecting goals etc. doing this, or for the players to successfully carry out these instructions, but I do want some evidence of trying to put said example of a plan into action. Evidence of players making that immediate spin and run, players making the early pass because they expect the runner to be there, and so on. Instead you see us going out and just ambling about without much of a clue to going about our business, which leads me to believe we haven't got a plan. Which leads me back to the coaching and preparation and tactical detail. If I think that is lacking I will always criticise that, whether a manager has been in charge three months or three decades. This is the absolute top level of the game, they're paid millions, and simple stuff like this should be meat and drink to them.
Great post. Every game you hear it from the ex-player commentating: our forwards never look to get in behind, and we never play it there. Madness, especially given Mourinho is setting us up to be defensive and play on the break.
 

Kiedis

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  1. For all these accusations of hoofball, I don’t recall one goal under Jose scored by lumping it to a centre forward to knock down for someone else to score.
  2. The goal that gave many of us fans born in the 80s onwards our single greatest moment as Spurs fans, the winner v Ajax, was the result of actual hoofball.

For me, it's more about how we look to enter the final third. That we play lofted passes over the midfield towards isolated strikers wrestling with one or two CBs and/or playing long balls into the channels. It's generally not very effective, and while it can be argued that it reduces the risk of giving the ball away in our half, it's basically a full proof way of giving the ball away in the opponents half.

The way we look now, we're very easily pressed, and very easily go for a long pass. And I don't really know if Mourinho is capable of coaching us into a team that controls the game with the ball in an era where even the poorer teams are decent at pressing.
 

Wheeler Dealer

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the reason for the moaning is that we, Poch and every neutral pundit out there had been urging investment in the squad while Poch had us flying!
And yet, for eg, as the entire engine room succumbed to injury and illness (Wanyama, Dembele, Dier), Levy farked around.

Baffled at the support baldy gets.

Anyway, Poch is gone. And Jose is going to go medieval this summer if baldy doesn't get some of the dross out and real quality in.

He isn't going to linger around trying to patch this group up if he does not get exactly what he wants.
Mourinho will linger like a stale fart as his ego and £15m a year will prevent him from jumping ship
 

Gassin's finest

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16) Mourinho’s away record against the Big Six since January 2015 now reads: P19 W2 D6 L11 F16 A34. That is utterly dreadful, no matter the circumstances.

There is no denying that the absences of Kane and Heung-min Son make his job harder. The loss of one is damaging but the lack of both is entirely transformative. Tottenham simply cannot play the same way.

But Christ, this is one of the three highest-paid managers in world football. It should be a source of embarrassment to Mourinho that he cannot establish a coherent plan with the talent he has at his disposal. Kane and Son are brilliant but Bergwijn, Lucas, Lo Celso and Ndombele are hardly without merit. They have excelled elsewhere but are being completely stymied by a style that suits no-one.

It harms a midfield that has no-one to pass to. It puts undue pressure on a defence with component parts that are already on a downward spiral. It asks the forwards to create something out of less than nothing. It relies so heavily upon fortune and the opposition not turning up that when they do it is exposed.

When so many managers accept and embrace the challenge of trying something new, of adapting in difficult conditions and devising different ideas, Mourinho complains. He has been handcuffed but there is an assortment of keys in front of him. Sometimes it feels like he’d rather swallow them all than check which, if any, might actually work.
 

spursfan77

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Ahhh I said I didn't want to do it but seen as Poch's comparisons are going on I'll do it.

August

Started with a 1-0 win over West Ham. Not a great performance but was a very satisfying win to start with. Followed by a hammering of a very weak QPR (4-0). But then got completely exposed with the high press by Liverpool at home, losing 3-0.

Very mixed start but you could see we were miles away from the Poch team that was to come. Many many flaws in the team.

September

Next up, a travel up north to play an awful Sunderland side that ended in a 2-2 draw. Again a very indifferent performance, very similar to the AVB era. We then got embarrassed at home, losing 0-1 to WBA, before we managed to scrape a draw at Arsenal.

6 points from 6 games so far, not a lot to be excited about, still, early days. Although I do recall many saying the club screwed up getting Poch when bigger coaches were available.

October

Started with a decent 1-0 win against Southampton - although I don't really recall this game or performance. However, it's important to note that Poch was mixing up his starting 11 game by game. Players like Kane and Dembele still on the bench, Chiriches in and out of the team.

Then consequently got hammered 4-1 by City.....and then beaten 2-1 at home by Newcastle.

9 points from 9 games and not looking great at all! This is around about the time the cries for Kane to start started.

November

Next came that famous Villa game with Kane scoring the late winner but the performance was still largely poor and once again it was real concerning to see us plug away and look lacklustre and out of ideas.

The strange thing is that so many people refer this to Poch's turning point. Well, we lost 2-1 at home to Stoke and I think this may have been the real turning point in terms of certain players no longer being trusted (Kaboul, Adebayor, Capoue). Back to back wins for the first time vs Hull and Everton gave us some hope again.

18 points from 13. Poch's best month yet with 3 wins.

December

Started with a 3-0 spanking vs Mourinho's Chelsea, however the performance was quite promising. Drew with Palace in a pretty drab affair but then beat Swansea, Burnley and Leicester all 2-1 as we started to find momemtum. The performances were hardly stellar, but little signs were there. Lamela was impressing, Kane was scoring and Dembele was finding his way.

We drew 0-0 with United to finish the year with 29 points from 19 games. So very similar to this season.

January

Incredible 5-3 win vs Chelsea to start the year. The attack started to form but we still had issues as we were humbled by Crystal Palace 2-1. Scraped a 2-1 win vs Sunderland but got k'od in the FA Cup vs Leicester. Made damn hard work of beating a tier 3 Sheffield United to reach the final of the League Cup. Finished by beating WBA 3-0, first real accomplished performance since Poch walked in the door.

So 38 points from 23 games and whilst there was certainly improvements, Poch was still having difficulty overcoming dogged teams and the team were still capable of a bad defeat. But this month Poch had started to really define his team - 6 months after first starting with them.

February

Beat Arsenal with a great display but lost a silly game against Liverpool 3-2 to show many weaknesses defensively. Very lucky to draw 2-2 with West Ham after being 2 down and playing awfully. Also got knocked out of the Europa by an average Fiorentina.

42 points from 26 games and still a long way from looking like a consistent team. There was still a lot of doubts about Poch and the team and most of the focus was on how special Kane was and how lucky we were to have got him. Although there were some promising signs. But we'd all been here before.

March

Got schooled in the league cup final by Jose. But beat Swansea and QPR to keep the optimism rolling. Although a 3-0 hammering by Van Gaals United had many wondering if we'd picked the wrong coach. We finished the month with an uncomfortable 4-3 win vs Leicester at home. Still, 3 wins out of 4.

51 points from 30 games and most were wondering if we could sneak top 4 in spite of our inability to avoid a poor defeat every 3 or 4 games.

April

Put in a horrible performance to draw 0-0 with Burnley (Paulinho game) and got humiliated against an awful 10-men Villa team, losing 1-0 at home. Beat Newcastle 3-1 and drew 2-2 against Southampton. 5 points from 4 games amidst some pretty abject performances.

56 points from 34 games and still not sure what to think of Pochettino's Tottenham. Could look very decent and intense one moment, the next completely bereft of ideas and toothless.

May

Final month of the season with still a slight chance of CL qualification. But that proved to be more hope as we lost 1-0 to City without putting a mark on them and then got humiliated losing 3-0 vs Stoke - of all teams. Finished the season beating Hull and Everton to secure Europa, although the team were pretty much coasting by that point.

64 points and 5th place finish. We were close but never really close enough to CL qualification and other than a good bit of form from late December to February, the team were far from looking special.

The odd stellar performance every now and again but it was a very tough watch most of the season. A lot of wins by one goal, showed that the team were just scraping by and finding each game a slog. Poch was identifying the foundations and still understanding his best 11, right up until the summer of 2015. Trying to get the team to buy into the press and identify those who were incapable.

In fact, this followed on into the next season. We lost to United, drew with Stoke, Leicester and Everton squeezed past Sunderland in the first two months. All far from convincing, looking quite toothless all the while. Some time after it all clicked and we became the monster team we all loved.

The point I'm making is that it took a hell of a long time for Poch to really work his magic and the first 14 months or so were pretty rocky, good performance, average performance then poor performance. Different 11 week in week out. It was really hard to see the direction we were headed but because Poch was given time he was able to really imprint his style onto the team and get everyone on board.

Jose needs similar time and trust. I see some similarities, average performances, some good results, some bad results, certain players looking finished, some lacking form and belief. We just need to be very patient.

Great post. I remember in those first months comparing Poch to Gross. All based around fitness and no identity or tactics. That obviously changed, I wasn’t convinced by him but wanted to give him the length of his contract to try and turn things round because I was bored of changing manager every five minutes. That’s the crux of it, giving a manager time, especially when a squad needs sorting out. It’s impossible to judge Mourinho on 3 months. It’s as ridiculous as comparing Poch to Gross now with hindsight.

The only difference is that I don’t expect Mourinho to be with us years, I expect Levy will appoint the next bright new thing within the next 24 months. Mourinho might even see it like that. But what I don’t want is us to return to a time where the manager has so much power in the transfer market like Poch did. We need a sporting director to give the players to a manager. Levy likes that method and I expect we will return to that in the same period of time.
 

dudu

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Lovely set of mids comfortable on the ball really. Good to great technique all of them.
I understand not scoring but this cowardly all out defence direct to moura stuff is hurtful

The problem was, GLC, Winks and Ndombele were all awful with the ball on Saturday in the first half. What do you do then?
 
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For me, it's more about how we look to enter the final third. That we play lofted passes over the midfield towards isolated strikers wrestling with one or two CBs and/or playing long balls into the channels. It's generally not very effective, and while it can be argued that it reduces the risk of giving the ball away in our half, it's basically a full proof way of giving the ball away in the opponents half.

The way we look now, we're very easily pressed, and very easily go for a long pass. And I don't really know if Mourinho is capable of coaching us into a team that controls the game with the ball in an era where even the poorer teams are decent at pressing.
Everton against Arsenal yesterday, time and again the Arsenal press was beaten by a player with a pass around the corner followed by a ball wide into either channel - 3-4 - passes maximum and continually turned Arsenal around.

Personnel groups are similar to what Jose will have at his disposal once people are fit. Pretty clear what he wants to do for me. It even showed in some of the games where everyone has been banging on about 'hoof ball' but because five people think we play it all the time and people on television with a large screen and cordless pencil have the ability to highlight what they want to highlight to prove their own agenda ... Well, people will lap it up and believe it.

I love football, I also love hot takes.
 

DanielJohnCosta

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people on here crying about criticism of Mourinho yet are ready to sack Ndombele after he's made only a handful of starts for the club :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 

nipponyid

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But what I don’t want is us to return to a time where the manager has so much power in the transfer market like Poch did.

Did he? I thought that was one of his gripes that he didn't have any power to bring in who he wanted and when...That was done by our dear Levy.

I remeber him saying - "Maybe the club need to change my title and description. My job now is to coach the team. Of course I am the boss deciding the strategy to play, training, in my area, but in another area I don't know. Today, I feel like I am the coach."
 
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